Dear Rajathuma Bean,
Been to Hyde Park. It’s no big deal. It’s just a place to let various nutters rant and rave. A sort of Angoda-by-the-Thames.

“LTTE never directly harmed British interests” My point exactly. So the hypocrites in the UK only want action taken against terrorism when it affects them and their interests.

The UK has harboured more terrorists than poor old Pakistan, which is currently being flayed alive by the Western media and governments for having harboured OBL.
http://wp.me/pVJuU-7X

We can safely conclude that the LTTE experiment failed, with massive collateral damage to everyone in SL. It doesn’t matter what they wanted, they can’t have it! :)

Oddly the LTTE never managed to gain many recruits from the pro-LTTE diaspora settled in the West, to er.. actually fight in Sri Lanka. In this, the pro-LTTE diaspora were sorely lacking in commitment unlike Albanian & Croatian expats who poured into their ‘native’ countries to fight their enemies.

The pro-LTTE youth of fighting age preferred dancing at Pongu Thamil festivals across Europe rather than getting to the Vanni to dodge bullets. I wonder why?

http://thecarthaginiansolution.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/real-and-play-war.jpg

Of course the MR & Co will eventually fall. The manner of their departure will depend on the level of waste and corruption they achieve.

Do you really believe these one or two well-publicized examples demonstrate intention on the part of the UK establishment to curtail demonstrations?

What would happen if a Tamil person waved an Eelam flag in Pettah? Either your Sinhala-Buddhist Nazi compatriots would stone him to death, or the CID would drag him off to the fourth floor. But in the UK, these people are mostly arrested for “disturbing the peace” and let off with a small fine.

There are many instances of demonstrations being banned and free speech being curtailed in the UK & elsewhere in the West. That arrest (of the peace activists) showed that the UK authorities’ intentions, which was to prevent any further anti Iraq war demonstrations near the Cenotaph. It worked.

During the recent Royal Wedding, the Met Police arrested a bunch of anti-Royalist anarchists who were going to stage a mock Royal beheading. It was only innocent street theatre, no one was going to be harmed, they were going to be waving some black flags and the innocent anarchists got arrested. Another anarchist was arrested “after he started singing “We all live in a fascist regime” to the tune of We All Live In a Yellow Submarine.!

Even better, a Christian preacher was arrested for reciting a number of “sins” referred to in the Bible, including blasphemy, drunkenness and same sex relationships.
http://tinyurl.com/4qnh2jp

What would happen to a person carrying an LTTE flag in Pettah? Given that a bloody war has recently ended, it would be very unwise. He/she may well end up having a long chat on the 4th Floor. It’s true, SL is a rougher country than the UK, although it should be noted that the quality of mercy is generally in low supply after terrorist attacks, as the poor unfortunate, dark-skinned Brazilian electrician found to his cost, when he was shot dead, under the mistaken belief that he was a suicide bomber.

My dear Mango….what would happen if a few people in Siilly Lunket tried to stage a mock beheading of Rajapaksa?

ps. innocent anarchists???

…bring on the isolated incidents…

Dear Rajathuma Bean,

I think you should try this experiment and see what happens. Perhaps you could get a few people together at Lipton Circus, get the foreign media in place and you’ll be assured of your place in history.

I think it may be too early for mock-beheadings of living politicians.

Well Heshan, Tamils got OWNED bigtime in Sri Lanka… so it would be very unwise for them to carry the LTTE flag in Pettah – heck, it didn’t even happen when the LTTE was around. If they did, they would get a smack down.

Cool huh? :)

You must feel very proud of yourself. Now that the LTTE got a good beating, Tamils can NEVER carry flags along Pettah (or anywhere else on the island). If this is what Sinhalese-Buddhism is “accomplishing” in the 21st century, one is left to wonder how it survived 2 millenia. I mean, some nations are sending guys to the moon, others are cloning sheep, others are making cars that drive themselves… but the SINHALA-BUDDHISTS are 100% successful at preventing pesky Dravidian dudes from carrying flags!

Epic.

That’s right, Tamils can NEVER carry LTTE flags in Sri Lanka – well they can, but they would get taught a good lesson if they did :)

Kadavule!! Andawane!!

At least the Sinhalese Buddhist have the highest per-capita income in South Asia and the best HDI indicators.

Oops!

UK terrorist suspect Mahmoud Abu Rideh on hunger strike:

“Mahmoud was in hospital for several weeks in 2008 after seriously attempting suicide by slashing his wrists and taking an overdose in a police station – where he was required to sign on as part of his control order. Abu Rideh then went on a hunger strike for more than 25 days.”

And ironically, after his release, he left the UK to fight NATO troops in Afghanistan, where he was killed by a Democracy-bringing Drone Strike.

http://tinyurl.com/24vrvdf

You could argue that at least he died fighting for his cause; unlike the Eelam youth who were otherwise engaged in 2006-9 and couldn’t quite make it to the Vanni to tango with the SLA.

Just like in SL, people held under indefinite detention under UK anti-terror legislation are literally being driven mad by the Kafaesque nature of their treatment. http://frontierpsychiatrist.co.uk/control-orders/

The most famous ‘fast-unto-the-death’ case in the UK was the IRA’s Bobby Sands who starved himself to death in 1981. Thatcher couldn’t give a damn and her … er.. died.

I’m sure you can do better than that, Mango. Control order means the man had free mobility – he could go wherever he wanted, just had to sign in at the appropriate time. I’m talking about people who have been incarcerated for 15-20 years with no trial whatsoever, or just a sham trial. The guy you mentioned was technically free; the hunger strike was against a control order.

1981? Okay, choose another weapon from your Sinhala-Buddhist arsenal… the world was rather different in 1981. I need not mention what your child rapist pedophile SLA was up to that , all of it well documented on UTHR.

Heshan,

There I was wrongly (again) assuming you had an excellent grasp of English. Mea Culpa.

Control Orders (in the UK context) mean precisely that. No free movement whatsoever. A detainee’s movements and actions are strictly controlled. He has no freedom of movement and association.

• Electronic tagging
• No passport
• Live at one address
• Curfews
• Restrictions on visitors
• No internet
• Attend only one mosque (or place of worship)
• Daily reporting to the police
• Daily monitoring by phone

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12108075

Control Orders are a new invention and designed specifically to counter Jihadi terrorism. The Brits didn’t have indefinite detention and detention without trial (except for a very short period after which it was revoked) during their war against the IRA , who were a relatively sane – compared to the Jihadis.

