Rizana Nafeek Killed In Saudi Arabia

Rizana Letter

Letter from Ms. Nafeek’s father to her employer, via the Save Rizana Nafeek.


Rizana Nafeek was just killed by the Saudi government, executed if you want to put an imprint of justice on it. It’s not just. A child died in her care when she was working there at age 17, which was tragic. Saudi Arabia, however, has no real justice system, certainly not for foreigners. Based on a coerced confession (which she retracted) and despite the fact that she was a juvenile, the Saudi government has just executed her.

Was Ms. Nafeek responsible for the death of the child? We can’t tell, because the Saudi system is not just. She had no access to lawyers and likely no ability to even follow the language at her sham trial. It’s a messed up country (government wise) where foreign workers are treated like slaves and non-royal family aren’t treated that well either. That so many Sri Lankans have to work there because they’re sitting on a bunch of oil is a human tragedy for everyone involved.

Sri Lankan workers have come back from the Middle East beaten, raped, shot full of nails, and now in coffins. They work because they have to, but one only wishes for more civilized behavior from governments like Saudi Arabia.

One also wishes that newspapers had something more than that grimy photocopied photo of Ms. Nafeek. She died today, aged 24. She was from Muthur, Trincomallee.

The Asian Tribune has a chronology of her case. Amnesty International has a breakdown of why it was a miscarriage of justice. You can also read the letter her father wrote to the employer that wouldn’t seek to pardon her. His prayers for mercy went unanswered. May she rest in peace.

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2013-01-09 17:13:29

RT @indica: Rizana Nafeek Killed In Saudi Arabia: tragedy and a shame http://t.co/4JmIMS8w

Nalliah Thayabharan
2013-01-28 07:11:22

Rizana Nafeek’s dad had a bull cart which he used to bring firewood from the forest, to feed his family.

LTTE confiscated his cart in the forest asked him to pay a hefty TAX to release the cart. He sold his wife’s only gold chain to pay the TAX to retrieve his cart.

Three days later while collecting firewood, for their own use LTTE permanently confiscated his cart along with the bulls.
Because this within two months Rizana quit her school and left for Saudi Wahhabia at the age of 17.

SO WHO CAUSED RIZANA”S DEATH?

 
 
tastyjujubes
2013-01-09 17:14:52

The beauty of Sharia law in action. I wonder what many of the commentators within the Sri Lankan Muslim community will say about this.

Great Sri Lankan Sinhalese
2013-01-09 19:50:33

Not Sharia its Shrinking and Bogus Law to trap people in the name of Allah and rob the money and earn black money without paying taxes to the Governments in the World.

Babarians of Sharia Law has nothing inside their white Maxi Frocks but Nudism.. The heartless bull shitters have killed innocent kids, women, fathers, mothers of their own religion to avoid the world know the truth of Bogus Islamic Activities….

Sharia Law was made up of copying other religeons’ Bibles, statements and did not have a day to declare, except for Friday 12:30 Noon to 2pm….

Let the Curse of all Gods reach to their land and make it back to dust for imprisonment, not allowing lawyers and Transalators to talk on behalf Rizana’s Innocense, and not conducting Post-Mortem on dead child. The World End Should start from the same place where Rizana was beheaded and then to each and every person who were engaged in Supporting Sri Lanka’s Lovely and Mostly Loved Muslim Teenager who was ready to sacrifice her life to send money to her Family after TSUNAMI Disaster.

So, the World’s Most ruthless TSUNAMI SHARIA killed another Innocent Girl…. From now on Muslims will loose faith and give up the religion to believe other religeons to protect their Rights, Freedom to Dress and Speak, Freedom for Women and Children, to escape from a Prisoner Religeon…

JAYA WEVA and may Rizana Rest in Peace and reborn again in Sri Lanka to a Non-Muslim Family to fight and strike back…

Sage2
2013-01-10 09:35:47

So, the World’s Most ruthless TSUNAMI SHARIA killed another Innocent Girl…. From now on Muslims will loose faith and give up the religion to believe other religeons to protect their Rights, Freedom to Dress and Speak, Freedom for Women and Children, to escape from a Prisoner Religeon… Your words.

It is obvious you are trying hard to insult an entire religion and its 16 billion people for what a backward country with primitive laws are doing. There are many Muslims who will condemn this execution especially in Sri Lanka. Just like we do not condemn ALL Jews for what Israel does, including killing children in neighboring countries, and just like we do not condemn ALL Christians for what their government does attacking Muslims nations with claims of WMDs that did not exist, we have to stop the branding of any religion for what the KSA is doing and its extreme laws. Muslims will not lose faith over this, but hopefully they will be able to differentiate between mainstream Islam and Wahabism. There is plenty of anti Islamic elements around the world trying hard to turn people of other religions against Muslims, and take negative events like this to attack the entire religion, for their evil agendas.

SHALOM, and may Rizana rest in peace and may people of ALL faiths realize that NO religion should be judged by what a minority do.

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Sage2
2013-01-10 09:51:47

Make that 1.6 billion Muslims.

 
 
HUSSAIN
2013-01-12 02:50:24

first you learn about your religion. Then you talk about the Islam. What do you know about Islam and Islamic Shariah. I am a Muslim too. I believe in Allah and his Messenger and Islam Shariah. What was have to happened, it happened. Allah has written the Rizana Nafeek will die in Saudi Arabia, on this date, at this time, she died. She was born in Sri Lanka. She died in Saudi. That was the fate. I am not supporting to Saudis. but I am telling the truth. they executed, because of her Passport showed that she was 23 when she was arrested. According to the Passport her age was 23. so they charged her for death sentence. We cant blame the Saudis for this. Because, Saudis have beheaded so many people, including Saudi Nationals.

Totally this responsibility must taken by the Sri Lankan Authorities. Because the Sri Lankan Passport Authorities have issued this passport by changing her date of birth by taking money (Bribe). After this incident happened only the Sri Lankan government talking about the Age of the victim. Before sending someone to another country they must check their passports properly. They didn’t do that. Because in Sri Lanka, if you want to go Illegally anywhere in the world, just you have to BRIBE the Immigration officers. They will help you.

What did you say? Islamic shariah is barbarian. This is a great Shariah, where it came from the GOD to the Prophet. Nobody copied from the Bible. Actually we dont know how the baby died. I also thinking Rizana didn’t kill the child. But what to do her fate was like that. We no one knows how we will die.

Now lets talk about your BUDDHA. What do you know about your BUDDHA? He was just a man only. He is not a GOD. He was a simple man. He himself told to people don’t worship IDOLS. But what Buddhist people are doing now. Worshiping Buddha’s statues. is this Buddha told you all to do?

Check your Buddhist ancient scriptures. It clearly mentioned about our Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and Buddha said, a Maithri Buddha will come in a Desert country and he will bring a new religion and new laws. That time you have to follow that religion and laws. This is the truth. Don’t blame or insult any Sharia of Islam. Because of this Sharia only crimes are very little in the Middle East. We need Sharia of Islam to every countries in the world. One again my dear SINHALA Brothers, don’t think that our Muslim brothers and sisters will leave the religion of Islam. Never ever. Allah will save them. So please don’t insult my religion Islam and Sharia.

FIRST TELL TO YOUR COUNTRY AUTHORITIES NOT ISSUE PASSPORTS LIKE RIZANA NAFEEK’S BY TAKING BRIBE. FIRST TELL YOUR POLICE TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST THIS PEOPLE AND AFTER THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY PROOF YOU SHOW TO THE WORLD THIS SHARIAH IS RIGHT OR WRONG.

HUSSAIN.

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realist
2013-01-12 05:20:32

allah should have just prevented the kid from choking if he is all powerful. Or did he enjoy taking an innocent life?

 
 
Sri Lankan
2013-01-12 12:02:17

Then what do called the killings of innocent muslims that took place in Myanmar by budhist monks??? is this what Lord Buddhah tought about Budhism??? is this what the Budhist learnt from Lord Buddhah???? as far as i know Lord Buddhah is a person who tought people how to be patient. Mind you that people who are living in this world has same feeling and desire although they are seperated from religion. Do not talk rubbish without knowing the fact and just for the sake of you having a mouth.

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sanchez
2013-01-09 22:15:50

Im surprised the trial took even this long, had it been a person from another religion she would have been executed immediately.

 
 
2013-01-09 17:15:34

RT @indica: Rizana Nafeek Killed In Saudi Arabia: tragedy and a shame http://t.co/4JmIMS8w

 
Taboo
2013-01-09 17:41:52

It’s Saudi, she’s a Muslim, this (or any govt for that matter) wouldn’t lose any sleep over her murder

 
Taboo
2013-01-09 17:43:07

@tastyjujubes. You mean their bastardized version of it.

tastyjujubes
2013-01-09 18:11:29

No I mean Sharia law, the law that various Sri Lankan Muslim groups are clamouring to institutionalize in Sri Lanka.

I wonder how the poor girl was executed – flogged to death, stoned to death.. or..?

LOL!!
2013-01-09 19:11:31

For starters, Sharia law doesn’t recognize a monarchy. One may or may not agree with Sharia law but this is certainly relates to the Saudi legal system.

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sack
2013-01-09 18:22:44

This may sound bad but this wasn’t a really big surprise. It is very unlikely that a foreigner who caused the death of a Saudi citizen(baby in this case) will be allowed to walk.
And in the present context, there is hardly anyone outside Saudi who can do about this (including this case and those ‘unjust’ laws).

 
tastyjujubes
2013-01-09 18:23:03

Came across this:

“She was beheaded in the Dawadmi province near the capital Riyadh.”

http://bit.ly/Wt3YvG

Sickening.

 
sack
2013-01-09 18:36:31

@Taboo: Any place where there is a un-bastardized version of the sharia law?

 
tastyjujubes
2013-01-09 19:30:33

Stoning people to death, beheading them, flogging them, cutting off their hands is no laughing matter.

