Looking forward to the spectacle of you matyring yourself as soon as the death penalty is re-instated in Sri Lanka.

I don’t agree to disagree with morons. Death penalty has a deterrent effect, just like all other forms of severe punishment (stoning, beating etc.) have a deterrent effect. It’s true that you can use torture to get false testimonies. But you can use torture to get true ones as well. The simple fact is, torture can make people co-operate. Death is just like that. People fear death, and they would try their best to avoid it.

If you moronic logic is right, it should make no sense to fine a person for reckless driving, and send a criminal who raped an underage girl for, say 7, years, unless law is solely about justice, not deterring crime. One of the points of sending the person who raped a girl to jail for 7 years is because we want to make sure that other potential rapists see what happens if they really commit the crime and avoid doing it. If you think severe punishment does not have that effect, well, you are just being you.

Death deter crime. Torturing, stoning all that shit also deter crime. Of course, there are other concerns like people abusing power, and inefficiencies of the legal system. But that’s no excuse to make moronic claims like death penalty doesn’t work.

I showed statistics how the murder rate of Texas went down dramatically after they implemented the death penalty. Dodo the sore loser has been idiotically trying to prove me wrong by comparing Texas with other states. That’s just plain stupid. It is even more stupid to ask why the murder rate of Texas doesn’t go below the national average, after I have shown that they had to implement death penalty to bring the murder rate down to the national average in the first place, because in 1980, it was far higher than the national average. I discussed all this in that other thread. I made no reference to that thread here until you brought it up here as well. The fact of the matter is, you were convincingly beaten in that thread and you now act like sore losers. A winner doesn’t have to refer to the thread where he won every time he speaks. Only the sore losers do that. So I won’t be talking about that thread in this thread. As far as I’m concerned, I made my point there. I don’t have to bother myself with you sore losers and discuss the whole thing again.

To dodo the sore loser,

Consequentialism doesn’t work only for a moron like you. For a moron like you, the number of random variable that you have to consider is simply too large. So please do me a favour. Hold on to you deontological morals. There’s a reason why god told you “Thou shalt not steal”, and not “Thou shalt not steal unless you have a good reason to steal.” God knew that you are a moron who cannot compute a large number of random variable in your excuse for a brain. So please, stick to those simple rules like don’t steal and don’t kill. Only people like me can do consequentialism right. I never wanted you to be a consequentalist. And for god’s sake, don’t be a consequentialist. Even the thought is scary. Just live by the rules for morons.

This hypothesis has no relevence to to the case of rape in Sri Lanka. The odds on an innocent being convicted here are much higher.

Who said that? Not me. Have you learnt the dodo art of imagining that I said something I didn’t say, and saying stuff that belongs to another thread on this thread?

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates#stateswithvwithout

It shows the murder rate of states that enforce capital punishment vs those that don’t, as well as the percentage difference between the two. in 1990 the percentage difference between them was 5% 2010 the percentage difference is 25%.

Am I smarter than an average person? Yes. I’ve measured my IQ.

Are most others morons? If by most others you mean dodo and realist, yes.

Do I have high morals? Yes, theoretically, as an abstract philosophy. Not that I actually have a superman complex.

Am I willing to use the law in a way that places a few innocent people’s lives at risk? Yes, as a means to an end, because ends do justify the means. I will do it if that’s what I have to do to save a lot of people. What would you do if lives of 20 million people depended on you killing one person after torturing him? You can worship your religion and your deontological morals and let 20 million people die because you don’t want to go to hell. Or you can calculate the consequences and do what needs to be done. I don’t know. You’d probably do a dodo.

Anyway, I’m done dealing with dodo the sore loser, and you trying to protect dodo the sore loser.
Bye.

You’re a moron who doesn’t even know the behaviour of learning curve. The case in Texas is not a learning curve, but you’d know what’s happening if you knew how a learning curve works. There’s a limit, moron. There’s always a limit. Texas had a murder rate that is far far higher than the national average in 1980. By 2000, it was only just above the national average. From there onward, they had maintained that, right there around the national average. You think you can drive the murder rate down to 0 when the national average is 5.4 per 100,000?

You’re a moron, and I don’t want to deal with morons.

Bye

P.S. Refer to my comment made on 2012-07-29 16:44:58 for further information.

you are one who said we are not programmed to want to die.

Moron. I said shammi is not programmed to not want to die, assuming based on the fact that the very high majority of people want to live. Actually, everyone who is reading this, want to live at this exact moment. Their desire to live is greater than the desire to die. That’s why they are not dead yet. I didn’t say everyone wants to live at all times. I certainly hope you kill yourself, if I cannot make a perfect source of information by reversing everything you say.

You’re the one who jumped into the middle of the conversation, saying something completely irrelevant, thinking that I think suicide doesn’t happen. You’re a moron who jumps into conversations and say irrelevant things in a a way that seem relevant. Basically you’re a moron, and I have better stuff to do than prove that moron is a moron.

That straw-man who talks back to you really shouldn’t be doing that, you’re delusional.

I’m starting to wonder whether you and dodo the sore loser are the same person.

But you were willing to take a chance on the life of an innocent person when you asked for the death penalty for rapists despite courts of law not being infallible,

If you don’t think having to pay taxes to keep the guy who murdered a friend of yours is not hurting you, then you can donate some money to me every month. If I have to pay to keep the guy who killed my friend alive, I consider that the law itself is hurting me. Again, if you don’t agree that having to pay for unworthy causes, especially causes that you absolutely hate, is desirable, you can donate a portion of your income to me every month.

and even while studies showed it didn’t have a significant deterrent effect.

That was dodo the sore loser’s moronic statistics knowledge. I showed him and everyone else how Texas had reduced the murder rate after implementing death penalty. Even Carasek agreed that death penalty had a deterrent effect. The issue with him was that he didn’t think that deterrent effect was worth risking few innocent people’s lives, while I thought it was totally worth it. Only a buch of morons including dodo the sore loser thought death penalty has no deterrent effect.

You said something similar about Realist earlier. hmm….

Realist is only wrong 98% of the time. He is actually right about that Hyatt hotel thing. And he doesn’t have an opinion on every single thing in the universe. He’s a moron, but not a spectacular one like dodo the sore loser.

By the way, it was I who jumped in to the conversation between Dodo-the-darling and you. Sorry. I think you owe him an apology.

Dodo the sore loser’s first comment on this thread was Sharanga has written a lot of babble about evolution in his blog, but can’t seem to put 1 + 1 together when it comes to death. Where do you think the rest of the conversation that lead up to the point where he came to the conclusion that I don’t know 1+1 of death happened. Dodo is a sore loser who jumps into other people’s conversations, and say irrelevant things in a way that seems relevant. No, I don’t owe anyone an apology.

But you were willing to take a chance on the life of an innocent person when you asked for the death penalty for rapists despite courts of law not being infallible, and even while studies showed it didn’t have a significant deterrent effect.

P.S.: “Since dodo the sore loser seems to have an opinion on everything in the universe, and have been consistently proven wrong, I wonder whether we can make a perfect source of information by simply reversing his stupidity. You can find out what’s best for everyone by asking him that, and reversing his answer. I’m thinking about doing some research on this.”

You said something similar about Realist earlier. hmm….

P.P.S.: By the way, it was I who jumped in to the conversation between Dodo-the-darling and you. Sorry. I think you owe him an apology.