No Limit To Anti-Muslim Nonsense

Town Hall And Mosque

Mosque and Town Hall, Colombo 7


Muslims are the new minority. Mostly ignored during the war years, now this population is drawing the ire of Sinhalese nationalists, and the results are pretty scary. Recently monks protested outside the No Limit clothing shop in Maharagama. That brand has long been attacked for having Tamil language calendars (which I think they did, it’s not a crime) and with vile rumors of giving out candy that makes Sinhalese infertile and rewarding Muslim (male) employees for marrying Sinhalese. This is all the ignorant cultural subconscious saying that Muslims are outbreeding ‘us’ and they’re bad, but it can have very serious results.

I was talking to Halik about this. We both agreed that this sort of anti-Muslim behavior is racist and bad for the country and generally rude. I, however, also tried to understand where the racism was coming from. And it’s not just from the Sinhalese, I was talking to a local government candidate in Batticaloa years back and she said it was really difficult to get Muslims and Tamils to run together on the same electoral slate. A friend selling land there said that the Tamil neighbors asked him to sell to a Sinhalese if he must, but not to a Tamil. So why do Muslims draw such wide antipathy?

Partly, I daresay mostly, it’s because of ignorance. I’m not anti-Muslim because I have Muslim friends and have eaten in their houses and understand that they’re not trying to make me infertile. If I didn’t know Muslims then I suppose I could pin my insecurities on them. I was also telling Halik that it doesn’t help that many Muslims keep to their own communities, especially Muslim women. However, that’s still no excuse for racism, at all.

Sadly, one of Mahinda’s responses to this rising racism is saying that most non-Buddhists are worshiping on land given by Buddhists and that no-Buddhists are racist. Which is… not helpful.

You would think that people have learned the dangers of communalism, but racism persists, now against Muslims. Not only No Limit, there are groups complaining about halal food and even saying that certifying bodies support terrorism and other nonsense. This is all dangerous nonse and it needs to stop. Everybody just needs to eat some wattalapan, remember that we’re all neighbors and chill.

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2013-01-23 14:49:35

@indica – good work Indi. With regards to Muslim/Tamil issue u mentioned, LTTE during its heydays never treated Muslims fairly in North/East

 
2013-01-23 14:49:40

RT @indica: No Limit To Anti-Muslim Nonsense: rising racism against the other Sri Lankan minority http://t.co/515x2C7U

 
2013-01-23 14:49:40

RT @indica: No Limit To Anti-Muslim Nonsense: rising racism against the other Sri Lankan minority http://t.co/515x2C7U

 
rajivmw
2013-01-23 14:54:30

I’m glad you wrote this indi. The sad thing is that this post is probably going to invite a barrage of Islamophobic reactions that will validate everything you have said, but will also likely result in even more ill-will. Hope I’m wrong.

 
Lankan Thinker
2013-01-23 15:31:04

Well said Indi!

It is indeed worrying to see these attempts to promote anti-Muslim sentiments. If the government persists in insisting that ‘there is no problem’, hopefully Muslim MPs will have the backbone to walk out of the UPFA coalition and put some serious pressure on the GoSL.

A minor query – I assume your friend selling land asked by Tamil-neighbours to sell to Sinhalese if he must but not to a Muslim? I think you may have written ‘Tamil’ at the end by mistake.

 
2013-01-23 15:36:13

RT @indica: No Limit To Anti-Muslim Nonsense: rising racism against the other Sri Lankan minority http://t.co/515x2C7U

 
2013-01-23 15:36:13

RT @indica: No Limit To Anti-Muslim Nonsense: rising racism against the other Sri Lankan minority http://t.co/515x2C7U

 
2013-01-23 15:36:13

RT @indica: No Limit To Anti-Muslim Nonsense: rising racism against the other Sri Lankan minority http://t.co/515x2C7U

 
sack
2013-01-23 16:14:29

If you must sell your land and if there are no tamil buyers, then sell it to a Sinhalese. Even Sinhalese (who are supposed to be marginalizing tamils and not mention have killed a lot of them) are better than muslims.

That is not something only indi have been told.

 
such
2013-01-23 17:38:38

Dunno. Live and let live. But muslims here are rascist too I find. Also their business practices are monopolistic and cut throat. Just go to Unity plaza and see for yourself. All the shops are owned by a few muslim individuals although they have different names and staff. An example of blatant subterfuge to price fix. Plus they import inferior computers in bulk dress them up and sell them here with limited warranties. Go to Srina palace all the male staff are muslim guys, most of the females are sinhala or tamil. Whats that about? The VAT fraud that drove prices of land up in Colombo recently was by a muslim guy. He’s in hiding abroad but the land is now written to his relatives. It’s not muslims or Islam per se. Its the attitude of the muslims men here and their double standards both towards their women and to other races that is the problem. If that doesn’t change then I see trouble ahead.

rajivmw
2013-01-23 19:11:56

What about the ample number of Sinhalese men who peddle overpriced goods, or commit fraud, or harass their employees? What about the Sinhalese politicians who brazenly engage in thuggery, extortion and graft? Why no sweeping generalizations about them?

On the other hand, what about the scores of honest, decent Muslim businessmen who provide gainful employment for thousands from all backgrounds? What about the Muslim men who served on the frontlines and gave up their lives for the nation? Why not use their examples in your characterization?

2013-01-30 11:39:13
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poo
2013-01-23 18:37:01

good post this must stop

hp perera
2013-01-23 22:36:56

it MUST :)

 
 
2013-01-23 19:09:13

There’s two types of racism. One is where you treat a person differenly simply because of his race. I don’t think Sinhalese people are guilty of this. We don’t even have a word equivalent to ‘nigger’. We have ‘demala’ and ‘thambiah’, but they are hardly equivalent to ‘nigger’. So we don’t have a black, white kind of racism.

The other type of racism is when you treat a collection of people differently simply because they are a different race. That’s what’s happening here. Well, in fact the antipathy is against Islam, not Muslims. It just so happens that all Muslims are Islamists.