Neither are stories like this:

90-year-old Saudi man buys underage girl for marriage

http://bit.ly/Sg74YQ

tastyjujubes
2013-01-09 19:31:18

in reply to “LOL!!”

 
Sage2
2013-01-10 11:55:34

It is interesting that you keep linking to various articles showing isolated negative incidents, that give you the opportunity to demonize the entire religion, which many sensible people know is not what the majority of peaceful Muslims follow. There are such incidents of child bride marriages in remote places in many countries, including the most advanced, powerful, so called civilized country, like the US:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/09/warren-jeffs-jailed-life-sentence

Some religions like Judaism have had their share of children being married as young as 12 1/2:

In Ashkenazi communities in the Middle Ages, girls were married off very young(12 1/2) because then they would be able to have children in the Jewish community.[80] Some of the rabbis in the Talmud were in favor of having boys marry as soon as they reached the age of majority ( before 20).[6] Those unwilling to marry after the age of twenty were considered cursed by God.[81 – Wikipedia

I have given you two example of the past and the present.

I suggest you do not keep painting an entire religion with such negative comments, when other religions, nations, and people have minorities practicing what I call uncivilized practices.

The unfortunate death of this young child is reprehensible, and it is time Saudi Arabia (who gets US support) came out from the dark ages, and joined the rest of the world, instead of receding into further darkness.

2013-01-11 11:17:06

Laws should not be based on belief systems, whether they be Buddhist, Hindu, Islamic, Christian or whatever. Interpreting the language of a thousand years ago is not easy and to take what is said literally is foolish.

Practices that were common or accepted a few centuries ago may not necessarily be acceptable today. Slavery and child labour may have been acceptable in 1800, they are no longer acceptable in 2013.

Those who campaign for religious laws, including the religious lunatics in the US, will only take their countries backwards.

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tastyjujubes
2013-01-09 20:37:01

Sharia is not shrinking. Several Sri Lankan Muslim groups are quite vociferous about having it implemented in Sri Lanka. We already have Qazi courts. And girls are already being beaten for “watching porn”:

“A group of men had allegedly beaten up the 17-year-olds after they came out of an internet cafe in the Muslim dominated town of Kattankudi, near Batticaloa, the BBC reports”
http://bit.ly/lLrA5M

What is the Arabic word to use here? “Astaghfirullah!” or “Mashallah!” or “Inshallah!” ?

tastyjujubes
2013-01-09 20:37:38

in reply to “Great Sri Lankan Sinhalese”

 
STUDENT OF HISTORY
2013-01-09 21:07:00

LEAVE SHARIAH TO THE MUSLIMS. IN THIS COUNTRY IT CANNOT BE APPLIED. DONT. WORRY. CARRY ON WITH
PORN, MONKS RAPING GIRLS AND ABUSING THE SMALL MONKS. JUST KEEP CHEWWING JUJUBES

tastyjujubes
2013-01-09 21:59:26

And what exactly did Prophet Muhammad do with Aisha? Hmmm.

Sharia law has already crept into Sri Lanka’s judicial system. And there are Muslim groups in the island who are pushing for it to be implemented in full.

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STUDENT OF HISTORY
2013-01-09 21:01:57

WELL ALL ATTEMPTS AT SAVING THIS GIRL FAILED. IT WAS JUST THAT ALL EFFORTS WERE NOT TO SAVE THIS GIRL BUT GAIN POLITICAL MILEAGE.

JUST IMAGINE PRES. MAHINDA RAJAPAKSE, PLEADING FOR CLEMENCY FROM THE KING OF SAUDI ARABIA,WHEN BACK HOME, HE AND HIS GOVERNMENT ARE REJECTING THE JUDGEMENT OR VERDICT OF HIS SUPREME COURTS.
IS THIS NOT DOUBLE STANDARDS.IF BY CHANCE THE GIRL WAS REPRIEVED.OUR “KING” WOULD HAVE BEEN SHOUTING FROM ROOF TOPS ABOUT WHAT HE HAS DONE AND THAT HE SHOULD BE LIFE PRESIDENT.
TO ME THIS IS AN ACT OF GOD TO TEACH RAJAPAKSE TO ACCEPT COURT RULINGS.
WHATEVER ONE MAY SAY OF SHARIA,THIS GIRL IS SAID TO HAVE CONFESSED, SO THE LAW HAS BEEN APPLIED.
IN SHARIAH THE RULER CANNOT GRANT PARDON,WHEN INDIVIDUALS RIGHTS ARE VIOLATED

I AM SORRY ABOUT THIS GIRL.OUR GOVERNMENT HAS TO TAKE THE BLAME FOR SENDING UNDERAGE GIRLS,WITHOUT PROPER TRAINING.FURTHER THE FAILURE OF OUR EMBASSY AND THE CONSTANT INTERFERENCE BY OUR POLITICIANS IN THIS MATTER WAS THE CAUSE.

COMING BACK HOME WHAT HAS “THE PREZ’” TO SAY OF THE SHIT ON OUR THRESHOLD-MERVYN AND DUMINDA?

tastyjujubes
2013-01-09 22:01:01

Of course, blaming Saudi Arabia’s judicial system – which is based on Islamic law, would be wrong wouldn’t it? That would be a big no no.

 
 
Polo
2013-01-09 22:02:16

It seems people like “tastyjujubes” and the western media are partying tonight on the execution of Rizana as they got an perfect opportunity to spread the hatred.
Anyway, my questions are: why the Saudi Royal Family ignored worldwide requests? Isn’t this execution shameful to Saudi Arabia. Isn’t this another evidence to prove the so called American Puppet regime does not care about the country or its people? When will the people of Saudi Arabia succeed to topple the Kings’ Government and bring the real Islam and democracy to their country like in Egypt and Turkey?

tastyjujubes
2013-01-09 22:16:11

That’s it, blame the “American puppet regime” for the brutality that is perpetrated in Saudi Arabia under Sharia Law.

Let’s see what is happening under another “Amerian puppet regime” – The Islamic Republic of Iran…. oh wait…..

Four Iranian women stoned to death
http://exm.nr/PCY3Xo

Polo
2013-01-10 13:43:28

Lets take the Responsibility…

Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) categorically state, that the singular responsibility for this innocent young Sri Lankan woman’s death is upon the President of Sri Lanka. His office and the government led by him neglected the life of this innocent Sri Lankan woman, who remained incarcerated aboard since May 2005.

From the day on which Rizana was arrested on a false charge of murder to the day of her execution, seven years elapsed. During this time, if proper diplomatic effort was made with the required seriousness, the life of this young girl could have been saved.

During these five years, the only way of saving her life was through effective negotiation with the family of the deceased infant. The government of Sri Lanka failed to achieve this negotiation. All kinds of gestures were done; Ministers travelled up and down from time to time. However, they failed to establish direct contact with the family and to deal with the issue. If they had in fact succeeded in making contact, they could have either made arrangements to pay the blood money or otherwise obtained mercy from the family.

The establishment of this contact would have required consistent efforts on the ground, given the cultural and language problems that exist. It was only through diplomacy on the ground by diplomats based in Saudi Arabia that this could have been done. However, the nature of the foreign ministry work under the present Sri Lankan system of administration means that consistently following up and monitoring does not happen and there is no one to be held responsible for carrying out such a mission.

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2013-01-10 17:51:02

Idiotic as Jujub’s comments are, claiming that the GoSL is solely to blame is even dumber. The singular responsibility lies with the Saudi judicial system. The GoSL may be faulted for not having done enough to secure the girl’s release, but that’s about it.

 
 
 
 
such
2013-01-10 00:02:45

You muslim guys are too much. lol. Relax with all this killing, stoning, fatwas etc in the name of Allah, brothers. Stop locking your women up at home and making them wear Burqas. Enjoy life guys. Stop all this hating and madness will ya and come have a drink with me next time you are at the Kama club and lets chase some skirt. You know you want to.

 
EL_PAIS
2013-01-10 04:09:58

Dear STUDENT OF HISTORY, do you have any comments on the following?

Pedophilia is permitted in the Qur’an, was practiced by Prophet Muhammad and his companions, and some Muslims today continue to commit the crime, following their prophet’s example.

http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Pedophilia

 
M P
2013-01-10 07:41:48

Shame of allah….

 
Sage2
2013-01-10 11:51:01

It is interesting that you keep linking to various articles showing isolated negative incidents, that give you the opportunity to demonize the entire religion, which many sensible people know is not what the majority of peaceful Muslims follow. There are such incidents of child bride marriages in remote places in many countries, including the most advanced, powerful, so called civilized country, like the US:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/09/warren-jeffs-jailed-life-sentence

Some religions like Judaism have had their share of children being married as young as 12 1/2:

In Ashkenazi communities in the Middle Ages, girls were married off very young(12 1/2) because then they would be able to have children in the Jewish community.[80] Some of the rabbis in the Talmud were in favor of having boys marry as soon as they reached the age of majority ( before 20).[6] Those unwilling to marry after the age of twenty were considered cursed by God.[81 – Wikipedia

I have given you two example of the past and the present.

I suggest you do not keep painting an entire religion with such negative comments, when other religions, nations, and people have minorities practicing what I call uncivilized practices.

The unfortunate death of this young child is reprehensible, and it is time Saudi Arabia (who gets US support) stopped the primitive sentences, and cruel injustice, and joined the rest of the modern civilized world.