Mahmoud Abu Rideh (the guy I mentioned) was not technically ‘free’. He was technically and legally ‘unfree’.

Sinhala Buddhist arsenals? Child-raping, paedo SLA? Another brilliant Heshanesque moving the goalposts, when proven wrong, again. Superb!

I like how you always assume a worst-case scenario. Is that the Sri Lankan way or what… anyway, the list of restrictions you provided is a possible list. It doesn’t mean every restriction is applied to every control order. Also, if you check (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_order), you’ll see that control orders are very rare; less than 60 people in 5 years time. Compare this with the hundreds of prisoners at Boosa or Welikade, who have been in the Nibbana queue for 15-20 years now.

Heshan,
What ‘worst-case’ scenario? The facts speak for themselves.

The list of UK Control Order restrictions is an actual list. If you remain unconvinced of basic, uncontroversial facts like the fact that control orders exist, are in force now in the UK and that the restrictions mentioned are enforced on the detainees, that’s not my problem.

The rarity of their application isn’t my point. The fact that they exist at all (in a stable, mature democracy), is. France, Spain, Germany (for instance) don’t have detention without trial. If a govt has evidence against an individual, let it be presented in court. If not, that person has no case to answer. This applies equally to Sri Lanka.

I have no quarrel with you that the people in Boosa and elsewhere must be freed. It’s beyond a disgrace that they’re still being held for so long. This is where HR activists should direct their fire – the GoSL no longer have legitimate reasons for their continued detention without trial. If Mervyn the Vermin is allowed to roam free, why not these detainees? It’s an open goal.

Once again, not all the restrictions you listed are applied to every control order.

The rarity of the application is very important. It means control orders are only applied in special circumstances. It means politicians are not using control orders to wipe out their opponents.

Ahh… time to shift the goal posts again, Heshan. :)

I never said all restrictions apply in every case. The ‘rarity’ argument suggests that you agree with detention without trial for ‘special circumstances’ as the UK does and as SL has already done for many years. Do you ?

The Control Orders are used by the Police (in the UK) to even arrest and harass elected politicians. Surprised?

Damien Green, a senior Tory politician (then in Opposition) was arrested (using the UK’s anti-terror legislation) for making political use of leaked documents – something that all politicians have done.

“That Damian Green was arrested under counter-terrorism legislation is not only scandalous in itself (for, in lieu of further revelations, he was doing nothing like aiding or abetting terrorism), it is a dire warning to us all..”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/dec/01/damian-green-police

In SL of course, the PTA is used by the Police and politicians to harass ordinary citizens and political opponents. How very British of them, no?

The best bit? The UK’s anti-terror laws are so versatile, they were used to seize Iceland’s financial assets during the financial crisis in 2008. GoSL has a lot to learn from the Brits. http://tinyurl.com/3tqexa4

Heshan, you keep getting slapped left and right by Mango.

You have been proved wrong over and over again.

Have the guts to admit you were wrong.

And oh, Sri Lankans have a higher per capita income than Keralites.

@ Mango,

You’re trying hard to put SL and the UK on an equal footing, when it comes to the PTA, but the stats don’t back up your claims. I’ve already pointed out that less than 60 people in the UK have been arrested under their s0-called PTA. You haven’t disputed this point, so I assume you agree. Now let me inform you that virtually every country has draconian laws that can be used during emergency times. But there is a difference between use and abuse . Gothabaya Rajapakse trying to send 3000 Northeast Tamils back to Wanni on a bus is abuse . Using the PTA to appropriate land belonging to Tamils in the North and East is abuse. Arresting and torturing Tamils who don’t possess valid identity cards is abuse. I can go and on; basically, for every example of “abuse” you give in the UK case, I can provide 15-20 examples of abuse relative to the SL context. Once again, the key element is the stats; thus far, you’ve only given isolated examples, which are not indicative of a pattern of abuse.

“You’re trying hard to put SL and the UK on an equal footing, when it comes to the PTA…”

Another deft move by Goal-Post-Shifter-Extraordinaire, Heshan!

Your original and (totally incorrect) statements were:

“Flag-waving and picture displaying are not illegal in the UK. There is no PTA in the UK.“

I’ve proved that that flag-waving and picture displays (glorifying terrorism) are illegal in the UK. Even mock street-theatre (e.g. anarchists trying to disrupt a Royal Wedding) can be made illegal. But the law is applied selectively. i.e. it is NOT enforced against LTTE demos and glorification.

I’ve also conclusively proven that there is an equivalent act to SL’s PTA in the UK called the “The Terrorism Act 2006.”

The uses and abuses of a country’s anti-terrorism legislation depends on the country and the severity of terrorist threat it believes it faces. David has already noted the Groundviews conversation where you were (yet again) proved wrong. Please feel free to carry on making a fool of yourself.

Blacker’s devoted an entire post on his blog about the goal-posting shifting guerilla ‘intellectual’ :) Our exchange a perfect illustration of his thesis. http://tinyurl.com/3vzpg6j

Okay, there is a “PTA” in the UK, but it’s absolutely nothing like what SL has. The proof is in the pudding: only less than 60 people have been arrested under the UK PTA. Your puny attempts to turn the UK into S. Lanka have failed miserably. Now I’ll suppose you quote an incident from 1942? Whatever floats your boat!

A bald guy with a goatee walking around with a camera taking random pictures is indeed suspicious… on the other hand, he was not arrested and detained indefinitely – it looks like he was released pretty quickly.

Heshan,

The point is that people are being arrested under Anti-Terrorism legislation for engaging in perfectly legitimate activity.

“Police questioned an amateur photographer under anti-terrorist legislation and later arrested him, claiming pictures he was taking in a Lancashire town were “suspicious” and constituted “antisocial behaviour”.
Footage recorded on a video camera … shows how police approached him and a fellow photography enthusiast in Accrington town centre. They were told they were being questioned under the Terrorism Act.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/feb/21/photographer-films-anti-terror-arrest

So to your original question about what sort of offences were committed in order to be arrested under the ‘Terrorism Act’, the answer includes ‘looking suspicious.’ I’d better stop in case GoSL read this blog and amend SL’s PTA to include an offence of ‘looking suspicious’.

Less than 70 people in 6 years, from the Wikipedia link I gave. There is no comparison to SL… remember what ex-SLA corporal Somaratne Rajapakse said?

“ We did not kill anyone. We only buried bodies that were sent to us by our superior officers.” He went on to drop the bombshell which even the Court could not have anticipated “We can show you where 300 to 400 bodies have been buried at Chemmani.”