I don’t care about being politically correct. I only care about being right and being honest. Muslims have been conquerers. The spread of Islam happened because they won wars, and they beheaded those who believed in false gods. Try worshipping anything other than Allah in Saudi Arabia if you’re not convinced. The spread of Christianity was greatly helped by war victories too, but they didn’t behead all non-believers. It was their missionaries that converted people.

Now, Islam is growing all over the world, not because people are converted into it, but because they breed at a higher rate. You can look at population growth rates of different countries. The middle east tops the chart.

In SL, it is pretty clear that Muslims are indeed overbreeding everyone else. No matter how long it takes, Mulims will someday become the majority. If that happens, all Sri Lankans will certainly be living under Sharia Law. This is not Islamaphobia. This is simply an extrapolation of known facts. Reality doea not owe it to you to be kind to your liberal sentiments because they are kinder, more sophisticated, and modern. Reality doesn’t care.

So what to do about this? I haven’t thought about it yet. I immediately thought about population control on every family regardless of their race but that would be economically costly. It’ll slow down economic growth, and well, there’s such a thing called personal liberty. One should be careful not to become the monster he’s trying to kill.

But, only a lunatic would think that the spread of Islam is good for the country, or to the world. Something needs to be done.

P.S. Does Rajiva has any idea as to why there’s such a word “islamophobia”, but no “buddhistophobia” or “hinduphobia”?

kp
2013-01-23 22:42:31

1. your definitions of racism up there make no sense. both are one and the same, and with the whole “we dont have a word like nigger”, you come off as an apologist. sad start to what is otherwise a pretty good argument.
2. “muslim” is the demonym of any follower of ‘islam’. get your definitions correct.
3. this fear of muslims overbreeding the sinhalese idea has been around since the early 1900s, and yet, the sinhalese are still a near-70% majority.
4. you’re assuming that most of the west coast muslims want sharia law. with that assumption, you just show how close you are to actually being racist: you’re not considering the actual situation, you’re simply extrapolating a very generalized idea of who lankan muslims are.
5. dont make this about ‘all sri lankans’. the people on the streets are only concerned about sinhalese buddhists. we’re now a stone’s throw away from sinhalese christians being attacked too.
6. this “it happens in saudi so it will happen here” is not fact. my god, dont ever get into a scientific profession. with that definition of ‘fact’ you’d be laughed out of every room. there are plenty of islamic countries in the ME that dont practice shriah law.
7. we sinhalese as a race are obsessed with our history (viz mahavamsa) =, and the future. but not the future of our country, but our race. so what if someday the muslims take over, impose shairah law and run the country better than we did? all history (or reality, as you say) will have on record is that the true ‘owners’ of the country failed to run the country decently, while the minority rose up and did. beautiful legacy we’d be leaving no? our task is to concern ourselves with the present, and the future good of the Nation. There are plenty of issues to solve in the present than wasting our time “thinking” about vague scenarios in the future that may or may not happen.

2013-01-24 09:23:49

@KP
1. There’s a big difference. If you don’t want to recognize it, fine. Not my problem.
2. What’s the issue here? By Muslim I distinguish the people who believe Islam. By Islam I mean the religion. Bodu Bala Sena, Nalin de Silva and all aren’t really against “people who believe Islam” i.e. Muslims. They’d be perfectly happy with them if they converted to Buddhism, unlike rednecks who don’t recognize Michael Jackson as a white man.
3. Of course. But having a higher growth rate means that at some point their population will exceed that of every other. I didn’t say it happens in a day or two, or even in hundred years.
4. Don’t hang on to this world Sharia Law. I only stated it that way because it is easier. I don’t want to write thousands of words explaining what I think they’ll do. In short, I think they’ll ban Youtube. Not that hardcore Buddhists don’t want that too. But Muslims are in general much more hardcore than Buddhists or for that matter, any other religious group of people that still exists.
5. Oh no doubt. But I bet Sinhalese Christians would rather live under a Sinhalese Buddhist government than in a Islamic theocracy.
6. I didn’t call this a fact. What I said was that Muslims are over-breeding everyone else is a fact, and if we extrapolate it we’d get a majority Muslim country some time from now (free advice: maybe you need tuition in language comprehension before you do science. Contact Rajiva)… The Islamic population of Saudi Arabia, Maldives, Mauritania and Somalia is 100%. When that happens, you have to wonder whether their religious beliefs had something to do with it. Did they behead the non-believers, for example? I’m not saying Sri Lanka will become Saudi Arabia. I just don’t want to take the chance of letting it become Pakistan.
7. Bullshit. Sinhalese don’t own the country anymore than anyone else owns it. They are not the true owners of this country, unless everyone else living here are true owners as well. I can give a diddly squat about Sinhala Buddhist heritage. I just think living under a government of theirs is better than living under a government running on Islamic principles. This is what some secular morons don’t realize. If you can’t get the whole thing, you have to compromise for the while being.

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sach
2013-01-23 20:16:27

Exactly. The reason is our country is not functional. Those who do frauds get away whatever their religion or ethnicity is if they have the right connections.

MR has realized that he has lost some popularity even among sinhalese after impeachment of CJ. So he is basically trying to score some points by using religous intolerance in the country.

 
Gungan
2013-01-23 20:51:43

The bigger problem we have in Sri Lanka is growth of Buddhist fundamentalism. Unfortunately this is happening with tacit support of the current regime as whipping up religious passion and show casing Buddhism being under threat has takers among MR’s village voter base and will keep them in power hood winking the masses of other more serious governance issues.

 
rajivmw
2013-01-23 21:05:59

Sharanga,

The words ‘Buddhistophobia’and ‘Hinduphobia’do not exist in the English language largely because the English-speaking world has never really faced a direct challenge from these two religious groups. On the other hand, the enmity between Christians and Muslims is an ancient one, involving territorial grudges as much as theology. The fact that there is such a word as Íslamaphobia’ says as much about the West’s record as it does about Islam.

Here are a few more pertinent facts:

The spread of Islam didn’t happen solely due to wars. The world’s largest Muslim country is Indonesia and it was never conquered by Muslim invaders. Nor was Malaysia. Nor for that matter was Sri Lanka. No one was beheaded for not converting to Islam here.