Meacham
2013-01-10 17:39:38

the difference is that in the US, paedophilia is a criminal act and abhorred by the general population. whereas, the founder of Islam – the prophet Muhammad himself – had sexual relations with a 9 year old girl. This is not something that can be easily brushed under the carpet. It has never been “ok” for a ~ 50 year old man to marry a 9 year old girl (I wonder why muslims do not “follow the example of the prophet” and give their 9 year old girls in marriage to 50 year old men – it’s because they know it is wrong and absolutely unjustifiable). In a religion where women as regarded as chattel (Muhammad himself had 11 – 13 wives) it’s not surprising that we have such cases of brutality. For heaven’s sake, women still aren’t even allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia.

 
 
Dinuka
2013-01-10 14:04:56

A girl died because she was underage and sent abroad to work (safe to assume she didn’t have the proper training, mental capacity, etc. to carry on these responsibilities). Why don’t we have laws in this island to safe guard our citizens both locally and abroad?
Maybe it’s because our public servants and successive governments don’t give a rats ass about us?
We can blame every Tom,Dick and Harry in the world but in true Sri Lankan style no one from home wants to take responsibility.
This is something I’ve seen time and time again, at work, at home, at school in the governments- people make mistakes/do something wrong but don’t want to deal with the consequences.
Maybe that’s why sinhala radio stations love playing Shaggy’s “It wasn’t me” so much (constantly hear this when travelling in buses).
Ever ready to pass the buck, this is why this nation will always remain a shit hole. Oh and tastyjujubes you’re a right royal bumlicker- pity this girl is dead and you’re still alive.

Fathima
2013-01-10 14:50:50

lol. Tastyjujubes seems in fact very bitter

 
tastyjujubes
2013-01-13 19:52:11

Why should anyone in Sri Lanka take responsibility for the barbaric nature of Sharia law? The job agent who sent Rizana abroad was, also, a Muslim by the name of Badurdeen according to DBS Jeyaraj.

 
 
Fathima
2013-01-10 14:43:38

it was sad to hear about Rizana. D hatred being thrown at Muslims as a whole for d cruelty of a minority, from Sinhalese racists is just adding insult to injury. If Rizana was innocent we too feel for her. In fact she is a Muslim sister too. (and Thank God for that, if this was Sumana or Kusum and not Rizana Nafeek, the monks would have lifted their siwura and danced and d racists would have tortured us even more although we are blatantly against this verdict!)From d beginning things happening in Rizana’s case have been UnISLAMIC and yet Islam is blamed.
1. Islam wouldn’t encourage a young Muslim girl to travel alone seeking foreign employment.
2. Islam encourages a woman to breastfeed a baby for 2 years. Maybe the baby’s mother had some problem in feeding thats her personal matter but she is to blame for giving such a small infant in the hands of a irresponsible and inexperienced young girl (unless the girl pretended to have previous experience in looking after babies). Who will leave a 4 month old infant alone in a new maid’s hands?? Stupid mother..
3. If this was an accidental death,Islam or Shariah wouldn’t support her execution. When a thing is committed unintentionally we are required to forgive in any matter. Where did the mercy go in this judgment? Why then are Muslims as a whole blamed for it?
I read somewhere a woman asked not to buy any thing from shops owned by this religion. Seriously? That is RACISM at its peak. Some Sinhalese seem to be getting bored after they finished off the war with the Tamils. Now they r trying to pull the Muslims for entertainment. Everyday i come across sarcasm n hatred from these Muslim-haters on facebook pages,etc. But i need to mention there are a lot more Sinhalese who r genuinely loving to all. Just like there r cruel Saudis who act without compassion, there are goodhearted Sinhalese who see no difference among us. I have Buddhist friends who want to co exist peacefully in a multi ethnic society. They do not strive to cause problems. So i guess in every community u get d good n d bad. Don’t judge by a few. So to all Muslims reading this please don’t insult all followers of their religion in the way same way they attack ours. Remember ur akhlaq- be respectful. Ur answerable to Allah one day. I see on some pages Muslims posting filth in reply to racists. What’s d difference between u n them then??
My final humble request, since d topic of burqa was mentioned somewhere above, is please don’t force us to not wear d face cover. We wear it with contentment for our own protection. So far i have not come across anyone in my family who has been forced to wear it. I don’t know why people say it is a Wahabi influence. Honestly i don’t know who a Wahabi is :/ (ok i’ll google it right after posting this) but we wear d face cover with our own free will not cos we are forced as u may think but bcos a Quran ayat asks us to cover ourselves and we actually find comfort in it. So please leave our poor husbands alone. They struggle enough for our sake cos most of us don’t go to work its upto our men to earn for us. Alhamdulillah as far as i know we women are lucky n thankful to be looked after so well. So thanks for ur concern but we are happy d way we r although u may not like to believe it :)

2013-01-10 16:00:01

Fathima,

Didn’t Allah create Sinhala racists? So you should blame him for them.

 
such
2013-01-10 17:45:05

lol. Lady you need to wake up and face reality. Your life is not as great as you may think. Obviously muslim men are exploiting you because you know no better. For instance you are ‘figuratively locked indoors, for the most part not allowed to be educated (if you don’t agree with this why is it that many muslim boys are sent to private schools and only a rare few girls?) or allowed to work for fear of you becoming financially independent. Coerced to cover up when the same rule doesn’t apply to the men who frequent night clubs, drink and chase non muslim skirt until its time to get married and settle down with a good virgin muslim girl (you). How often do you see a muslim girl with a non muslim guy? Never? Why the double standards? Also my particular peev, why the hell wont you do business with us. You sell all sorts of shit to us but rarely do you buy anything from a non muslims? What’s with that?

Meacham
2013-01-10 18:05:34

Sri lankan Muslim boys for all their moral preaching are chasing sinhalese and tamil girls, drinking alcohol on the sly and even tucking into pork. Yet still preaching about Islam to others as if it is the most superior religion in the world. Come Ramadan they metamorphose into super-religious folks, even trying to grow a beard. Muslim girls pretend to be virtuous in a burqa but are so far from it is not funny. There are many Srilankan Muslim girls who do not wear the burqa yet have a far better character. Wearing a piece of cloth on your head or having an unshaved face is no indication of one’s character and integrity.

“You sell all sorts of shit to us but rarely do you buy anything from a non muslims? What’s with that?”

In islam, Muslims are given a higher position than everyone else. non-muslims are dhimmis. priority is given to muslims above everyone else. loyalty is to other muslims, even foreigners, over fellow sri lankans. Land is sold only to other muslims. they buy preferentially from muslims. jobs preferentially given to muslims. that is why when Rauf Hakeem ran the ports he filled all the vacancies and jobs with Muslims. Now that he is minister of justice he is doing the same in that department. Yet it is the sinhalese who are “racist.”

Now all the shops and restaurants have to be ‘halal’ as well, and the certificate must be there with money being paid to a muslim organisation. It’s ‘racist’ to stand up against this apparently.

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Meacham
2013-01-10 17:56:14

Sharanga is spot on. according to Islam everything is due to Allah’s will (one of the pillars of islam). So instead of wailing, why not accept it? saudi arabia is run according to sharia law, so that is ISLAMIC whether you want to accept it or not. infact, many Srilankan Muslims proclaim Saudi Arabia to the truest follower of Islam in the Muslim world. When people question why other rleigions are not allowed there they proudly proclaim that it is an Islamic country and holy to Muslims so no other religions are allowed.

this is a good lesson for sri lankan muslims who idolise the arabs and try and follow everything they do. your arab masters do not regard you as equals just because you happen to be muslim. to them you are nothing but a dark skinned servant from a third world country. the excution of rizana, in a bizarre way is slap in the face of Muslim extremists in sri lanka who were justifying the cruelties metered out to sinhalese and tamil maids, now one of their own daughters has met her fate at the hands of the arabs and they are stuck for words.

you speak about mercy.. learn about sharia law, it is anything but merciful – just like a god who will throw people to burn in hell for eternity without the bat of an eyelid.

You speak about racism, aren’t you the people who are running boycott campaigns of shops that do not sell halal foods or refuse to have the halal certificate in Sri Lanka? Aren’t you the people who are running a boycott campaign of Israel and the Jewish people even though it is highly likely you have never met a jewish person in your life? What does the Quran and Allah say about the Jewish people?

“O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends: They are but friends to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.”

Isn’t that RACISM and RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY at its peak? This is what is taught in your own holy book.

Look inside your own community, there is more than enough hatred towards non-Muslims. Your religion has the worst reputation around the world and yet you continue to blame others. Even in Sri Lanka Muslims are busy attacking and harassing other sects. Sunnis are slaughtering Shias on a daily basis in places like Pakistan and yet people like you are silent. Attacks on Buddhists in Thailand and Bangladesh go unabated. Christians are bombed, killed and slaughtered in places like Nigeria. And yet people like you are silent.

Growing a beard or wearing a burqa and praying five times a day does not make you a nice or moral person.

 
Fathima
2013-01-11 12:43:59

i take back the part about the monks :( sorry that sounds racist. i was getting fed up of seeing people pick on the whole Muslim community. but it was wrong for me to comment about the monks, yes there r a few who create havoc n pull up fights like the ones in the Dambulla mosque incident, but sorry if i offended anyone.

 
sach
2013-01-11 13:41:27

Btwn i too thought had the victim was a non muslim like a buddhist, we would face a crisis given the nature of racists here.

After all one thing i have noted is most muslim men do agree with this punishment saying the gal did commit murder. Even if she did commit murder i would find that punishment horrendous. Anyway dont mind the racists that much. we have too many for a small country.

 
tastyjujubes
2013-01-14 19:19:56

Yes, you should google Wahabis (also spelt Wahhabi) and Wahabism. It is a type of Islam that is becoming more prevelant in Sri Lanka. It’s actually interesting that you do not know about Wahabism, but perhaps you are feigning ignorance as part of your strategy. It’s also silly for you to pretend that your experience is the same for other Muslim women. Clearly women who wear hijabs and burqas and whatnot are considered by many Muslims to be “superior” in character and morals that women who don’t. So it indeed creates a pressure, a coercive force if you will, that pushes women to wear these items of clothing lest they be considered immoral by Muslim society.