So, there is a big difference between the Sri Lankan PTA being used to create mass graves with hundreds of people, and the very rarely used UK terrorism Act that has resulted in less than 5 deaths and 70 incarcerations over 6 years.

But it has already been proven to you in this discussion http://indi.ca/2011/04/the-un-report-on-sri-lanka/#comments that the PTA itself hasn’t been the cause of any mass graves; but that people breaking the law have. We can take it up again from where you ran away if you like, dumb fuck.

You’ve proved absolutely nothing, other than that the stupidity residing within the confines of your ugly bald muff is unbounded, and not worthy of the attention of a rabies-infested mutt.

Heshan,
I hate to be a pedant, but did you mean to call it a ‘muff’ which is slang for vagina or mistakenly use it as slang alluding to David’s baldness?

Or do you have inside info on whether Blacker’s not a man but is in fact a woman? And if he is woman, that he/she has a shaved vagina (‘muff’) ? And if so, how do you know?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=muff

I wouldn’t be surprised if Blacker is a transvestite; a lot of military personnel in the SLA are sexually dysfunctional.

But transvestites don’t have vaginas, Heshan :D I know English is a bit of a problem area for you, but do you need to publicly embarrass yourself like this?

You also say that my ideas are not worthy of the attention of a rabid mutt — is that why you don’t pay any attention? :D

Dear Heshan,

I presume you must’ve reached this conclusion (about many SL military personnel being trannies and sexually dysfunctional) by having conducted exhaustive physical examinations on a statistically valid sample from their ranks?

Did you fondle many soldiers in buses and trains ?

Given your proven reliance on facts to buttress your arguments, I’d expect nothing less than a peer-reviewed scientific study on this matter, with you as first author.

Dear Mango,

I guess you didn’t hear about the 114 Sons of The Soil kicked out from Haiti, for offering Kama Sutra lessons to underage girls?

I presume you’re the type that believes the war, sorry humanitarian operation was won without firing a single shot at civilians? According to the Hambantota Village Chief, the soldiers even had a “human rights charter” under one arm!

You must also have missed the Wikileaks revelation about SLA running post-war prostitution rackets?

Now the story about the 114 HOOmanitarian Sons of The Soil being kicked out from Haiti, actually did happen.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/dec/17/20061217-122119-4767r/

…and Heshan, according to Blocker…oops sorry I meant Blacker and Co. the HOOmanitarian Apparition was actually won WITHOUT firing a single shot or a SINGLE cluster bomb being dropped on Tamil civilians (pronounced terrorists).

ps. the soldiers had a HOOman rights charter under one arm, a bottle of arrack under the other arm and a couple of dozen condoms in their trouser pockets.

And according to the Famous Chinamen Sun Tzu Paksha, in his book of 13 chapters called, The Art of HOOmanitarian War,”

“Enemies are bad, we are good – therefore nobody will mind if we do horrible things to them except ‘International Conspirators’ and other such people.”

“For one to be successful in war, one must yell ‘JAYA WAY WAA’ every time one kills an enemy”.

“The high ground is easier to defend, and easier to attack from. The low ground, on the other hand, is often wet and full of dengue mosquitoes.

http://srilankalandoftheblind.blogspot.com/2011/02/often-quoted-quotes-by-sun-tzu-paksha.html

Dear Heshan,

We know all about the SLA troopers who brought disgrace to their units with those illegal acts. I’d never defend their actions and they weren’t punished enough. Similarly, I’ve never attempted to defend the ‘zero civilian casualties’ drivel, because it’s rubbish. Thousands of civilians were killed. Various SL govts and the armed forces have engaged in torture, assassination, abduction and general human rights abuses. All, sadly standard practice in counter-insurgency warfare. Who’d deny that – except politicians? But never fear, SL is a long, long way from achieving the high scores the West has.

http://thecarthaginiansolution.wordpress.com/2011/02/13/sri-lanka-can-never-beat-the-west/

And now you tell us that segments of the SL armed forces engage in illegal behaviour. I’m shocked, just shocked.

Anyway, I look forward to your peer-reviewed paper on sexual dysfunction and transvestitism in the Sri Lankan armed forces, authored by you with extensive field notes and irrefutable facts of the type you employed so successfully to argue that Hitler in fact won World War 2. Don’t keep your eager audience in suspense. Get to work, Heshan. Perhaps a trip to Boosa Camp might get the ball rolling…. .

Dear Mango,

I see you have come up with the standard Sinhala-Buddhist argument: admit the SLA did everything, don’t support any investigation into said incidents, and ask the opposing side what the West was upto in 1007 A.D.

Perhaps if an actual investigation into SLA atrocities took place, you would be more than *just shocked.”

Isn’t it logical to presume those 114 SLA pedophiles came from Haiti, and were sent straight to Jaffna? I have studied enough about psychopaths to know they can’t stop . When the urge comes to kill or rape, the desire is simply overwhelming. Your friends in the SLA are no different. Read tamilnet starting from 1995; the horror stories are all there.

Heshan, can you stop your Christian priests from raping little boys first? Start with Rayappu Josepsh – the typical Tamil Christian priest.

Dear Heshan,
Your obsession with SBN (Sinhala Buddhist Nazis) is quite amusing if rather odd and seems to be mutating into an unhealthy obsession :) My comparison of rights abuses in insurgencies is not predicated on any religion; I’ve only compared the West’s military record for the same time period as Sri Lanka’s Eelam Wars 1-4. It’s quite simple, really.

We’ve already seen Blacker deal with your SLA crimes & punishments saga, so why flog that particular dead horse (or donkey)? Interesting that on the basis of some members of a group committing crimes, you automatically assume that all other members of the group are equally capable of committing the same crimes. Isn’t that what white racists say about black thieves and muggers to paint all blacks as potential thieves and muggers?

So, not only are you an as-yet-undiscovered historian of repute (“Hitler actually won WW2″) and respected geo-political theorist (“North Korea is not a member of the UN.”), but you’re also a genius criminlogist. Is there no end to your talents?

Anyway, how’s your paper on ‘Sexual Dysfunction and Transvestitism in the Sri Lankan Armed Forces’, progressing?

Hi Mango,

There’s no comparison between the military record of the West and the military record of the SLA. In SL, they hang you upside down from your toes, stuff chili peppers in your nose, cut you with razors, attach electrodes to your scalp (and then pass current), etc. This is what goes on at Boosa, 4th floor CID, etc, places which journalists have zero access to.