Muslim countries do tend to have higher population growth rates. But is that because of Islam? Or is it that many of them are relatively poor and young, with the attendant effects on fertility, education and family planning? Look at Hindu-majority India – it seems to be growing at a faster clip than most Middle Eastern countries. Largely Christian sub-Saharan Africa is growing even faster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_and_future_population

With regards to Sri Lanka, it’s worth noting that while the Muslim percentage of the population has grown, so has the percentage of Sinhalese. But more to the point, when exactly are you expecting the Muslims to become the majority? I doubt it will happen in your lifetime, so I’d be much more concerned with some other pressing issues that face this country (such as blind prejudice).

In fact, I suspect that the Muslim growth in SL rate has already slowed down, and currently does not exceed the Sinhalese growth rate by as much as you imagine. One thing is for sure though: a lot of the current hysteria has to do with the increase of the Muslim population in the Colombo area. That’s much more a result of internal migration than ‘overbreeding’.

But let me humour you. Let’s just say that the Muslims do become the majority next Tuesday. On what basis do you think we’ll all be living under Sharia law come Wednesday? Of the multitudes of Muslim-majority states in the world today, only a handful use legal systems based mainly on Sharia, and even fewer impose it on non-Muslims. So what ‘known facts’ are you ‘extrapolating’ from?

Finally, let me propose a solution to the problem that seems to be vexing you, even though it’s largely imaginary. What is to be done? The answer is not to privilege a particular religious group or victimize another. The answer is secularization, where Sri Lankans begin to place greater faith in science and reason over superstition and emotion. It’ll take time and a fair bit of struggle, but changing economic and social structures will help the process along.

realist
2013-01-23 22:01:00

I think Sharanga is now going to just call you a moron….

2013-01-24 16:05:50

@realist

Oh no. I usually reserve the term moron for people like you, who either are sore losers who attack me simply because they lost an argument, or people can’t understand something simple like elementary statistics, or people who talk about a “Copenhagen consistent histories interpretation of Quantum Mechanics that majority of those who studied physics believe” (jeez. Where’s your fellow moron the way of the dodo?). Simply diagreeing with me is not enough to win the privilege of being called a moron by me.

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okay
2013-01-23 22:35:28

beautiful answer.
Thank you!.

Particularly poignant was your point regarding the higher growth rate being attributed to the fact that parts of the muslim demographic
are poor, have little education and in turn are at the bottom of society- but this is duly changing and growth rate is may well stagnate quite quickly.

 
MifK
2013-01-24 03:34:07

Damn, thank goodness for kp & you. For a moment I was wondering which was a greater nuisance. This issue or Sharangas ‘extrapolation’.

Toffees that cause infertility – Would love to meet the person who came up with that.

Bravo Indi on the write up. This stuff needs to be addressed. And then explained to ‘extrapolators’.

As serious as it is. Some of the shit people say and think just cracks me up.

 
2013-01-24 11:14:15

@rajiv
//The words ‘Buddhistophobia’and ‘Hinduphobia’do not exist in the English language largely because the English-speaking world has never really faced a direct challenge from these two religious groups.//

Agree. But that is only because I stated my point in a terribly bad way. So let me try it again. Buddhists have been interacting with Hindus for a very long time, even longer than with Muslims. Buddhists have also fought wars with them, in ancient history as well as up until just three years ago. But none of these wars were of a religious nature. Buddhists never fought a holy war against Hindus. These wars were always political. But when it comes to Islam and Muslims, this is all about religion. More than anything, what Buddhists seem to be protesting is their way of living, and what they believe. Why is that? Why does this religion inspire such antipathy unlike any other religion?

//The spread of Islam didn’t happen solely due to wars. //
Never said that it happened solely due to wars. Why would be I talking about over-breeding if I thought spread of Islam only happen through war?

//The world’s largest Muslim country is Indonesia and it was never conquered by Muslim invaders. Nor was Malaysia. //

This only strengthens my point. They over-breed everyone else in those countries. Muslim traders married into wealthy, elite families in those countries and they grew. If anything, Rajiva, you should be more concerned after learning this because this makes Sri Lanka turning into an Islamic country a high prior probability event, instead of low probability event. Somebody got to do a research on how many countries became Islam simply by overbreeding the rest.

//Muslim countries do tend to have higher population growth rates. But is that because of Islam?//

Really? You don’t think the fact that their religions forbid artificial birth control, and the fact that they are hardcore than rest of the word population has nothing to do with their population growth?

// I doubt it will happen in your lifetime, so I’d be much more concerned with some other pressing issues that face this country (such as blind prejudice).//

I’m pretty sure that it won’t happen in my lifetime, unless I become immortal (which is my plan). But, so what? I care about what’ll happen billions of years from now as well. There’s no doubt blind prejudice can do a lot of harm. But it’s also true that blind political correctness can do harm too. Do you think that the country becoming Islam is good? Have you seen other countries become Islam? Okay, so why not prevent it?

//One thing is for sure though: a lot of the current hysteria has to do with the increase of the Muslim population in the Colombo area. That’s much more a result of internal migration than ‘overbreeding’.//

Good point. And that’s not good either. Political power is everything. It really is not a good idea to let Islam get too much political power. Buddhism having such power is bad enough. Islam having similar amount of power is just plain Orwellian.

//On what basis do you think we’ll all be living under Sharia law come Wednesday?//

Oh goodness, don’t hang on to this one phrase, Sharia law. I just want to say that Islamic country would severely screw up the concept of personal liberty, freedom of expression, and pretty much everything else that Enlightenment created. Don’t you agree?

//So what ‘known facts’ are you ‘extrapolating’ from?//

As I said, read imposing Sharia law as severely screwing up everything that Enlightenment created. Is that extrapolation right?

//The answer is secularization//

Oh no doubt. That’s my plan too, except we haven’t really been very successful at doing that, have we? If anything, this country became more religious after Soma Thero.