Fathima
2013-02-28 15:35:23

lol. U guys r seriously too suspicious… i honestly didn’t know what wahabi meant. Ha ha..part of a strategy? Gimme a break! If i knew what it meant y would i have to hide it? But now i know that i googled it and did some research but i am yet to come across such a person in sri lanka. i was just giving my personal opinion n that of my close kith n kin who cover their face. Aney seriously y would it bother anyone else what v wear?

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tastyjujubes
2013-02-28 16:33:45

I guess then non-Muslims know more about your religion that you do yourself. If you want to dress in a ninja suit that is up to you, but don’t for a second pretend as if you are better Muslim than someone who doesn’t.

 
 
 
 
2013-01-10 15:39:04

Well, if one good thing can be said about these Arabic countries, it’s that they have rule of law. The laws are absolutely moronic. Their god must have been an absolute moron to make them. But still the laws rule. It’s hard to bend them, even if you’re the king.

What’s really sad about this is that these people who executed this woman were not psychopaths. If there are people who do evil knowing that they are doing evil, they are very rare. Most of these people are just normal people, not exceptionally good or exceptionally bad. It just shows how dangerous an idea can be. Religion, Marxism, Nazism, they are all just bad ideas that made normal people do bad stuff.

So a girl is dead.

 
2013-01-10 16:53:13

It is very sad that the President tried to get political capital out of a tragic event, as it was never up to the King of Saudi Arabia to grant a pardon, and only for the parents of the dead infant. If the President of Sri Lanka made an appeal to the parents years ago it may have helped more, but only after the mother of the infant had received sufficient mental health counselling for her to get over the death of the her child. Inwardly, she only blames herself for risking the life of her infant with an untrained domestic who was no Nanny.

However to justify her conscience that she was not to blame, she heaped the blame on the girl. There are NO witnesses to what happened and there was no post-mortem. So we must assume Rizana’s story is true for want of any other to the contrary.

Therefore if over 7 years the mother had counselling that is available in civilized countries to women, then I am sure she would have got over the death and be able to consider pardon. Until you get over the death you cannot forgive. So Rizana paid the price for poor Saudi mental medical help which could have cured the mother, and her recurring nightmares of the event. Its very simple really, we should have offered to get the parents counselling that would have shamed them to realizing they tried to blame an innocent and recant by pardoning the poor girl, instead of sending her to her death for their own inadequacies.

They will never be able to recover from their nightmare, until they receive mental health counselling.

By the way if you go to Saudi you must be prepared to live by their laws, however much we disagree with them. It is a risk, chance and choice. I do agree that Rizana was not read her rights before she left. If she was adult, educated and knew the choice ahead she may have still made the same decision, but we do not know that.

There are NO winners, just losers. I now pity the family, and damn our politicians for trying to gain political mileage.

 
Meacham
2013-01-10 18:34:09

Rizana’s death is getting worldwide publicity. First on BBC (one of the most read articles) and now on CNN:

Outrage over beheading of Sri Lankan woman by Saudi Arabia
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/10/world/meast/saudi-arabia-sri-lankan-maid/?hpt=hp_t1

comments on the article are worth reading. more and more people are awakening to the outrage perpetrates\d in the name of Islam.

 
hstfgajh
2013-01-10 20:23:48

her blood is on Saudi/US/UK’s hands. because, US/UK are the puppet masters of the Saudi barbarian puppets.

 
Floater
2013-01-10 20:32:03

These US-puppet draconian Saudis listen only to their masters US/UK. About
12yrs ago they released, under UK pressure, two British nurses who were
found guilty of murdering an Australian nurse.Today, Rizana’s
innocent blood are on the hands of not only that baby’s parents &
Saudi puppet king, but of US-president himself. Because, the US is the
puppet-master of SauidArabia.First, this could be an accident not an homicide. Second, She was underage (17yrs) at the time.Third,
she was assigned duties outside her job specifications: housemaid was
given nanny duties, and she was naive enough not to refuse.SL govt must strictly enforce job-contracts and also educate the women specially about the pitfalls.

BTW, `democratic’ West is doing business with this barbaric Saudis calling them `moderate Muslim states’ while trying to regime-change in secular Arab state Syria (no sharia law).
Hypocrites.
Whats more: US/UK hypocrites are helping brutal Saudi regime to crush the democracy protestors currently. Who said they support democracy and so-called Arab spring?

On the other hand, US and Saudies are no different when it comes to brutality;
remember torture/rape/killing at Gtmorebay, AbuGrahib, etc under US command?

2013-01-11 10:30:36

If we can send our women to work there, why can’t the US and UK do business there?

 
 
Fathima
2013-01-10 23:30:25

whatever outsiders may think our women are far from locked up indoors and whatever protection we r given is for our own good. Ur lookin at a few examples n branding an entire group of people. U speak about our men drinking and partying with girls. Well u know what? I have lived my life with Muslims and i know firsthand whats true and not about that statement. Yes there r some boys who break d rules BUT THERE ARE girls too definitely. Personally i can assure u my husband, my brothers and my father HAVE never had alcohol or been in a nightclub and never consumed pork so u CANNOT PLACE THE BLAME ON ALL OUR MEN JUST LIKE THAT. Even for this you will probably think i’m stupid n i don’t know whats going on around me cos i’m not educated n that these men are doing it secretly. Ur wrong. They are Godfearing people who know their limits well. we are educated and we are aware of our surroundings. To the Muslim woman working is an option. She can if she wants to but she has the right to be fed n clothed by her husband. What she earns is her own money. She doesn’t have to spend it on her family. there r people who bend d rules in every faith. Those who drink or eat pork are not following the rules of Islam in that matter. Its simple. Just like the Buddhists who eat meat are not entirely following their religion.
As for why Allah created racists? Allah created humans and gave them free will. Their opinions n beliefs r their own. Judgment is based on how we use our free will.
Finally i ought to mention that before the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) was sent the Arabs were in a period of Jahiliya a dark age where they buried their baby girls n gave no rights to their womenfolk. It was Islam that gave the women their rights n taught them that a baby girl is indeed a blessing. It taught that paradise lies under a mother’s feet. It taught that the best man is the one who is good to his wife. And similarly established many rights to the oppressed women of that time. It prohibited alcohol consumption alongwith many other evils. Its sad to see Saudi reflecting acts of Jahiliya once again in modern society. Having said all this, every person’s belief is different. It is of course ur free will to believe what u like. But my only request is to please allow us to wear what we wish and eat what we wish. We are not forcing you to do the same. Every person is free to follow his faith. On this note i wish to come back to d main topic here. Rizana Nafeek – every one of us sympathize with her so instead of arguing n ending up nowhere lets pray for her to be in a happy place!
PS. Who on earth told u we don’t buy from NonMuslim shops? :O unless u mean food-cos we have our halal haram u know

Meacham
2013-01-11 07:35:25

Far from locked up? are you being serious or facetious because Srilankan Muslim women I am sure have the lowest educational status in the whole island. Only people who may have a lower educational status may by upcountry tamil women but even they are out and about earning a living and it is the men who laze about. Where are the srilankan muslim women who are doctors, scientists, engineers, lawyers, accountants? Yes there are very few, because they are not encouraged to get an education but only learn how to cook and clean and have babies one after the other. Many SL Muslim girls leave school early thereafter are locked up at home at the whim and fancy of their fathers/brothers and husband. In the meantime, Srilanka might not have a the best record but it routinely comes in the top ten for gender equality in the world…

how can allah have given free will when he is all-knowing. He already knows what is going to happen and what choices you are going to make. Even long before you were born if he were all-knowing he would have known your choices and whether you are destined for heaven or hell. A pillar of belief in Islam is indeed the belief of pre-destination. so who are you trying to fool by claiming people have free will according to islam? What does the Quran say “Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom.” So allah has already decided who will disbelieve and who will burn in hell for eternity.

 
 
such
2013-01-10 23:58:08

Nothing against muslim women or the religion per se. The attitude of muslim men in Sri Lanka is the real problem. We do business with muslims from all over the globe. No problems. Often a pleasure in fact. But the ones here will not if their is a muslim choice regardless of price or quality. That’s the truth of it.

 
2013-01-11 08:11:56

@fathima

Hah. Let’s forget about the logical impossibility of all-knowing god giving anyone acausal free-will. I give you free will. But still, you god, who knows everything, knew exactly what the Sinhala racists would do with free will and still thought it was an awesome idea to create them and give them free-will. Sinhala racists didn’t even ask him to create them (they didn’t exist to make that request). So it was all allah all along. So blame him for the Sinhala racists.

 
2013-01-11 08:17:26

@fathima

Apparently allah is trying to stop me from making this comment.

Your argument is moronic. Even if we have free will, even if Allah gave it to us, Allah, being all-knowing, knew what we’d do with it. The sinhala racists didn’t ask him to create them. Allah created them and gave them free will, knowing full well what they’d do with it, and thought it’s awesome. So blame him.

queen
2013-01-11 11:02:30

you and your allah go to the hell .

 
 
2013-01-11 10:35:46

I don’t think you understand the free will concept, nor the basis for it. Nor do you understand the creation concept. You cannot use logic to understand something creative. It’s like asking a parent why they conceived a child knowing that he/she might be a mass murderer. You come off sounding like an unimaginative retard.

Meacham
2013-01-11 22:12:02

with allah it is isn’t a “might know” it is a “he knows” otherwise he wouldn’t be allah would he? if allah knows everything then he knows everyones future, including the decisions they will make. which means either free will is a farce or allah is not omniscient.