At Guantanamo Bay they use “sleep deprivation”, which consists of loud music which keeps you awake for days and days. They also use “waterboarding”, which is basically a “simulated” form of drowning; you feel like you’re drowning, but you’re not. If the Americans want to actually torture someone, they don’t it themselves, they ship the person off to a place like Egypt and Pakistan and those those people do the brutal torturing. The Arabs are master torturers; Saddam Hussein’s torture chambers make Abu Grahib look like Disneyland.

Blacker hasn’t really dealt with anything, in case you noticed. Using Blacker as a reference to support your argument is no different than listing Harry Potter.

Regarding Hitler “winning” WWII, again, you are quoting it out of context. This is what I said:

DJ’s point only appeals to weak minds that cannot conceive of history as a continuum. Hitler conquered far more of Europe than Napolean – in fact, Hitler conquered far more territory – extending from Africa to Europe to Asia – than any “victorious” European ruler before him. Which means that in terms of sheer conquest, Hitler outdid them all by leaps and bounds. So in this sense, he is a “victor” indeed – but the victory ended after he made the wrong enemies, e.g. Soviet Union and USA. This is a clear case of the victor being punished. The British did not have to fight the Germans – Hitler offered them a peace deal in 1940. If the British had taken the offer, the USA would not have entered the war – at least not in Europe. Where would the USA have sent its troops?

http://groundviews.org/2011/02/20/the-curious-case-of-diplomats-that-%E2%80%98internal-conflict%E2%80%99/

Unfortunately, people like yourself and Blacker are only capable of black-and-white thinking. That’s why when Mahinda says there are only terrorists and those who love the motherland , you fall for the bait hook, line, and sinker.

The paragraph given below is taken from William L. Shirers “THE RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD REICH”
When reading it, substitute the word Sri Lankans for Germans
substitute the words Rajapaksa officials for Nazi officials
substitute the words Rajapaksa sources for Nazi sources
substitute the names Rajapaksa for Hitler and Goat Abaya for Goebbels

I myself was to experience how easily one is taken in by a lying and censored press and radio in a totalitarian state. Though unlike most Germans I had daily access to foreign newspapers, especially those of London, Paris and Zurich,which arrived the day after publication, and though I listened regularly to the BBC and other foreign broadcasts, my job necessitated the spending of many hours a day in combing the German press, checking the German radio, conferring with Nazi officials and going to party meetings. It was surprising and sometimes consternating to find that notwithstanding the opportunities I had to learn the facts and despite one’s inherent distrust of what one learned from Nazi sources,a steady diet over the years of falsifications and distortions made a certain impression on one’s mind and often misled it. No one who has not lived for years in a totalitarian land can possibly conceive how difficult it is to escape the dread consequences of a regime’s calculated and incessant propaganda. Often in a German home or office or sometimes in a casual conversation with a stranger in a restaurant, a beer hall, a cafe, I would meet with the most outlandish assertions from seemingly educated and intelligent persons. It was obvious that they were parroting some piece of nonsense they had heard on the radio or read in the newspapers. Sometimes one was tempted to say as much, but on such occasions one was met with such a stare of incredulity, such a shock of silence, as if one had blasphemed the Almighty, that one realized how useless it was even to try to make contact with a mind which had become warped and for whom the facts of life had become what Hitler and Goebbels, with their cynical disregard for truth, said they were.

Nato forces kill 52 Afghan civilians and police, say officials

http://www.english.rfi.fr/asia-pacific/20110529-nato-forces-kill-54-afghan-civilians-and-police-say-officials

Rajapakse regime is more fascist than National Socialist. But anyway, anyone who thinks Mahinda isn’t screwing up the country should read George Orwell’s 1984 and Animal Farm.

We don’t know what goes on in Gitmo cos we don’t know if journos are seeing the whole place. We do know what happened at Abu Ghraib where journos weren’t allowed, and believe me I can’t see much difference between that place and your version of Boossa. We also know that the majority of the accused in AG were let off with no jail time or served less than a year. We’ve been through all this before and I’m quite prepared to link to that previous discussion ;)

Mango, you also forgot that Heshan claimed the US won the Vietnam War.

In Haiti, the charges were statutory rape, not paedophelia, child abuse or rape. I know that like the 40,000 death stat this is rapidly being accepted as fact, but that doesn’t change the fact that it isn’t. The troops basically had sex with underage prostitutes, and that’s it.

Dear Heshan,

I’m surprised that someone as intelligent as you failed to spot the comparion. You say “if the Americans want to actually torture someone, they don’t it themselves, they ship the person off to a place like Egypt ..” My point exactly. Morally, logically and philosophically there’s no difference. Sri Lanka is honest enough to keep the torturing, in-house. Thank you for making my point for me, even better than I did! :)

So, Western bloc countries just don’t like getting their hands dirty and instead pay some Third Worlder to do the dirty work. It’s a logical continuation of their policy of outsourcing dirty (non-torture related) jobs in the West. e.g. fruit picking by Mexicans in California, street cleaning by Africans in Europe etc.
Guantanamo is not real torture (like at Boosa, Afghanistan, Pakistan & Egypt), it’s just mild shock stuff like waterboarding and being forced to listen to Bon Jovi – not sure which is worse.

Here’s a superb two-part BBC documentary called “The Secret War On Terror” by Peter Taylor. Credit to the US spokesmen for being honest – unlike the slimy, dissembling Brits who pretend that they haven’t used information gained through torture. :)
Both episodes are here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOXLJTiEU68

Best quote (for me), is Phil Mudd, CIA “… identify the target and eliminate them so more people don’t die.” Other senior US intel people honestly admit that torture works.

In SL, the SLA (allegedly) had a “Human Rights Charter” (the paperback version) under one arm. NATO forces kept their copies on Kindles.

Thanks also for reminding us of your bruising encounter with Blacker. Absolutely priceless. I can’t speak for Blacker, but I’m quite capable of distinguishing between black, white a variety of shades of grey, in between and who believes everything Mahinda says?

@ Mango,

I’m glad you accept that Western armies don’t torture on any scale comparable to what goes on in the “Third-World.” While I don’t, as a matter of personal taste, condone torture, I concede that it is justifiable if there are laws that says it’s okay. In Saudi Arabia, for example, the law says it’s okay to cut off a thief’s hand or behead a murderer. As a long as a person residing within the boundaries of said location is given prior notification of such laws, one cannot really argue against the latter on any objective grounds.

There is no law that says torture is okay in Sri Lanka. But certain laws such as the PTA and ER do two things: (I) increase the likelihood that torture will occur, (II) makes it easy to get away with torture. I would say it’s the fact that torture occurs with impunity in SL, that bothers a lot of people, as opposed to the act of torture alone.