 
 
kp
2013-01-23 22:29:43

so… lalith kotelawela defrauded people, so all sinhalese people are bad? harry jayawardena controls a hell of a lot of major corporations in lanka through puppet ceos and shell companies so he can influence the market, so all sinhalese people are bad? because of this, all this violence and hate is justified?

brilliant logic.

kp
2013-01-23 22:45:23

that’s to such up there btw.

 
such
2013-01-24 13:41:06

Isn’t Lalith a Christian? lol.

kp
2013-01-25 00:44:08

i said sinhalese. the fact that you pointed out his religion proves every point i made about you and your ilk.

gentlemen, ladies, i rest my case :)

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suche
2013-01-30 23:40:44

Actually that was in responce to a later comment by you.
kp
2013-01-24 01:36:21
and dont make this about ‘sinhalese’. the sinhala christians want no part of this,

I too rest my case.

 
 
 
 
sack
2013-01-23 23:33:37

What do you suggest the government should do?

Arrest some and file court cases?

 
2013-01-23 23:51:47

RT @indica: No Limit To Anti-Muslim Nonsense: rising racism against the other Sri Lankan minority http://t.co/515x2C7U

 
2013-01-23 23:51:47

RT @indica: No Limit To Anti-Muslim Nonsense: rising racism against the other Sri Lankan minority http://t.co/515x2C7U

 
such
2013-01-24 00:13:43

So name a few then. I cant wait. BTW I think in the front lines it was mainly sinhala/tamil boys dying. Correct me if Im wrong.

 
such
2013-01-24 00:29:28

Okay, take a wander down the high street. How many businesses are muslim, how many are not? They are traders historically and in the present day too. But it seems it is part of their make up to be nice to your face and cheat you at the same time. Money and profit are paramount. The mjority are thus. Perhaps you live under a rock and have never experienced this. I have no problem with Tamil people. I have no issue with muslim people from overseas including maldivians. But the muslim men here are in for an ass kicking if they continue thus. For sure not from poncy vaginas like KP and Rajivmw who are all talk and no trousers, but by real Sinhala/Tamil men. Just wait and see.

kp
2013-01-24 01:31:32

money and profit are paramount in ANY business, mr. real sinhala man. that’s how capitalism works. and you’re just evading the point i made about there being cheats, frauds and downright disgusting men in any race/religion. or maybe you are addressing it, by being an ass yourself.

and here’s a thought: sinhala buddhist folks control the parliament, the police and the justice mechanism by an overwhelming margin. why not use the law of the land to sort all this out? i’ll tell you why: because you have nothing except your ‘manly dick’.

how exactly are they ‘cheating’ you? they have more shops than sinhalese folks? they’re successful. instead of wandering around the street, go to a sinhala shop, ask for something: most of the time they’re not interested, or they simply say “api gawa eka naha”, and thats that. go to a muslim shop, ask for something they dont have, and the man will get it for you even from some other shop down the road. you cant become successful by cheating alone: you need to be able to keep your customers happy. and they do that better, as you say, because they’re traders by nature. so i repeat: what ‘cheating’ is going on here? seems to me this is simply the same insane jealousy that led up to the bias against burghers and tamils in the 50s/60s/70s etc. the same jealousy that makes one sinhala man itch when another is successful.

if im living under a rock, you’re buried six feet under.

 
MifK
2013-01-24 03:47:38

Oh Such, you got yo head so far up your anal cavity that you can’t see jack. I hope one day when you come out of that hole and broaden your vision, you find reason to see all people as one and find some faith in humanity. Maybe you’ll get tricked by people of differing races n religions…and also helped by people of different races n religions.
Which will consequently blow ur shit-bubble and you may come to realise that they are basically two kinds of people. Good people and bad people aka dickbags. Other differences are insignificant compared to these.

I assume u wouldn’t enjoy being categorized as a ‘poncy vagina’ with no trousers. So let’s leave u on the dickbag side of the line for now.

 
rajivmw
2013-01-24 15:10:07

Such, as far as I can tell, you’re too afraid to take on some asshole merchant by yourself, so you try to rope in your whole race to do the dirty work for you. I’m a Sinhala-Buddhist, and that’s what I call ‘poncy’.

 
 
kp
2013-01-24 01:36:21

and dont make this about ‘sinhalese’. the sinhala christians want no part of this, because they know that when this anti-muslim thing comes to an end, they’re next. they havent exactly forgotten the burnt down churches and the “your ancestors converted, you all are traitors. you will sell us out to the west” attitude the buddhists have towards them.

and how are the tamils suddenly your allies in all of this? pretty interesting morals you all have, considering that while the war was going on, the muslims were your ‘allies’, and now suddenly the tamils are.

have a backbone and call a spade a spade. this is purely sinhala buddhist nationalism. leave the others out of this.

kp
2013-01-24 01:38:06

again, to such.

 
MifK
2013-01-24 03:52:06

It’s just general douchebaggery as Indi would put. I know plenty of Sinhalese buddhist who would want no part of this. If people could just open their eyes and see the greater problems that we are facing as the human race all these overbreeding/infertility toffee nonsense would seem petty.

 
 
Oikos
2013-01-24 02:07:04

Shocking Independent Proof of Rising Islamic Extremism in Sri Lanka

It is no secret to anyone with eyes and ears that Islamic extremism is spreading in the island of Sri Lanka like wildfire. Over the past 10 years the number of mosques and other Islamic religious places has more than doubled. When Islamic extremists forced ‘halal’ on the entire population, the nation succumbed to it helplessly. Only 9.2% of Sri Lanka’s population is Muslims and the Malay population just about 1%. In 2009 a violent mosque attack in Beruwala occurred. It is a stark reminder of the fate that awaits those who don’t comply with Islamic fundamentalism in this island. These are classic cases of extremism taking an upper hand over a civilised democratic society. This pattern is all too common in other countries.

http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2013/01/21/shocking-independent-proof-of-rising-islamic-extremism-in-sri-lanka/

 
Ben
2013-01-24 05:28:37

I can only comment on what I see in the East. When I first visited Kattankudy ten years ago, there was little to mark out the folks there as specifically Muslim; people looked more or less like everyone else in the East. However, now if you go, you see a lot more conservative “Muslim” dress, particularly among women; you even see women with full covering – even the face – in the streets whereas a few years ago you didn’t at all. A female Kattankudy friend of mine says that nowadays she is made to feel very uncomfortable if she doesn’t go out in hijab (scarf and robe version).