 
 
rajivmw
2013-01-11 12:18:43

It’s depressing that we are using the brutal killing of a young Sri Lankan girl as an occasion to hurl insults at our various religions. I think most Muslims here have made it clear that Saudi Arabia does not represent their ideal of a Muslim state, nor do they consider the beheading of Rizana to be in accordance with Islamic principles. We should respect that.

I don’t think many Sinhalese, no matter how nationalistic, would consider the current Sri Lankan State as anything close to the Buddhist ideal, despite the proclamations of our constitution and politicians. As a Buddhist myself, I would be highly offended by people using a transgession committed by our government as an excuse to attack Buddhism.

This is a time of great anguish for the Sri Lankan Muslim community, and their fellow countrymen should be showing compassion and empathy, not rubbing salt in their wounds. I have issues with particular religions and their followers (including my own), and also with religious belief in general. But to use this tragedy as an occasion to rant against the people most deeply affected by it is disgusting. We need to be better than this.

Fathima
2013-01-11 12:50:49

Thanks for a neutral comment. i guess at least some people understand our opinions too. yes we are blamed for everything done by Saudis even if we oppose it :( there’s no point trying to make our points clear, some people will stand by their opinions even if its just plain wrong.

 
Meacham
2013-01-11 22:19:38

you conveniently forget that rizana was executed as per Sharia law which is part and parcel of Islam. If sharia law didn’t ask for blood money or death then rizana would not have been executed in such a gruesome manner. instead of dancing around the issue have a look at the root cause. there are parts of islam itself which are primitive and unsuitable to a modern world. pretending as if that is not the case is part of the problem.

 
 
Fathima
2013-01-11 13:22:08

Well to everyone who’s trying to make me believe that our women r robbed of our rights n forced to stay indoors, my question is how many of these women do you know personally? have you tried speaking to them? have they complained to u that they r unhappy to be this way? maybe there r a few ungrateful women who will complain here n there, but its really unfair to brand an entire religion based on isolated incidents. well, i know no matter how much i write down my personal experiences here that our Sri Lankan Muslim women r quite happy with their lifestyles you people choose not to believe it. its really pointless to waste my time here trying to make u realise this. but just for one moment think about us openmindedly n maybe u will understand. think about the Delhi rape case, think about how much we Muslims protect our women from such incidents. maybe the working women r less but there r Muslim women i know who work and r at good posts too, but that is purely their option. it was wrong for this family to send young Rizana to work alone. I blame ourselves for this. if we give more of our zakat money to the poor people instead of distributing it among relatives n forgetting the others they wouldnt have to strive so hard for money. I hope from this experience the wealthy from us will stop spending so elaborately at their weddings n functions n donate their excess to these poverty-stricken people instead. Islam doesnt push a woman to earn a living. Think about how working women come home dog-tired, they dont even have time to tend to their kids, most of them grow up in day cares. and u think the Muslim woman who stays at home is oppressed? if u ask me, i wouldnt trade this lifestyle to anything else, we have the right to demand our husbands for what we want as long as its within his capacity, we are close to our children bcos we r with them most of the time n we wont throw our old parents into an elder’s home just cos we want to work. i wouldnt want to be a woman sporting a short mini just to please my male colleagues nor do i wish to be the girl jogging with tight jeans whom all the hooligans at the beach whistle as they pass her. i prefer being the concealed black ninja who some people stare at weirdly but others look upon as an individual not a skirt or chick or whatever u may call her. so please think again. practise whatever u feel is right n i shall practise what i feel comfortable with.

Meacham
2013-01-11 23:33:13

can you tell us where exactly in the quran it states what women should be covered head to toe like a ninja?

 
 
2013-01-11 13:30:03

David,

You cannot use logic to understand something creative? Don’t make retarded comments. You can’t use logic to admire art. But you can use logic to understand it. In the case of statements about reality, such as free will and god, of course you can use logic to figure out whether something is logically coherent or not. In any case, I granted free will regardless of the logically incoherent when god already knows what you’re going to do with it.

My point is, even if you have free will, even if you are the ultimate cause of your actions, you do that only because god created you. So you need to blame god. This is not same as parents raising mass murderers. It’s hard for a parent to kill a child due to moral and evolutionary reasons. On the other hand, if the parents selected the sperm and egg (instead of just blindly having sex) knowing full well that those particular sperm and egg would create a mass murderer, of course we would hold them morally responsible. That’s what god did. He didn’t have to create us. He doesn’t have to do anything because he’s omnipotent. He created us anyway, and gave us free will, knowing full well (since he’s omniscient) what we’d do with it, and still thought it was an awesome idea to let people kill each other. Yeah that sounds like a benevolent god.

Dinuka
2013-01-11 13:51:36

God’s not responsible for man’s WANT to be violent just like your parents cannot be blamed for bringing a moron like you into this world…just saying.
Blaming external sources for your own short comings is a lame way of trying to live a life with consequences…

2013-01-11 17:35:39

Dinuka,

Don’t be a moron. Your parents cannot be blamed for the fact that you’re a moron even if being a moron is morally reprehensible only because they aren’t omnipotent and omniscient. If on the other hand, they were omnipotent and omniscient, and yet chose your moronic mind from all possible mind designs, your parents are definitely responsible.

If I make a strong AI that would destroy human race, knowing full well that it would do that, instead of programming it in another way, I am totally responsible for all the destruction.

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Meacham
2013-01-11 22:16:09

If god created everything in the universe then he also created violence and if he is omniscient he would have known that humans would be violent even before he created them. god already knew adam would eat the apple that satan gave him, if he did not know that then he wouldn’t be omniscient would he.

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2013-01-11 13:35:41

David,

Don’t make retarded comments. Missing logic 101 is one thing. Shout out to the world about it is another

 
Holynaughty
2013-01-11 16:12:03

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2013-01-11 23:17:40

sudi arabya

 
Fathima
2013-01-11 23:58:43

yes shariah law orders punishment to murderers but not in d case of accidental death.

Ok wise guys to u be ur beliefs n to me be mine. it seems u don’t believe in God. Atheists? But don’t u ever wonder who created u n d universe n everything in it?

Meacham
2013-01-12 00:06:55

Sharia – stoning to death, chopping off hands, killing, jizya ….

“Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape, without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men who subsequently develop a conscience, are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.”

Do you think that is fair?

 
 
Meacham
2013-01-12 02:22:06

“In modern times, women in Saudi Arabia condemned to death were traditionally executed by gunfire, but in recent years they have routinely been beheaded, an historic form of execution ordered under sharia, or the Muslim religious law that governs the country.

Only an adult male family member is allowed to stay an execution and they typically only occur in cases where a Saudi national has been condemned and the family been paid so-called “blood money,” Evans said.

Bodies are sometimes put on crucifixes to be observed by the public as a warning. In one case in 2011, when an Indonesian maid was beheaded, her body was reportedly displayed by being hung from a helicopter.”

http://abcnews.go.com/US/saudi-arabias-beheading-nanny-strict-procedures/story?id=18182757

 
Fathima
2013-01-12 09:31:39

if thats true these r crazy practises of today’s Saudis. U think prophet muhammed ever asked d bodies to b hung from helicopters? He asked women to b concealed. Never to expose their bodies. The ruthless people running d state r creating a bad image of Islam. First n foremost Islam doesn’t even support a monarchy n they r supposed to follow Shariah n Islamic law properly? U look at them n come to conclusions about all Muslims?
Best thing to do is not to send any more of our workers to that country. Better safe than sorry.
a woman who has been raped is not held responsible for what happened to her. Y r many people now asking for Shariah law to b implemented on d Delhi rapists?

Meacham
2013-01-12 09:59:59

Fathima, have you actually studied the religion you follow and its history? The prophet Muhammad, i am sorry to say, was a rather brutal man who led wars, caravan attacks (aka banditry) and killed people. He had 11 – 13 wives and even married a 9 year old girl called Aisha when he was 50 odd years old. Learn about the Banu Qurayza and how Muhammad was responsible for the beheading of 600 Jewish men and the enslavement of the women and children. is that not a “crazy practice”? is there any founder of any other religion who has committed so much murder, war and violence? The prophet Muhammad’s behaviour was no different to the behaviour of the Saudis today.

“First n foremost Islam doesn’t even support a monarchy” — really? then what exactly is a caliphate? Are people allowed to vote and bring into power whom they want in an “Islamic state”?

so again, can you please tell us where in the quran it states than women should wear a ninja suit? You are sidestepping this question because there is nowhere in the quran where it states thus. Many Srilankan Muslims are just desperate to be Arabs, so much so that they take arabic names, try to dress like the arab, learn arabic and try and deny their Sinhalese/Tamil heritage. Others go as far as to try and avoid interacting with the ‘kuffar’ (non Muslims) whilst living in a majority non-Muslim country.

Fathima
2013-01-12 18:27:49

here’s everything u need to know about hijab.

“O you Children of Adam! We have bestowed on you raiment to cover your shame as well as to be an adornment to you. But the raiment of righteousness, that is the best. Such are among the Signs of Allah, that they may receive admonition.” (Quran 7:26)

“And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons, their husbands’ sons, their brothers, or their brothers’ sons or their sisters’ sons, or their women or the servants whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex, and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O you Believers, turn you all together towards Allah, that you may attain Bliss.” (Quran 24:31).

“O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.” (Quran 33:59)

Hadith – Bukhari 6:282

‘Aisha (ra) used to say: “When (the Verse): ‘They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms,’ was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their faces with the cut pieces.”

Hadith – Abu Dawud, Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu’minin
When the verse “That they should cast their outer garments over their persons” was revealed, the women of Ansar came out as if they had crows over their heads by wearing outer garments.

The lower half of the hijab is a garment that does not show the woman’s figure. Jeans and certain obvious garments do not meet this requirement.