Given that in fact Alexander conquered more territory than Hitler, a fact that Heshan became aware of only after it was pointed out to him, but which he continues to ignore while justifying his ascertainment of Hitler’s victory, the criteria for Hitler being a victor still remains limited to the dark but nevertheless shallow recesses of Heshan’s mind :D

It was Genghis Khan, Mongol leader who conquered almost 20 million kms.

Second was Alexander, whose areas exceeded 5 million kms.

Third was Adolf Hitler, who at the height of the expansion of Nazi Germany came to control more than 3 million kms, going past Napoleon Bonaparte, who conquered about 2 million kms.

Fourth comes Mahinda ‘Jilmart’ Rajapaksa who captured a couple of thousand sq kilometers…but was never able to capture the hearts and minds of the people in the areas he conquered…

But not always was a great empire born only of military power alone. That’s what happened, for example, in the case of the British Empire in the 19th century which became the largest empire ever created, with 37 million kms, one quarter of the planet!

Dear Dunce, Gengis Khan wasn’t a European, Alexander was. Prof Heshan’s claim was that Hitler conquered more land than any single European person. I know you love getting your tongue in there, but you’re stepping on it as usual.

Dear Heshan,
And I’m glad that you concede that the West does torture (with impunity) and engage in regular human rights abuses (with impunity) as an integral part of it’s counter-insurgency doctrine. The scale of abuses may be less than SL, but that makes little difference to the person being abused, no?

As you’ve conceded that torture is justifiable as long as the laws of a country allow it, then Sri Lanka has a fantastically easy solution. Create a new piece of legislation, (call it Heshan’s Torture Enabling Act 2011) make it retrospective (e.g. from 1971 to allow for govt excesses in crushing JVP 1) and bingo, all torture in SL will be legal.

Is that OK by you?

It seems that in reality, intelligence work and simple, direct questioning works more effectively than torture.
http://dir.salon.com/story/opinion/feature/2004/06/21/torture_algiers/index2.html

@ Bean:

The size of Alexander’s empire was 2 million square miles, including Greece (http://ebookee.org/Empire-of-Alexander-the-Great-Great-Empires-of-the-Past-_443753.html).

The size of the Nazi Empire was 2357901.7 square miles, including Germany, and not including New Swabia in Antarctica (I am unable to figure out the size of New Swabia).

So Hitler was indeed the greatest European conqueror, outdoing Alexander and all others.

Nazi German Empire:

Austria: 32378 sq mi

Luxembourg: 998 sq mi

Denmark: 16621 sq mi

Poland: 120726 sq mi

Czech Republic: 48434 sq mi

Latvia: 40136 sq mi

Estonia: 17,462 sq mi

Novgorod Oblast: 29691.3 sq mi

Pskov Oblast: 21,351.4 sq mi

Belarus: 80150 sq mi

Ukraine: 233000 sq mi

Greece: 50942 sq mi

Germany: 137,847 sq mi

Hungary: 35919 sq mi

Tunisia: 63170 sq mi

Romania: 91699 sq mi

Belgium: 11780 sq mi

Norway: 125182 sq mi

Yugoslavia: 34,136 sq mi

Albania: 11100 sq mi

Morocco: 172414 sq mi

Tunisia: 63170 sq mi

Algeria: 919595 sq mi

I compiled the numbers for Nazi Germany myself, based on all the territory that Germany invaded, occupied, and or ruled by proxy.

I double counted Tunisia, but the difference is negligible.

@ Mango:

The West itself doesn’t torture, the West outsources the torture. In a Court of Law, the difference is monumental. The guy who pulled the trigger can be executed, while the “accessory” to the murder can get away with 25 years imprisonment.

Also, the West does not torture on any large-scale. Only “high-value” suspects are sent to the Arabs/Pakistanis to be tortured, e.g. Sheik Khalid Mohammed.

I agree that Sri Lanka should amend it’s laws to allow torture. Refer to my earlier posts; I have suggested doing away with the Constitution altogether, crowning Rajapakse “King”, and withdrawing from the United Nations. Show the world the true face of Sinhala-Buddhism!

By the way, Mango, it looks like the big nations have skipped out on the “Genocidal Conference”:

http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/World/Story/A1Story20110530-281544.html

Dear Heshan,

Proving you wrong is a target-rich environment.

In Western outsourced torture, Western governments [US/UK etc] give direct orders to foreign suppliers (Egypt, Pakistan et al) to torture suspects delivered to them. Under US Law (certain states e.g. North Carolina), “Accessory before fact punishable as principal felon.”

“All distinctions between accessories before the fact and principals to the commission of a felony are abolished. Every person who heretofore would have been guilty as an accessory before the fact to any felony shall be guilty and punishable as a principal to that felony.” http://tinyurl.com/3hxxox2

i.e. the guy who pulls the trigger [Pakistan] has been ordered to do so by his boss [the US]. Under US law, both the boss and the assassin are equally guilty. “All distinctions between accessories before the fact and principals to the commission of a felony are abolished.

Whether the West tortures on a large or small scale is irrelevant. That it does so at all (whilst lecturing others from its’ supposed moral high ground) is wrong and as wrong as when SL does it. That you seek to defend the torture of ‘high-value’ targets by the West whilst simultaneously excoriating SL for doing the same is simply brilliant.

I’ve updated my ‘Heshan Slap List’ to include David’s note of your unique Vietnam War discovery and why torture is good.

Heshan says: “North Korea is not a member of the UN.” Slap!
Heshan says: “US won the Vietnam War.” Slap!
Heshan says: “Neither England nor Germany nor India have a President.” Slap!
Heshan says: “Ranil Wickramasinghe wasn’t elected in 2001.” Slap!
Heshan says: “Hitler actually won WW2.” Slap!
Heshan says: “Japan doesn’t have a military.” Slap!
Heshan says: “Neo-Nazis are allowed use Nazi symbols they wish.” Slap!
Heshan says: “There is no PTA in the UK.” Slap!
Here’s the slap video again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0GW0Vnr9Yc

p.s. Buddhism in its’ various forms will survive your attacks. Whether you survive your own woeful ignorance is another matter altogether.