I asked a Kattankudy friend why this was. He says that there are several reasons for it, including the LTTE/Muslim conflict as well as the opening of a Saudi-funded Wahabi madrassa in Kattankudy some years back. He also noted that there is a class issue; the upper classes tend not to follow these new trends, whereas the poorer classes, particularly those driven off their land during the conflict, tend to flock to the madrassa-trained-and-inspired imams. It was his belief that all this new-found Wahabi-inspired conservatism is not historically part of Sri Lankan Islam, and that it goes against Sri Lankan Muslim culture, which is traditionally quite relaxed. Lastly, he said that while many civic leaders consider this trend worrying, the politicians play it up. He also noted that the Sufi community (about 10% of the town) has been a lot less influenced by the Wahabi trend. Which makes sense, I suppose. So anyway, that is one Kattankudy mans’ opinion.

There is an interesting parallel between the SL Muslim community and the pre-WWII European Jewish community. Similar professions, similar distrust by the greater society, and similar types of accusations made. Not sure how far you can take the analogy, but the similarities are striking.

 
Mohamed
2013-01-24 07:37:37

1915 Sinhala-Muslim Conflict centenary is nearing. Maybe the extremist want something like that again. I think many Sinhalese will love to loot and plunder Muslims here. That picture looks scary, but mobs like that have been started by lot less than the uncontrolled frenzy propaganda that’s going against Muslims of Sri Lanka now.

I’ve got only one thing to say. I’m a Muslim and I’m a Sri Lankan. This is my country and my only home. I want peace and I want to see everyone live happily. However if you come for my neck, you leave me no choice. I will do what I can against you. Please don’t push us to that situation.

such
2013-01-24 08:40:49

Not had a problem with the Christians yet. Nor with Tamil people (LTTE exempted). But sure, cross me and they can all be next. Just line up. My current warning is muslims learn to behave in this society, give your women more freedom, stop the cheating at business, money ain’t that important. Relax about your religion, Stop talking in that funny language to each other when I turn up to do business with you. You guys speak Sinhala and English. It’s just darn rude. Sinhala Buddhists are not as stupid as you think. We are the majority here, we rule this land and thus it will remain. Work with us. Don’t treat us as fools.

sach
2013-01-24 08:45:45

may be if u stop acting like fools….

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Mohammed
2013-01-24 11:23:04

May god bless you with peace brother.. :)

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2013-01-24 08:35:49

@indica Thank you for this article. I love my country and my people whether they are Sinhala, Tamil or Muslim. Please lets live in harmony.

 
such
2013-01-24 09:08:39

Sach you a god botherer? Maybe we do need another war, multiple targets. If you know what I mean.

 
sach
2013-01-24 09:50:38

i love bothering homophobic idiots like u. If u think we guys are gonna relax and watch if u start burning this country again u are mistaken. I dont think even Gota would allow any mischief go out of hand and most likely anyone who dared to do that would face the bullet.

such
2013-01-24 13:19:37

Not homophobic at all dude. I just call a spade a spade as I see it. Ive said my piece on my impression of muslim men here in SL. Its MY impression but I think its shared by a lot of Sinhalese Buddhist. Cant say much about the muslim ladies as I know so few. If you want to make this about buddhism vs christinanity we can do that too. Bring it you ponce.

sach
2013-01-24 16:50:49

Xenophobic, not homophobic I made a mistake there. You called for violence against people in this country. After 30 years of bloodshed if you are dared to make such a statement, you should really be hunted down and arrested. I wonder why the security apparatus are still hesitant on people like you who fuel the bodu bala fools. I hope you would get some sanity and intelligence for the sake of my country. After all what have you been doing all these years? There was a war against separatism and why couldn’t you go to the front lines and fight? Only key board warriors?

All the ethnicities in SL are racist to an extent. We as a country have not even started to deal with racism and stereotypes as a problem. We need to remove racism from SL and make people understand racism is inherently bad and looked down upon. If that is your perception about muslim men it is your problem and it is wrong to generalize a whole community based on few experiences. I have seen many Sinhala people with that qualities as well as very good natured muslims. Does the 1983 black July make the whole Sinhala people xenophobic and racist?

Don’t talk as an authority over Sinhala Buddhists. I am a Buddhist and I do not share your view. And there are many like me. The problem with Buddhists in my camp is many are reluctant to even argue with you because it is so tiresome and see it as unproductive. They are with the mind set, ‘munta kiala wadak na’. I don’t deny that but I think it is high time we as Sinhalese meet Buddhist extremism head on because it is destroying SL and Sinhala community from within.

“If you want to make this about buddhism vs christinanity we can do that too. Bring it you ponce.”

How did you think that I am Christian? Do you think that I criticize you because I am not Buddhist? Seriously you are out of your mind. If you want a Sinhala Buddhists vs Sinhala Christians thing, it just show how poor you are in intellect. Do you want divisions among Sinhala people? Idiot. You are the least suitable person to lead we Sinhalese let along represent. Do you really think you are achieving anything by insulting muslims? All your BB fellows and its supporters need to get your heads examined very soon.