Hadith – Abu Dawud, Narrated Dihyah ibn Khalifah al-Kalbi
The Apostle of Allah (saw) was brought some pieces of fine Egyptian linen and he gave me one and said: Divide it into two; cut one of the pieces into a shirt and give the other to your wife for veil. Then when he turned away, he said: And order your wife to wear a garment below it and not show her figure.

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Fathima
2013-01-12 18:29:12

i have studied my religion well, but unlike u who has dug deep with eyes only to find imperfections, i studied its goodness

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Meacham
2013-01-13 04:03:46

fathima if you have studied your religion well you wouldn’t be making half the statements that you do to be honest. You said “we wear d face cover with our own free will not cos we are forced as u may think but bcos a Quran ayat asks us to cover ourselves and we actually find comfort in it. ” I’m sorry but the Quran does not ask women to cover their faces. It’s yet another arab invention that many Sri Lankan muslims have lapped up in their (misguided) desperation to be like the arabs.

 
 
Fathima
2013-01-12 18:55:36

btw yes we learn arabic, not to imitate the arabs but cos our holy book is written in arabic n its convenient to understand it as we recite it. and i’d happily tell i’m a sri lankan in any part of d world, i’m definitely not an arab!! my name is arabic, but so is the case with majority of d muslims throughout the world…i guarantee u’ll find a hafsa in australia, a jameela in the UK, an Abdullah in america, etc’ etc; etc; in all the countries, trust me bro, we sri lankans r not the only ones using arabic names……..lol… but why does that bother u? do u want to me to change my name to Padmalatha? :D and if anyone is cuttin off connection with ‘kuffar’ in sri lanka as u say, i’m not one of them, my close friends r non-muslims. u know why people may consider cuttin off relations with u?? u must b attacking their religion like this so its understandable. lol this has soooo deviated from d main topic. n i’m so sorry 4 everyone who’s readin n gettin annoyed.. they r probably thinking “what the hell does all this have to do with rizana”???!! so taking JQ’s advice i’m gonna try not to peek into this comments page for a while. i hope curiosity doesnt get d better of me!!

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Meacham
2013-01-13 04:25:30

im sorry fathima but Islam seems to be a vehicle for the spread of arab language and culture at the expense of native ones. do the Christians create Amharic language schools and try and get their children to speak in the language that Jesus spoke or learn ancient greek in which ancient bibles were written? No…because they use their native language translations and preserve their mother tongue. Srilankan Muslims would do well to learn Sinhalese if they don’t know Sinhalese or Tamil if they don’t know Tamil and of course English, rather than a language that has no relevance to Sri Lanka. I find it appalling that there are Srilankan Muslims who cannot read sinhala and complain that bus signs are not in tamil yet are able to read and write in arabic. yes fathima you are definitely not an arab, so there is no need to try and be an arab in dress, language and culture. you don’t have to have an arabic name to be muslim; look at the indonesians (sukarnoputri, budiman) or the bangladeshis (chatterjee, choudhary). many of them have their original names but are muslims; they haven’t tried to arabicise everything about themselves and many bangladeshi muslim women have no hang ups about wearing their traditional dress – the sari (and not the arab burqa). padmalatha is a beautiful name – it means ‘lotus vine’ in sanskrit, a language whose influence is omnipresent in this part of the world. no doubt your ancestors may have even carried that name.

ask yourself, what exactly is the Srilankan Moor culture? Is there one? Do you have a unique language? Danceforms? dress? cusine? music? History? Ancient civilization? fact is that Sri Lankan moors have arabicised themselves so much they have little to show for their own community itself. If we wanted someone to represent srilanka on the world stage would someone called fathima wearing a burqa be suitable or is that something that the arab countries would put forward as representing themselves?? At least the Malays have shown some pride in their culture, language and history. with the Srilankan moors many are desperate to have some connection to the arabs when in reality the vast majority are simply descendents of sinhalese and tamils.

 
 
 
 
JQ
2013-01-12 09:53:50

LMAO @fatima. y u wastin ur tym tryin 2 mk dese jobless morons get d point dat u r truly happy wit ur lifestyle n so r many other Muslim girls lyk u???
Even if u tel a pear is a pear they r likely 2 say no its a durian.lol Similarly if u tel ur men r treatin u well dey will tell no dey r not.
Dont bother debatin with em….. U can easily put down their religion more than dey r doin 4us….
Dey r worshippin stone n comin 2 question us about wut v worship n tryin 2 brainwash us.see how far dis has com from d maintopic. It’ll go on 4 days reply 4 reply tryin 2 degrade us. Do sumthin worthwhile n leave em 2 their one sided theories…dese r haters of Islam……

Fathima
2013-01-12 18:34:39

@JQ i dont encourage degrading any religion. i’m only trying to defend my faith n the Muslims who r against what saudi did to rizana

 
 
2013-01-12 09:58:34

But don’t u ever wonder who created u n d universe n everything in it?

Of course we do. But saying some intelligent agent did it is the worst philosophical screw up ever. Give a mysterious answer to a mysterious question. Yeah that seems epistemically sound.

 
rajivmw
2013-01-12 15:26:58

Honestly Indi, sometimes I think you should moderate your comment section, at least when it strays so far from the original topic. This particular discussion is serving no good purpose as far as I can see. It’s ridiculous for someone to argue that he/she knows more about what the other person believes than the other person himself/herself does. And that’s what seems to be happening here.

 
rajivmw
2013-01-12 16:56:12

I am not conveniently forgetting anything. Let’s be precise. The main issue is not the manner of the execution, it is the possible misscarriage of justice.

In Rizana’s case, the verdict was determined by men, not God. Nobody in their right mind is arguing otherwise. In Islam, like in any other religion, men are considered fallible by nature, and their decisions can be contested. Indeed, many Sri Lankan Muslims (possibly most) are contesting the decision in question pretty vociferously. This is not in any way a violation of their religion – some might even consider it their religious duty to fight against injustice. What exactly is wrong with this?

With regards to the manner of the execution, I’ll admit I find it appalling. But I’m not an expert on the Sharia code. What does seem obvious to me is that there is a great diversity of opinion on the matter throughout the larger Muslim world. Just like there are differences in the Christian world about the death penalty or homosexuality. Or in the Buddhist world about the consumption of meat.

All Jews shouldn’t be made to suffer for the sins of Israel. All atheists shouldn’t be charged with the crimes of communism. Likewise, the Muslims of Turkey, Indonesia or Sri Lanka CANNOT and SHOULD NOT be held accountable for the practices of Muslims in Saudi Arabia. Doing so is just a reflection of blind prejudice and a lack of reason.

2013-01-12 18:33:17

Rajiva,

Don’t talk nonsense. If you believe there’s an omnipotent, omniscient entity who created you and gave you free will, the verdict is indeed determined by him. You cannot have it both ways. Either you should become sane, declare that no god exists as far as we know, and hold men responsible for the verdict. If you on the other hand believe that such a god exists, and still think that the verdict was determined by men, you are talking nonsense.

Of course this is not a politicians line of reasoning. But I’m not a politician so I don’t care.

rajivmw
2013-01-12 20:03:18

Try to figure what free will means Sharanga. If God gave man free will, then how exactly does it follow that He determined the verdict? What is it about the words ‘free’and ‘will’ that you do not understand?

By the way, I am not a believer of a Creator Being as propounded by the Abrahamic religions. But if I’m debating the issue with someone who is, I will at least try to understand what he actually believes in, instead of ranting on against some god concept that I’ve conjured up myself just to help me win an argument.

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Meacham
2013-01-13 01:06:19

If someone already knows what you are going to choose beforehand, how is it free will? You may have the perception that you have a free will, but you really don’t. according to Islam, Allah has a predetermined plan for everyone. predestination is one of the core beliefs of Islam. If allah is all knowing even before creating you he would have known all the choices you were going to make and already determined whether you are going to heaven or hell..

 
2013-01-13 07:10:58

Rajiva,

That’s why I said earlier that it is logically incoherent for a omnipotent and omnicient god to give anyone free will. Here’s why,

1. You can’t be both omnipotent and omniscient. If you are omniscient, you cannot do something you don’t know. So god must not be omnipotent. On the other hand, if you are omnipotent, you should be able to not know something. So you must not be omniscient. So right there’s this huge contradiction. The world is created by a logically incoherent being.

2. Nevertheless, suppose that this being created us, and gave us free will, knowing full well what we’d do with it. Now my question is, if I create a superintelligence, and somehow give it free will, knowing full well that it would kill every single human being to use the ion in their blood to create paperclips, would you not hold me responsible for its actions?

3. Where does this morality stuff come from anyway? Does it come from god, or does he only point to something outside him? If morality comes from god, then what’s moral is whatever god likes. So if he decided that abusing nine year old girl-childs moral, do we go the Prophet’s way and actually do it?

4. Free will isn’t even a coherent concept. What does it means to have free will? It means that we are the ultimate cause of our actions. If you think a little about it (it helps if you know quantum physics), you’d realise that this cannot be true in a causal deterministic universe, acausal deterministic universe, causal indeterministic universe, or an acausal indeterministic universe. But this is a point that most people don’t understand so I won’t blame you if you don’t either.