Heshan laments “By the way, Mango, it looks like the big nations have skipped out on the “Genocidal Conference”:

The US and its allies are too busy trying to find a strategy for the AfPak quagmire to come to Colombo and listen to Gota gloat. Just look at their complicated, sophisticated First World strategy, here: http://tinyurl.com/3a6sblh

What could the SL defence establishment possibly teach them? No fancy computers, no Powerpoint, no super-computer war gaming simulations. Nothing.
http://tinyurl.com/3nup3j7

@ Mango,

Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance of how the law works. By the way, in addition to being a government school prodigy, are you a standardization prodigy as well?

Accessory

In Criminal Law, contributing to or aiding in the commission of a crime. One who, without being present at the commission of an offense, becomes guilty of such offense, not as a chief actor, but as a participant, as by command, advice, instigation, or concealment; either before or after the fact or commission.

One who aids, abets, commands, or counsels another in the commission of a crime.

In common law, an accessory could not be found guilty unless the actual perpetrator was convicted. In most U.S. jurisdictions today, however, an accessory can be convicted even if the principal actor is not arrested or is acquitted. The prosecution must establish that the accessory in some way instigated, furthered, or concealed the crime. Typically, punishment for a convicted accessory is not as severe as that for the perpetrator.

An accessory must knowingly promote or contribute to the crime. In other words, she or he must aid or encourage the offense deliberately, not accidentally. The accessory may withdraw from the crime by denouncing the plans, refusing to assist with the crime, contacting the police, or trying to stop the crime from occurring.

An accessory before the fact is someone behind the scenes who orders a crime or helps another person commit it. Many jurisdictions now refer to accessories before the fact as parties to the crime or even accomplices. This substitution of terms can be confusing because accessories are fundamentally different from accomplices. Strictly speaking, whereas an Accomplice may be present at the crime scene, an accessory may not. Also, an accomplice generally is considered to be as guilty of the crime as the perpetrator, whereas an accessory has traditionally received a lighter punishment .

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/accessory

The distinction between accessory and principal perpetrator is not abolished, contrary to the claims of three-celled Sinhala-Buddhist imagination. Here’s another one:

Federal law states that a person who is convicted of an accessory crime shall be subject to a penalty that does not exceed half of the maximum incarceration or fine for the principle act of the crime.

http://www.criminal-law-lawyer-source.com/terms/accessory.html

Speaking of slaps, :

GENEVA – A U.N. human rights expert says gruesome new footage from the final days of Sri Lanka’s civil war is authentic and proves war crimes took place there, challenging the government’s claim that videos showing the army executing captured rebels in May 2009 are faked.

Of course, in the proud tradition of Sinhala-Buddhism, GOSL will not accept the evidence and no investigation will be conducted into said incident. Which just proves my point that soldiers in the Sorry Lankan Army (SLA) have a greater incentive to murder, torture, rape, and kill, given the prevailing climate of impunity .

Sinhala-Buddhism will survive? Sinhala-Buddhism is a monumental failure. Buddha would reject it 100% if he were alive. Ask the refugees who sneak on ships, risking their lives for weeks without proper food and water, to get to the West, what they think of Sinhala-Buddhism.

Dear Heshan,
Read my previous comment more slowly, one word at a time and you’ll realise that I’m quoting directly from North Carolina statues:

“All distinctions between accessories before the fact and principals to the commission of a felony are abolished. Every person who heretofore would have been guilty as an accessory before the fact to any felony shall be guilty and punishable as a principal to that felony.” http://tinyurl.com/3hxxox2

Shall I re-phrase that? There is no difference between a principal and an accessory under NC law and both will receive equal punishment. Other legal systems differ, of course. But it disproves your assertion that the the principal and and accessory are treated differently — (i.e. the accessory more leniently than the principal). In NC (and WV), they’re treated equally.

In NC state law, the distinction between accessory and principal perpetrator HAS been abolished. Shall I phrase that sentence in a different way? North Carolina has eliminated the distinction between accessory before the fact and the principal (except for capital crimes). http://tinyurl.com/3jv7xxz

This is an established (US) legal statue. It has nothing to do with your bizarre obsession with Sinhala Buddhists.

Then you condemn SLA soldiers for torture, yet you explicitly condone torture, as long as the object of torture is a sufficiently ‘high value’ Jihadi terrorist. Would you care to explain this logical contradiction?
Interesting goal post shifting, blaming economic refugees from Sri Lanka on Sri Lanka’s version of Buddhism.

Proving you wrong is like picking off low-hanging fruit in a target-rich environment. The Prodigy of Wrongness, Heshan strikes again.

@ Mango,

You’re a real idiot. Do you know the difference between federal law and state law? Federal law trumps state law. This is what the federal law says:

Federal law states that a person who is convicted of an accessory crime shall be subject to a penalty that does not exceed half of the maximum incarceration or fine for the principle act of the crime.

http://www.criminal-law-lawyer-source.com/terms/accessory.html

Go suck a monk’s dick if you still can’t comprehend.

This means of course, that any federal law–even a regulation of a federal agency–trumps any

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/preemption.htm

This means of course, that any federal law–even a regulation of a federal agency–trumps any conflicting state law

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/preemption.htm

@ Mango:

Apologies, I forgot you live in Silly Lunket, where laws are equivalent to a cabinet full of antique china. Here in the States the Constitution is based on something called “checks and balances.” The idea is to prevent a single entity from becoming too powerful. That’s why there are state laws and federal laws. Federal laws trump state laws.

Dear Heshan,

Of course US federal law trumps US state law. The point is that in some Western countries, the concept of both the principal and accessory to a crime being equally culpable has been overturned. In the UK, Section 8 of the Accessories and Abettors Act has been amended to ensure that both will receive equal punishment. [A good tip for Gota when he amends SL's version of this act, no?]

“Whosoever shall aid, abet, counsel, or procure the commission of any indictable offence, … shall be liable to be.. punished as a principal offender.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessories_and_Abettors_Act_1861

The guy who pulls the trigger [Pakistan] has been ordered to do so by his boss [the US]. Under UK (& US State law), both the boss and the assassin are equally guilty.

Now, what was that about “sucking monks’ dicks?” Is that something you had to do?

My slapping arm’s getting tired of proving you wrong. Is there no beginning to your talents for being wrong?

Apologies – the above should read:

The point is that in some Western countries, the concept of both the principal and accessory to a crime being equally culpable has been recognised.

Come on man, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, in that you’re not an idiot. Now you come along and prove me wrong.