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AnakinSky
2013-01-24 19:57:14

The Sinhala Christians need the Sinhala Buddhists much more than the Sinhala Buddhists need the Sinhala Christians. On their own the Sinhala Christians are an significant minority outnumbered by the Tamil Hindus, Muslims and even the Tamil Christians. At most Sinhala Christians represent 3-4% of the Sri Lankan population. However, their small numbers do not seem to have an effect on the arrogance of many of its members (as displayed by the likes of Dinuka). Short man syndrome perhaps.

 
sach
2013-01-24 21:14:53

such/anakinsky/ben/………,

This is nothing about anyone being dependant on another one. It is abt making divisions. u idiot!

 
suche
2013-01-30 23:10:45

My mistake. Sach, dude, dont lie, you are neither Sinhalese nor a Buddhist. lol. Its plain to see. And actually I’m not extremist. Just plain annoyed is all. To my mind the recent rise in Buddhist extremism mirrors the rise of muslim extremism in SL. For instance everything is Halal these days. Food, paint brushes, soap you name it. Thats 10% of the population dictating terms to 90% of the population. Halal certificates cost lakhs of rupees renewable each year. Where does this money go? To fund more muslim extremism of course. While the Tamils and Sinhala were busy fighting a stupid 30 year war your (muslim) people where doing the clever thing and quietly tightening your grip on the economy. Smart move dude. But its not check mate yet, not by a long way.

 
 
 
 
2013-01-24 11:58:19

[...] was chatting to Indi about this, and he talks about this a little in his post as well. He thinks Muslims have increasingly appeared to distance themselves from the rest of Sri [...]

 
Tania P.
2013-01-24 14:07:15

Watalappan only?… Biriyani is also superb.

I think the leadership needs to come out and emphasize the message that this country will no longer tolerate racism (pointing to the civil war as a direct result of that in the past).

Muslims and other minorities must also (in their part) make an effort to integrate more and identify with one nation under “Sri Lanka” brand. I have seen plenty of Sri Lankan Muslims backing Pakistan cricket team when Sri Lanka was playing against them in Sri Lanka.

Dinuka
2013-01-24 15:33:01

Brand Sri Lanka? What would you say to a Sinhalese who doesn’t support the SL cricket team i.e. me. What kind of bullshitery is this? I’ a Christian Sinhalese and I don’t care to “integrate” into a community of self-righteous, high horse riding idiots i.e. “Sinhala Buddhists” or extremists as they’d be called anywhere else in the world.
Maybe it’s not the minorities that are pulling this country down? Ever stop to think what that implication means hmmm?

rajivmw
2013-01-24 16:43:36

Dinuka, I’m sorry, but if we’re into sweeping generalizations now, then I’d have to say that for self-righteous, high-horse-riding bullshitery it is you who must take the crown. The record will show that this idea of Christian supremacy has created far bigger problems for the world than the (admittedly oafish) Sinhala-Buddhists ever have. Go ahead and support some Christian team if you must, but please, spare us the sanctimony. They may be lily-white on the outside, but they’re made from the same dirt as the rest of us.

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AnakinSky
2013-01-24 17:17:04

I hate it to break it to you Dinuka but if you are a Christian Sinhalese then you’re already part of a community of self-righteous, high horse riding, fundamentalist idiots. To be honest, I have never met a more self-obsessed group of people with such an inflated sense of superiority in the island (I think it must stem partly from the days when these folk were running the island alongside the colonials, and partly from the exclusivity ideology of Christianity). When it comes to twattery, the Sinhala Anglicans take the cake, followed by sections of the Sinhala Catholics.

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Dave
2013-01-24 15:12:07

I’m not anti muslim ,but i sometimes wonder why is that areas where muslims live have war ,terrorism ,extremism,Bomb blasts ? .But one thing is for sure muslims have made a bad name for them everywhere.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Games-Muslims-Play.htm

http://crombouke.blogspot.in/2010/02/community-cohesion-and-muslims.html

but then there are good and bad people among every community.

 
rajivmw
2013-01-24 16:16:34

Sharangra,

“Why is that? Why does this religion inspire such antipathy unlike any other religion?”

Three main reasons. First is the suspicion of The Other that seems to be part of basic human instinct and that we have yet to overcome. Second is that many parts of the world have inherited certain specific prejudices from the colonial experience, and they are reinforced by our exposure to the Western media. The third is that political frustrations in the post-colonial Middle East have given rise to obnoxious fundamentalist ideologies that have seaped into the larger worldwide Muslim community.

“They over-breed everyone in [Indonesia and Malaysia]…”

I have found no evidence to suggest that this is how these populations became majority Muslim.

“Do you think that the country becoming Islam is good?”

Unlike you I consider this to be neither an imminent nor inevitable possibility. Nor do I believe that fundamentalism and radicalization are necessarily unique or permanent characteristics of Muslim populations. I believe that radicalization can occur in any religious community that nurses a sense of grievance, including my own (I’m a Buddhist). I think it is radicalized religion that poses a threat to country and civilization, rather than any specific religion per se.

“Buddhism having such power is bad enough. Islam having similar amount of power is just plain Orwellian.”

And yet there are Muslim-majority countries that are, in many ways, more liberal, secular and progressive than our own. Turkey and Indonesia come immediately to mind. Malaysia has its issues, but it’s far from being some theo-Orwellian nightmare.

“I just want to say that Islamic country would severely screw up the concept of personal liberty, freedom of expression, and pretty much everything else that Enlightenment created. Don’t you agree?”

Here’s what I honestly think. Predominantly peasant agrarian societies (such as our own) do not greatly value personal liberty, freedom of expression or other enlightenment notions (such as the separation of church and state). The political/social/intellectual regime that derives from them will therefore be of an illiberal nature, and Buddhist-majority Sri Lanka provides as good an example of this as any.

“[Secularization] is my plan too, except we haven’t really been very successful at doing that, have we? If anything, this country became more religious after Soma Thero.”

Urbanization, economic modernization, and the maturing of the emerging middle class will do the job. Have patience. You aim to be an immortal after all… In the meantime, we have to be vigilant about attempts to turn back the clock, and this ludicrous campaign against Muslims strikes me as being just that.

 
Tania P.
2013-01-24 20:11:25

Whether you like it or not, the country is called “Sri Lanka”. Any citizen must subscribe to it – otherwise you may be living in SL but not really Sri Lankan. I never said to subscribe to Singhala identity.

Another way to put it, if you are an ex-Sri Lankan now migrated to Australia (and become an Aussie citizen), you must embrace Australian culture, their values and their way of life. Not bitch about it and still remain a citizen there (which most ex-Sri Lankan seem to love to do) – just love it or leave it.