 
 
 
 
Kumbakarna
2013-01-12 17:05:13

Warlord Abdulaziz raided many places in Najd to feed his family. On the night of January 15, 1902, 26 years old warlord Abdulaziz led 40 men climbed over the walls of the city of Riyadh on tilted palm trees and took the city of Riyadh. The Rashidi governor of the city of Riyadh, Ajlan, was killed in front of his own fortress – Masmak fort. Beginning with the conquest city of Riyadh in 1902, Warlord Abdulaziz consolidated his control over the Najd in 1922, and then conquered the Hijaz in 1925. The Wahhabis and UK supported warlord Abdulaziz and legitimized warlord Abdulaziz and his fight against the Ottoman Empire. Having conquered almost all of central Arabia, UK supported warlord Abdulaziz united his dominions into the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in 1932 and changed his name as King Saud bin Abdulaziz. Since then the House of Saud always supports UK and its allies including USA. Warlord Abdulaziz married more than twenty women and fathered over sixty eight children including all of the subsequent kings of Saudi Arabia.Today more than 7,000 princes in the House of Saud, the result of multiple wives and lots of progeny.
In 1863 the Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Rothschilds used one of their agents in USA, John D. Rockefeller to form an oil business called Standard Oil which eventually took over all of its competition in USA. Oil was discovered in Saudi Arabia in 1938 by US geologists working for Standard Oil. Standard Oil obtained a 50 year concession granted by Abdulaziz for an immediate payment of 30,000 gold sovereigns, veritably one of the greatest bargains in history. When the extent of breathtakingly large oil reserves became evident in Saudi Arabia, Exxon, Texaco Mobil and others joined in to form the mighty Aramco consortium.
In exchange for security of the House of Saud dynasty by USA, the Saudi Arabia’s oil wealth and revenues have been handed over for exploitation and benefit of the Zionists and their Wall Street Corporations. The House of Saud regime controls “the largest family business” in the world without any popular mandate or accountability.
When Warlord Abdulaziz took control of the Holy Places in Arabia from the Ottoman Empire with British support, he destroyed 15 centuries of Islamic heritage, including the desecration of the tombs of the wives and companions of the Holy Prophet, in the iconoclastic imposition of Wahhabism. The iconoclastic Wahhabi House of Saud gradually destroyed several holy shrines, including historical places of Islam from the Prophet’s house in Mecca and companion Ayoob Ansari’s house in Medina and turned them into apartment buildings and hotels. They also turned the site of the Prophet’s wives’ houses into a parking lot. Art, Music, dancing, laughing and weeping (including at funerals) have been forbidden by the Wahhabis. For a Wahhabi listening to music or dancing is haram but detonating explosive and killing innocent human beings is permissible.
To enforce Wahhabism morals enforcers known as mutawwiin have been integral to the Wahhabi movement since its inception. Mutawwiin serve as missionaries, as enforcers of public morals, and as “public ministers of the religion” who preach in the Friday mosque. In addition to enforcing male attendance at public prayer, the mutawwiin also have been responsible for supervising the closing of shops at prayer time, for looking out for infractions of public morality such as playing music, dancing, smoking, drinking alcohol, men having hair that is too long or women who are not fully covered and dressing immodestly.
The Wahhabi-backed warlord Abdulaziz took full control of the Hijaz, Mecca and Medina, in 1924 and established the modern state of Saudi Arabia, with Wahhabism as its official religion. Since then the House of Saud has promoted Wahhabism as normative Islam throughout the Islamic world. The House of Saud was consolidated on massive oil wealth and has spent huge sums of money building Wahhabi mosques, publishing Wahhabi literature and funding Wahhabi organizations world-wide. Today, with Wahhabi control of the Holy Places intact, virtually every aspect and corner of modern Islam has been penetrated by Wahhabi influence through the agency of the House of Saud.
Through the control of the Hajj – the beating heart of Islam – and through their vigorous publication and propaganda means, almost all the Muslims are infected with Wahhabism to some extent.
In Saudi Arabia there is no Church, Synagogue, Buddhist nor Hindu Temple is allowed. Wahhabism (pseudo Salafism) is NOT a religion of tolerance. Wahhabism provides the fundamental base for Jihadism which causes unending strife and misery. It is not Iran that should be bombed. In Iran there are still Jews living there and praying in their Synagogues. Muammar al-Gaddafi respected Christian and Jewish religions and their Churches, Synagogues in Libya but American, English, French, Saudi and Qatari financed terrorists destroyed Churches, Synagogues recently. Buddhist Temples including Bamiyan Buddha statues have survived in Islamic countries for centuries, but they could not survive under the Wahhabism.
Washington and London are protecting Wahhabi extremists. In Syria Christians and their Churches were safe before the Westerners began sending their Wahhabi fanatics to kill innocent Syrian civilians.
In Bosnia and Kosovo, under the guise of “reconstruction aid”, Saudi Arabia, Kuwaiti, and other Wahhabi organizations have demolished and removed major Islamic monuments (survived attacks by Serbian and Croatian militias) which were created by Muslims with an Islamic culture and tradition stretching back to 14th century long before Muhammad Ibn Abd al-Wahhab made his 1744 alliance with the warlord Muhammad Ibn Saud who founded the Saudi dynasty – House of Saud.
In post- Muammar al-Gaddafi Libya,Wahhabi Jihadists bulldozed several Libyan Sufi mosques (including the Tripoli’s Al-Shaab Al-Dahman mosque) and Sufi graves (including the tombs of Libyan Sufi scholars Abdullah al-Sha’ab, Abdel Salam al-Asmar and of soldiers who fought Spanish colonialists). Wahhabi Jihadists also burned down several historic Sufi libraries in Libya recently.

 
Fathima
2013-01-12 18:24:52

here’s everything u need to know about the hijab.

“O you Children of Adam! We have bestowed on you raiment to cover your shame as well as to be an adornment to you. But the raiment of righteousness, that is the best. Such are among the Signs of Allah, that they may receive admonition.” (Quran 7:26)

“And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons, their husbands’ sons, their brothers, or their brothers’ sons or their sisters’ sons, or their women or the servants whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex, and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O you Believers, turn you all together towards Allah, that you may attain Bliss.” (Quran 24:31).

“O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.” (Quran 33:59)

Hadith – Bukhari 6:282

‘Aisha (ra) used to say: “When (the Verse): ‘They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms,’ was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their faces with the cut pieces.”

Hadith – Abu Dawud, Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu’minin
When the verse “That they should cast their outer garments over their persons” was revealed, the women of Ansar came out as if they had crows over their heads by wearing outer garments.

The lower half of the hijab is a garment that does not show the woman’s figure. Jeans and certain obvious garments do not meet this requirement.

Hadith – Abu Dawud, Narrated Dihyah ibn Khalifah al-Kalbi
The Apostle of Allah (saw) was brought some pieces of fine Egyptian linen and he gave me one and said: Divide it into two; cut one of the pieces into a shirt and give the other to your wife for veil. Then when he turned away, he said: And order your wife to wear a garment below it and not show her figure.

Meacham
2013-01-13 00:57:16

Nothing you have posted, especially from the quran, supports the use of the burqa. nowhere is it stated that women have to cover themselves up from head to toe. Why is arabic clothing being pushed as “islamic clothing” when it clearly has no basis according to the quran?

 
 
Fathima
2013-01-12 18:32:41

@JQ i dont want to degrade any religion, i’m only defending my faith n the Muslims who dont support what saudi did to rizana.

 
Meacham
2013-01-13 01:05:42

If someone already knows what you are going to choose beforehand, how is it free will? You may have the perception that you have a free will, but you really don’t. according to Islam, Allah has a predetermined plan for everyone. predestination is one of the core beliefs of Islam. If allah is all knowing even before creating you he would have known all the choices you were going to make and already determined whether you are going to heaven or hell.

 
Donald
2013-01-13 03:01:39

All that is missing now is a Muslim Buddhist row, it appers.
Nonsense!

SAUDIS are ARBS ans RIZANA was SRI LANKAN

That’s about all to it. Anyone who have been in the Middle East knows that. Every Buddhist, Hindu, Christian or Muslim Sri Lankan who insults one another on this matter better be aware of this fact

Also, it is not worth for any Governemnt to fight for Rizana, Saudi oil is more valuble. So all they will do is pretend to lament when the damage is done.

My heart weeps for this girl. She just had been at the wrong place at the wrong time (with a valid document to prove that she wasn’t a minor)

 
Fathima
2013-01-13 13:19:16

ok curiosity got d better of me n i peeked into d page :/ i had a feelin u’d have come back with more arguments.
Please read d quotes i posted above. There r ayats that support covering a woman’s modesty. And d hadith support it too. Covering d face is considered optional by some but many prefer to do it too. Not cos Arabs r doing it but cos some of us feel d face exposes d beauty of a woman n that should b covered. But i’m not criticising any woman who refuses to do that. Its her decision. For a woman her awrat is her entire body except face n hands and for a man it is from navel to knee. This is d MINIMUM when it comes to covering. A Muslim man cannot wear shorts. Please read d references above. It clearly states in hadith that women veiled themselves when that ayat was received. Why is Mother Mary (Maryam peace be upon her) always depicted covering herself up? And y do some hindu people cover their heads when going to d temple? Even i’m sure Buddhists don’t adorn skimpy clothing when going to a pansal?? Then y is it so wrong for us to cover up? its not just Islam even other religions r asked to be modest in attire. Its not our fault if they don’t adhere to that each time they go outside.
And as for our culture n cuisine? i’m sure arabs don’t make wattalapam or eat for a whole month d amount of chillie we eat for one meal.lol. I’ve been there n i know their food n attire is different from ours. Who told u we don’t wear d sari? We wear it inside d abaya for special occasions n provided d party is for ladies only we remove d abaya n even make up n mehendi is fine as long as its not exposed to outside men. Don’t b fooled by outer appearances. Even d biryani v make for our weddings is not an arab dish. Ok so v probably learnt it from d Indians n Pakis :/ oh c’mon we lankans r famous for copying others for everything. Even If u come across Sirasa superstar u’d know they’ve copied The Voice an american show. Our guys r lacking original ideas its a well known fact :) what d heck give us a good recipe from any country we’d love to try our hands at it… If u guys r so strict on preserving culture don’t use cars, use a bakki garathe. Stop serving cake n shorteats at ur parties make only kavum n kokis, ban the western clothing ur women r wearing n make it a rule that every woman should wear only kandyan sari….
Padmalatha? Hmmm..i must consider that…here’s an idea. Get that podu balasena or something to campaign for muslims to change their names suitable for sri lankan culture. Its a crime to have non sinhalese names no. Oh n also d christians n tamils. It would b deadly after all to have mary,john n joseph in our country cos those r biblical names…. N what a disgrace to have lakshmi and meenakshi for a name. Lol (no offense christians n hindus)
is there anything else we Sri Lankan Muslims must stop doing?