This is what the North Carolina law says:

§ 14-5.2. Accessory before fact punishable as principal felon

All distinctions between accessories before the fact and principals to the commission of a felony are abolished. Every person who heretofore would have been guilty as an accessory before the fact to any felony shall be guilty and punishable as a principal to that felony. However, if a person who heretofore would have been guilty and punishable as an accessory before the fact is convicted of a capital felony, and the jury finds that his conviction was based solely on the uncorroborated testimony of one or more principals, coconspirators, or accessories to the crime, he shall be guilty of a Class B2 felony.

http://www.chetson.com/2010/03/north-carolina-lawyer-accessory-before-the-fact/

In other words, if the accessory is involved in a capital felony, he’ll still get a lighter sentence. In other words, the principle and the felony are not considered equally guilty when it comes to capital felonies, under North Carolina law.

Now I see that you’ve gone and dug up some outdated irrelevant rubbish about UK law.

Here is the outcome of an actual murder trial in the UK:

Accomplices to murder are jailed
Deborah Jane Townsend
Ms Townsend was run down from behind

Two Essex men have been jailed for helping to cover up the murder of a woman by her businessman fiancee.

Deborah Townsend, 35, was killed near Lowestoft, Suffolk, in July 2005 by Christopher Caunter, who drove his Land Rover over her head as she lay injured.

For assisting an offender, Caunter’s brother Robert Caunter, 39, of Barking, was sentenced to three years in jail.

Joseph Brown, 39, of Romford, was sentenced to two years imprisonment at Ipswich Crown Court on the same charge.

Christopher Caunter was sentenced to life in prison last month for the murder of Ms Townsend.

The judge told him he would serve a minimum of 21 years.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7797088.stm

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The accessories to the murder got 3 years each, while the murderer was sentenced to life in prison. This is exactly what I said earlier; the accessory, in almost every instance, will receive a lighter sentence.

If you still can’t understand this basic point, I suggest you jump off Kelaniya Bridge.

Slight typo there: In other words, the accessory and the principle felon are not considered equally guilty when it comes to capital felonies, under North Carolina law.

Dear Heshan,

The point you’re stubbornly resisting accepting is that in some Western countries, the concept of both the principal and accessory to a crime being equally culpable has been recognised.

As expected, the Heshanesque goal-post shifting has begun. In NC, capitol felonies are exempted. Is torture a capital felony?

In the UK, the category of ‘capital felony’ doesn’t exist. The UK law I quoted is the update to their original act. How did you fail to spot that?

The fact that sentencing judges determine a tariff according the circumstances of each case does not detract from the fact that in the UK, Section 8 of the Accessories and Abettors Act has been amended to ensure that both will receive equal punishment.

I refer my dishonourable, ignorant, unlearned colleague Heshan to this interesting case, R v. Delaney [1994] where the principal received same sentence as associate even though committing less crimes and stealing less property. Ah, these damned English judges are so unreliable in their sentencing policy, no? :)
http://tinyurl.com/3dt4xn6

The earth still revolves around the sun, Heshan is still wrong, refuses to accept that he’s wrong and blames a Sinhala Buddhist conspiracy :)

@ Mango,

And I’ve already pointed that despite such recognition, the accessory is still usually given a lighter sentence.

I gave an example from the UK law that has nothing to do with capital felony. The example I gave is a countexample to your claim that the principle and accessory are equally culpable.

R v. Delaney – looks like you failed to read the fine print :

In so arguing counsel was invoking the well known line of authority in which it has been held that where one co-accused has been treated with undue leniency another may feel a sense of grievance when he receives a sentence which in isolation is quite justifiable but which is more severe than that imposed upon his associate. Rather than allow such a sense of grievance to persist, the court has on occasion reduced the longer sentence on appeal. It has only done so as a rule where the disparity is very marked and the difference in treatment is so glaring that the court considered that a real sense of grievance was engendered: see R -v- Brown [1975] Crim LR 177.

In this case, the principal and the accessory are considered equally culpable only in cases where there is a great disparity between their sentences (READ THE PART IN BOLD). And the solution is to REDUCE the sentence of the fellow given the longer prison term.

By the way, American soldiers are not tried under North Carolina law, they are tried under US military law (UCMU). This is how the accessory vs. principle is treated:

Maximum punishment. Any person subject to the code who is found guilty as an accessory after the fact to an offense punishable by the code shall be subject to the maximum punishment authorized for the principal offense, except that in no case shall the death penalty nor more than one-half of the maximum confinement authorized for that offense be adjudged, nor shall the period of confinement exceed 10 years in any case, including offenses for which life imprisonment may be adjudged.

I highly recommend your 3-celled Sinhala-Buddhist imagination read and process the whole thing, as opposed to selective portions, like you usually do. It says that the accessory is (I) not subject to the death penalty, (II) DOES NOT have to serve more than 1/2 of the maximum prison sentence, (III) does NOT have to be in prison for more than 10 years even if he/she is sentenced to life imprisonment. Once again, read the WHOLE thing.

Dear Heshan,

If you want to continue to believe that accessories and principals are treated differently (as used to be the case), be my guest. The law in two key Western countries has changed so that in the US version “…all distinctions between accessories .. and principals to the commission of a felony are abolished.” and in the UK version “Whosoever shall aid, abet.. the commission of any indictable offence, … shall be liable to be.. punished as a principal offender.”

So your assertion that since the West only outsources torture, it is less guilty of a crime than the country providing the torture services is disproved by using the West’s own legal standards. The guy who pulls the trigger/tortures [Pakistan] has been ordered to do so by his boss [the US]. Under UK (& US State law), both the boss and the assassin/torturer are equally guilty. Your ranting about sentencing, wanting monks to suck your dick, US military law and Sinhala Buddhist conspiracies doesn’t get away from that central fact.

Best of all, you’ve completely missed the point of the about the Regina vs Delaney appeal. The judge refused Delaney’s appeal to have his sentence reduced and kept it at the same term as his accomplice! “Application dismissed.”

I’ll say it again for special needs, slow learners:

The principal and accessory were given identical sentences. Delaney was “assessed as being of dull average intelligence.“ Groundviews & DBS must’ve reached the same conclusion about you before booting you out of their blogs! :)

@ Mango:

US version “…all distinctions between accessories .. and principals to the commission of a felony are abolished.”

That is only the law in North Carolina; other states have different laws. Furthermore, the federal law specifically differentiates between accessory and principal, and as I have already proved, federal law clearly trumps state law. Finally, there are exceptions to every law; the North Carolina law only states the most general version.

So your assertion that since the West only outsources torture, it is less guilty of a crime than the country providing the torture services is disproved by using the West’s own legal standards.