As for the cricket team, cheering for the team you like is one thing. Heck I even cheer for Aussies when they play Poms. But cheering Pak just because you like the religion (believe me there are people who do that) is something else.

PS: I am not a Buddhist either.

Dinuka
2013-01-25 22:56:12

Ok I’ll give you that. Cheering for a team based on religion is stupid but the fact of the matter is if we don’t have the freedom to cheer for whoever we want to for whatever reason then there’s something fundamentally wrong with that democracy.

The right to criticize is paramount in any democracy and THAT is what is being squashed in this country. Maybe if the majority of this country accepted the fact that there is more to this nation than just Sinhala Buddhism then maybe the minorities won’t feel so marginalized and will WANT to integrate more. Unfortunately the minorities are made to feel like second class citizens in their own god damned county.

rajivmw has misunderstood me and AnakinSky just comes off as an asshat but the fact of the matter is as a SRI LANKAN I’m not made to feel like one because I’m not Buddhist and don’t want to tow this govts line of this being a Buddhist country and the rest should just be lucky to be left alive. This is not how a nation should operate in this century but if that’s the path you want to take then you’ll get no help from me and it’s not because I’m a Christian it’s because I refuse to bow down to extremism in one form or another.
Christians ARE an insufferable lot but nothing is perfect, just like how not all Buddhists in this country are great people or how not all Muslims are saints. But picking the retarded actions of a minority and blowing it out of proportion is not helping anyone either. Why Oh why can’t we all see each other as SRI LANKANS but insist on dividing people based on religion, language, ancestry?

Tania P.
2013-01-29 08:58:06

// Why Oh why can’t we all see each other as SRI LANKANS but insist on dividing people based on religion, language, ancestry? //

This is exactly my point. Sri Lankan identity is not extremism. There may be a few on each side trying to instigate it, but that is to be expected but the authorities must stamp down on such nonsense. “Integrate” to a Sri Lankan identity, not Singhala, Tamil, Muslim or any other identity….

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Satya
2013-01-24 21:28:43

Interesting though SHOCKING website… be warned about the pics.

++++

This homepage is dedicated to spreading information about jihad on Buddhists. It collects sourced examples on Muslim hatred and violence against Buddhists and Buddhism world wide.

Buddhism in Islam

Just as all other non-Muslim groups, Buddhists are considered infidels in Islam. But contrary to Judaism and Christianity, Buddhists do not have a god and nor do they share parts of the old testament with Muslims. While Jews and Christians are allowed to live in Muslim societies, as long as they pay the jizya (Islamic term for protection money), Buddhists only have two choices according to Islam: Converting to Islam or being killed.

This is why Buddhists are highest on Islam’s death list.

Islamic jihad

Muslims are waging jihad against people – Muslims and non-Muslims – all over the world. Since September 11th 2001, Muslims have conducted more than 17.000 violent and usually deadly attacks. Research shows that in average every 5th minute, a Christian is killed by a Muslim for being Christian.

http://www.jihadonbuddhists.org/

 
2013-01-25 08:20:51

Why isn’t my comment appearing here?

2013-01-25 08:24:06

Rajiva,

I like the three reasons you’ve given for as to why Islam inspires such bad feelings in others. But I think the first two don’t matter much. The doesn’t matter because it doesn’t explain why Islam, and not something else. It’s just a general fact about human nature. The second one is good, except I don’t think it matters as much as you’d want to believe. Nevertheless, it’s a good point and I accept that. The third one is dead on. The only problem with that is the use of the term post-colonial. What are trying to say, that obnoxious fundamentalist ideologies didn’t exist in the Middle East in the pre-colonial era? Nonsense. Middle East has always been a war zone, and a good deal of it was because they had a prophet who thought it was a good idea to behead all infidels, execute apostates, and martyr for Islam. They’ve always been a ridiculously hardcore religious people, and while Christians and Jews managed to become modern, they just didn’t, so we still have Muslim men doing the same things they’ve been doing for more than thousand years, like killing infidels and subjugating women.

//Unlike you I consider this to be neither an imminent nor inevitable possibility. //

Oh no. I don’t think it’s imminent. It’d take about 400 years for the number of Muslims surpass the number of Buddhists. But yes, I think it’s inevitable if no one does anything. In the last thirty years, from 1981 census to 2011 census, Muslims grew by more than 65% and Buddhists grew by less than 40%. So here’s my point. They are indeed overbreeding the Buddhists. Buddhists are not paranoid in this regard. You are not paranoid when what you believe is true. Now, it’ll take a long time for the country to become an Islamic theocracy, but that’s not the point. The fact that their population grows faster relative to the growth of other populations means that their influence too is getting stronger and stronger. So it becomes harder and harder to actually stop the country from becoming Islamic. It might take four hundred years for the country to become an Islamic theocracy. But it’ll become a half-Islamic theocrcy in two hundred years, and quater-Islamic theocracy in hundred years (just trying to make my point clear).

//Nor do I believe that fundamentalism and radicalization are necessarily unique or permanent characteristics of Muslim populations.//

Be that as it may, answer this. There is a Muslim and a Tamil. Who is most likely to threaten you with death if you insulted their gods?

//I believe that radicalization can occur in any religious community that nurses a sense of grievance//

Radicalization? What radicalization? Are you saying Osama Bin Laden was a radical? That’s just nonsense. They have a book that they think is holy because it contains the world of god. If you read that book literally, it is pretty clear you should indeed go about killing infidels, martyring and so on. So is it radical to take the word of god literally? Nonsense. Men like Osama have been there for thousands of years. It’s not as if the guy was entirely created by CIA.

//And yet there are Muslim-majority countries that are, in many ways, more liberal, secular and progressive than our own//

I agree. But if Sri Lanka indeed becomes an Islamic country, what do you think is more likely? That it’d become more like Turkey or Pakistan? My bet is on Pakistan. More importantly, why’d you take that risk?