 
2013-01-13 13:38:32

that is not a sharealaw that is saudilaw

 
A muslim
2013-01-13 13:59:42

@EL_PAIS: Are you messed up? Do you know who created the website to the link you posted? It could have been made by just another one of the many enemies of islam. And since you brought up the fact in the first place, why do you justify it? because your jealous of the religion? Or are you one of the muslims? Just because your momma or dadda forced you? And please dont anyone else start insulting me just because i defended my religion.
Thanks.

 
A muslim
2013-01-13 14:03:30

Well here is someone smart. (At you Dinuka).

 
easygoer
2013-01-13 14:48:24

Let’s be responsible and engage in an intelligent dialogue to benefit from it without calling deregotary names on each others revered beliefs. We muslims cannot do it because we have been explicitly warned to be patient even under extreme offensive remarks.
We need to point out that nearly half the world including Muslims, Christians etc believe that Prophet Jesus (a.w) was born miraculously without any male intervention and that Prophet Abraham(a.w) had his son Ashmael(a.w) well past 4 score (80yrs). So it need be that you have to look beyond sexual lust to comment on these developments. For all the deregotary remarks of Prophet Mohammed (s.a) on his companionship with Ayesha (r.a), the largest source (thousands) of advice utterings and good practices for muslim practical life comes from her.
As for the free will of people, we muslims have a middle path between giving up by accepting karma against excessive striving, with moderate striving and acceptance of whatever outcome as from the Almighty.

 
easygoer
2013-01-13 16:54:12

Just because TV news during the last week reported so much of sadist sexual activity including a mother murdering a father who was getting ready to rape their 14 yr old daughter, father and elder brother arrested for raping now 10 yr old for the last 3 yrs , we would not brand all those here nor those of any particular group here deregatorily for this situation. We have to be ready to understand that there are miscreants everywhere. But to understand what systems have been provided to save such victims in the different philosophies is a good exercise. And that’s what we should engage ourselves, instead of the unnecessary one upmanship we normally try to engage in .

tastyjujubes
2013-01-13 17:49:52

Basically all civilized societies condemn paedophilia in the strongest terms. They even have laws against it. There are paedophiles, and child abuse takes place in all societies and countries. The issue is that the founder of Islam -the Prophet Muhammad – was a paedophile by all definitions of the word. When we read about a father raping a 14 year old or a 10 year old we are absolutely disgusted and revolted; we want justice to be served and the criminal to be behind bars. Yet the Prophet Muhammad did the same to a 9 – 10 year old girl. Except in this case, the Prophet Muhammad is hailed by many with expressions such as “an example to mankind” and “the perfect Muslim.” I hope you are able to see the difference here. Paedophilia was wrong now and it was wrong then. Just like slavery is wrong now and it was wrong then. I can understand how this is may be an emotional issue because many Muslims are brought up to revere and venerate the Prophet Muhammad, but I do not understand how paedophilia can be excused or justified in any way.

 
 
easygoer
2013-01-15 17:11:29

If we are so narrow minded as not been able to visualize beyond sexual lust in a relationships, then we have only ourselves to be blamed. Ayesha(r.a) was the Prophet(s.a)’s closest companions daughter. With housands of the Prophet(s.a) advices and actions needing to be recorded in an uneducated society, her close companionship helped and she is sourced as one of the largest memories of these recordings. The society thousands of years ago had different standards for these relationships at that time.The majority in the world who believe in Adam(a.w) and Eve(a.w) have to accept that father- daughter, mother-son and brother-sister relationships would have been inevitable for the generation to grow at the inception. Let’s be charitable and look at matters more broadly unless we have an agenda for it.

tastyjujubes
2013-01-15 20:06:39

Criticising paedophila can hardly be called narrow minded. It is simply not acceptable for a man in his 50s to wed a 6 year old girl and then consummate the marriage when the girl is 9 years old. It constitutes rape pure and simple and people are jailed for it these days. One would have thought that a Supreme Being such as Allah would have counselled his messenger against such outrage, but unfortunately this does not appear to be the case. I do not understand why there seems to be no end of justification for this sordid act by many of those who appear to be devout Muslims. It does beg the question whether Muslim society at large accepts paedophilia. In other words, is it acceptable for a Muslim man in his 50s to marry a six year old girl and then have sexual relations with the girl when she turns nine? Confronting questions, indeed, but given the lack of criticism and justifications put forward they should be asked.

 
 
easygoer
2013-01-16 10:07:02

Please forward your direct references for your quotation ‘married at six and sexual relations at nine’

 
 
easygoer
2013-01-16 17:49:16

Thank You for the enlightenment of the source of your various venomous onslaught. Now it is clear why the campaign to malign Prophet Mohammed(s.a) had been relentless and perhaps tastyjujubes was only a front of the strings. Sorry for my thought that we could engage in meaningful descent dialogue.

tastyjujubes
2013-01-16 18:08:33

I’m sorry if you think the Hadiths are not authentic enough sources.

 
 
2013-01-17 09:31:10

I think we need to take the omniscient bit with a bit of salt. The Bible says God is omniscient too, so whenever there is a great catastrophe, people blame God, even though man is guilty of it. So you need to balance the omniscience part against the scriptural concept of sin. Logically, if God/Allah is omniscient, He knew that man would sin if given free choice, and He Himself is therefore responsible ultimately for the sin rather than man himself. But the Bible and Quran don’t take this viewpoint; and if this viewpoint were to be taken, it undermines the actual freedom of free choice. Readers of scripture have also assumed that omniscience means an absolute knowledge of the future, but we don’t know if this assumption is sound.

So you’re being extremely foolish in attempting to use logic to argue a theological concept. There is no logic in religion.

So if you put aside religion — despite the Saudi claim that their legal system is based on it (which it is not) — you have a fatal violation of an individual’s human rights and rights to a fair trial. That’s all.

Punchi Baba
2013-01-17 10:50:00

Natural disasters happen with God’s acquiescence. The Bible and Quran are mytho-historical books made up by humans. If God is all knowing then he knows everything about the past, present and future.

2013-01-17 11:39:36

We don’t know if there is a god. So trying to blame a god for all of this is a bit dumb.

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2013-01-19 08:09:34

@Punchi Baba

Oh give up. The man’s saying that there’s no logic in religion. How can you argue with that?

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2013-01-17 09:39:57

To Sharanga/Meecham/and his other alter egos: your name-calling just shows that it is your theory (and possibly yourself) that is retarded. When I mentioned the creative, you claim that you can use logic to understand it. You cannot. You can use logic to understand the process, but that too in a way that is limited by one’s own creativity, or lack of it.

You still haven’t understood the concept of free will, and that is something that you CAN understand using logic. I can only deduce from that that your intellect is perhaps a bit stunted by your assumption that you understand logic. Rajiv has explained it to you, but you still don’t get it, so rather than studying this Logic 101 you follow and praise, I suggest you focus on English Comprehension for Dummies first.

2013-01-19 08:36:25

//To Sharanga/Meecham/and his other alter egos: //

It’s funny. Ever since I started commenting here many people thought I was someone I was not. Many thought I was Heshan. Then someone thought I was someone I don’t remember. Now this guy think I’m Meecham. So I got to ask, is being clinically insane a prerequisite if you want to comment here?

 
 
2013-01-19 08:06:04

Punchi baba,

Oh, give up. The man is saying there’s no logic in religion. How can you argue with that?

 
tastyjujubes
2013-01-20 16:21:18

So there’s a video on youtube purporting to show the execution of Rizana with tonnes of views… is it real? Or is it some other poor soul being sacrificed in the name of Islamic law. Whatever the case it’s pretty shocking.

 
Oikos
2013-01-21 18:55:56

Interesting article….

Muslim Extremists in Sri Lanka Exploit Rizana Tragedy to Gain Converts

While Sri Lanka mourns the loss of one of her daughters at the hands of the brutal Saudi regime, Muslim extremists in Sri Lanka are working on exploiting the tragedy to gain converts to Islam. There has unfortunately been a general silence from Sri Lanka’s Muslim community, especially the Moors, over what many non-Muslim Sri Lankans have viewed with outrage. The execution of Rizana appears to mean little to very many Moor Muslims, as to decry the act would mean voicing one’s opinion against Sharia Law, the Islamic system of jurisprudence.

http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2013/01/20/muslim-extremists-in-sri-lanka-exploit-rizana-tragedy-to-gain-converts/comment-page-1/#comment-31010

 
Man
2013-02-24 16:57:44

According to Koran, a mother should breast feed their babies either one year for a girl or one and half year for a boy. That rich Soudi bitch has not breast fed her baby, instead bottle fed the baby! Why the sharia law is not applicable for that women who violate the low?

 
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This seems to be the basic BBS gameplan (for fucking up everything we’ve worked so hard to build after the war). It’s a cycle of outrage, riot, fear, repeat. It’s like the eightfold path to not being a Buddhist:

Buddhism And Racism

Buddhism is not racist. The ideas and practice of Buddhism involve meditation, perception of impermanence and ultimately what we would call a renunciation of self. Being a Buddhist, however, is not just that. Being a Buddhist fundamentally involves taking refuge in three things – the Buddha, the Dhamma (his teachings) and the Sangha (the community of practice). As a Buddhist, this is why the violence in Aluthgama is so troubling. Becomes it comes cloaked in the colors of the Sangha. The main racists and instigators of mob violence are monks.