//Here’s what I honestly think. Predominantly peasant agrarian societies (such as our own) do not greatly value personal liberty, freedom of expression or other enlightenment notions //

I agree, although I think that being agrarian has nothing to do with it. No, lot of what’s wrong with countries like ours is that we are not direct descendants of Enlightenment. We got the Enlightenment ideal from colonists. We never came up with ideas ourselves. We never really fought to win them. So yeah, we’re in deep shit. Nonetheless, this is hardly against an argument against what I’m saying. I never said Buddhists are champions of Enlgihtenment. I will say that Buddhists are generally more liberal than Muslims. I mean, there are 100% Muslim countries in the world. What other religion has done that?

2013-01-25 08:28:22

//Urbanization, economic modernization, and the maturing of the emerging middle class will do the job.//

The new socialist movement, the post-moderns and all, they are exactly against all that. The old socialists lost the game on logical, empirical and rational grounds, so they changed the rules of the game. They started to say logic, science and all that was just social constructs. There’s no absolute truth. Science is no different from whatever charlatan tells about the world. They are all just narratives and so on. Some of them, the environmentalist type, are anti-industrialization too. Too much wealth is bad, so free market is bad.

Islam believes in an absolute truth. But it is indeed part of that group. It is the single biggest threat to modernity. See the fact is, compared to four hundred years ago, we are urbanized, we are economically modernized, we indeed have a large middle class. But still, this religious nonsense is going on. So let’s see (gee, I really have to start working on how to become immortal).

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2013-01-25 15:04:21

RT @indica: No Limit To Anti-Muslim Nonsense: rising racism against the other Sri Lankan minority http://t.co/515x2C7U

 
shammi
2013-01-25 22:01:12

LOL at Sharanga’s hysteria over Muslims outnumbering Buddhists in another 400 years.

2013-01-26 07:28:09

lol, at shammi and the rest of the club of morons for not realizing 400 years is not a lot of time, and the fact that Muslims don’t have to outnumber anyone for the country to become Islamic. They are not that big on democracy.

 
 
shammi
2013-01-26 17:57:28

LOL again at what comes across as Sharanga’s envy of the Muslims’ potency at breeding and his paranoia concerning their ability to turn the country in to an Islamic state, even as a minority. What a moron to worry about improbable things like this and not realise that all it takes is a minor natural disaster to wipe him off the face of the earth in an instant, and put paid to his dreams of immortality.

 
Pubudu
2013-01-26 19:04:33

I’m not a racists and i have muslim friends too.But this video will give you and over view of the issue in Spain.Similar thing happening here it seems.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjYeubTpVvE

 
2013-01-27 10:27:36

Lol back at shammi. Just becuase something takes 400 years to happen doesn’t mean it is a low probability event. When they are growing at 65% per thirty years while others grow less than 40%, given no artificial controlling, them becoming the majority is a near certainty.

As for me getting wiped off by a natural disaster, I’m well aware of existential risks to me, and existential risks to humanity. My question is, when you’re talking about improbable events, do you even know what a prediction market is?

 
shammi
2013-01-27 15:00:31

LOL, Sharanga. Who needs statistical theory when common sense is enough to tell you that a greaat many factors could influence and determine the nature of a society 400 years hence, and not just the rate of increase of followers of one religion? The more I hear of your little fears, the funnier it gets.

 
lame
2013-01-28 22:38:19

Would recommend that you learn a little about islam first:
http://blog.ted.com/2012/12/03/6-fascinating-talks-on-better-understanding-islam/

In case you don’t have time for all 6, then start with this talk by a jewish lady’s view on islam.
http://www.ted.com/talks/lesley_hazelton_on_reading_the_koran.html

And while all you racists out there go about hysterically spreading ‘islamaphobia’, please don’t do it in my name. Buddhism has nothing to do with hatred for the haves of this world. your hatred for muslims (moors, malays, borahs, memons, and -yes – sinahala muslims) stems from your sheer jealousy and lack of inner peace – lack of nirvana. I pity you.

 
2013-01-30 11:42:54

The Government gives tacit support to these people. The law turns a blind eye so they are encouraged and continue. Enforce the law, arrest and prosecute people for trespass, assault arson and the problem will abate.

 
such
2013-01-30 22:26:50

My mistake. Sach, dude, dont lie, you are neither Sinhalese nor a Buddhist. lol. Its plain to see. And actually I’m not extremist. Just plain annoyed is all. To my mind the recent rise in Buddhist extremism mirrors the rise of muslim extremism in SL. For instance everything is Halal these days. Food, paint brushes, soap you name it. Thats 10% of the population dictating terms to 90% of the population. Halal certificates cost lakhs of rupees renewable each year. Where does this money go? To fund more muslim extremism of course. While the Tamils and Sinhala were busy fighting a stupid 30 year war your (muslim) people where doing the clever thing and quietly tightening your grip on the economy. Smart move dude. But its not check mate yet, not by a long way.

 
2013-02-20 17:02:01

Preceding all this in Jan last year (2012) there was a campaign (Facebook, SMS Blogs) to get Muslims to boycott Perera and Sons one of the largest Restaurant and Catering chains in Sri Lanka.

http://aadhilnet.blogspot.com/2012/01/why-perera-sons-doesnt-let-acju-inside.html

http://aadhilnet.blogspot.com/2012/01/perera-sons-and-sms-about-fats-of-pigs.html

tastyjujubes
2013-02-20 17:34:56

The campaign is still continuing. There is a daily/weekly forwarding of shops/brands to boycott because either they have refused a halal certificate or do not have one.

 
 
funnypoints
2013-03-13 22:09:41

i don’t think the bbs’s problem is the halal factor.i think they are suffering from a serious case of islamaphobia and they have also got ants in their pants. they would love nothing better than to pick a fight with muslims and start a civil war. and i also have a feeling that they are not going to end here. they would go out of the way to give the muslims hell. thanks to liberal minded sri lankans like you, i think they are not going to succeed!

tastyjujubes
2013-03-13 22:26:48

Well, I do hope they take further action against things like having the azan blaring out five times a day from the neighbourhood mosque, and Muslim fundamentalism.

 
 
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