You have failed to provide any examples where the accessory is found as equally culpable as the principle. In fact, the examples you gave all even stated in the verdict why and under which special circumstances the accessory is or is not given the same sentence as the principle. If the accessory was automatically given a sentence equal to that of the principle, there would be no need for such an explanation.

The judge refused Delaney’s appeal to have his sentence reduced

What rubbish are you talking about? Delany’s sentence was reduced.

24. Taking into account all the mitigating factors, we consider that the sentences passed by the judge in the court below were in both cases too high. As a result, we quash the sentence of seven years passed on Antoniou and substitute it with a sentence of six years’ imprisonment. In the case of Delaney-McDermott, we quash the sentence of five years’ imprisonment and substitute a sentence of four years. For the disqualification of ten years, we substitute periods of seven years’ disqualification. To that extent these appeals are allowed.

http://motorbikeclaims.org.uk/articles/139/1/Regina-v-Anthony-Christopher-Antoniou-Gavin-Delaney-McDermott/Page1.html

Do you know what appeals are allowed means? Did they not teach you that at the government school?

The principal and accessory were given identical sentences.

No they weren’t.

Groundviews & DBS must’ve reached the same conclusion about you before booting you out of their blogs! :)

Hahaha, I left both sites intentionally. In any event, all you have demonstrated in this thread is your total misunderstanding and inability to comprehend the law. You’re not even aware that a law states only the most general case, and that there are always mitigating circumstances. So your black-and-white Sinhala-Buddhist attempt to apply one-case-fits all to every circumstance does not reflect the reality in any way, shape, or form. But even beyond this, your pathetic attempts to use North Carolina law (the law of one state) as equivalent to the laws of all 50 states demonstrates a total ignorance of how the law works in the USA.

In any case, you have lived up to your government school reputation! No wonder you’re still posting on Groundviews.

Dear Heshan,
Oh. My. God.! Deyioo Sakki! Thank you so much for making an even bigger fool of yourself than usual :)

Your request was: You have failed to provide any examples where the accessory is found as equally culpable as the principle.[sic]“ I know you meant to say ‘principal’, but I’ll let that pass. I’m not a Grammar/Spelling Nazi.

The UK legal case I used to prove that a principal and accessory were given identical sentences was R v. Delaney [1994] in the Northern Ireland Court of Appeal. The appeal against the original sentencing is here: http://tinyurl.com/3l47b2u

Let me help you with your obvious learning difficulties:
“..Each man [Paul Delaney and McFadden]…received the same sentence on each count, namely 3 years… The applicant [Delaney] has not made out any of the grounds put forward by him, and we [The Northern Ireland Court of Appeal] accordingly dismiss the application for leave to appeal. Application dismissed.

Paul Delaney (Northern Ireland) was “assessed as being of dull average intelligence.“ A reasonable, objective person can now conclude that Heshan (residency USA?) has also proven himself to be “…. of dull average intelligence.“

With the amount of (unintentional) idiocy you provide, Indi had better start charging a subscription for his blog. :)

heshan, why are you even posting on this blog. you lost the bet. You were supposed to leave, forever.

Heshan is all-knowing, invincible, indefatigable, unconquerable and an example to us all of the need to never, ever give up, however impossible the situation looks. He’s probably the next stage in human evolution.

Truly, he’s legend in his own lunchtime :)

@ Dodo:

(I) I never agreed to the bet and (II) Indi did not provided any concrete evidence that he has the ability to check people’s IP addresses. Because of (II), the possibility remains open that you and LOL are one and the same.

@ Mango:

It looks like we were talking about different cases. Anyway, the reason the accessory and the principal got the same sentence is listed in the link you gave:

It has been argued that his associate McFadden can count himself as somewhat fortunate in not receiving a heavier sentence, when he had committed more offences.

So the accessory actually got less than what he deserves.

Let me point out something else: this is a bad case to make your point – that accessory and principal always get the same sentence -, although I can see why you chose it, given your appalling inability to understand the law. Furthermore, 3 years is not a long sentence, especially for someone who has a long record of past crimes.

My original point still stands: the accessory and the principal usually get different sentences, regardless of what the law states in its most general form .

This is for the Delany case:

The Case

The defendant pleaded guilty to burglary and was sentenced to 18 months’ imprisonment. He appealed on the basis that the recorder had not properly considered the recommendations made in a pre-sentence report which recommended a community rehabilitation order with a condition to attend a programme addressing substance-related offending. He judge had not erred in not adopting the recommendations. He had correctly considered the defendant’s past record and his negative response to the proposed order.

http://lexisweb.co.uk/cases/2003/October/R-v-Delaney

I am getting things mixed up because you don’t provide good links. Delaney was sentenced to 18 months, which is nothing. My original point is 100% correct. He lost the appeal because of his past record.

Dear Heshan,

When you say, “The West itself doesn’t torture, the West outsources the torture. In a Court of Law, the difference is monumental.”, you are 100% wrong, because (as I’ve shown), two key Western legal systems (UK & US) would treat the principal (the West) culpable for an accessory’s (Pakistan et al) role in a criminal act.

My point was never that an accessory and principal always get the same sentence (a poor Heshanesque attempt to move the goalposts, again:), but that an accessory and principal are equally culpable for a crime.

I listed R v. Delaney [1994] to ram home the point that a principal and an accessory were given identical sentences, showing the legal concept of Accessories and Abettors, in action. You just made another mistake by not reading the entire judgement and making a complete idiot of yourself; nothing new there. :)

Your hilarious rants and diversions into sentence length, my poor understanding of UK/Western law, Sinhala Buddhist Nazis, government school education, standardisation and the rest is just more evidence of your “dull average intelligence.”

Then you try to evade having being proven wrong by blaming a poor link, when any fool who can understand English (und du verstehst, Englisch, oder?) would agree with the completely uncontroversial legal concept of Accessories and Abettors.

How can someone with your superior intelligence, massive intellect and vast education get ‘mixed up’ through a ‘poor link’? That’s the kind of excuse I’d expect from a GoSL minister when discovered taking a bribe.

Now, someone else can have a go at beating the Heshan Piñata.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdzKQjy4_E0

@ Mango:

My point was never that an accessory and principal always get the same sentence

And my point was never that they always don’t get the same sentence. My point was that in the vast majority of cases, they get different sentences. Precedent is what matters from a legal standpoint; it’s what law students spend the majority of their time studying (except for the Sinhala-Buddhist prodigies like Namal Rajapakse, who only take the bar exam in the AC cubicle).

I listed R v. Delaney [1994] to ram home the point that a principal and an accessory were given identical sentences

18 months is not much of a sentence. You can’t use an 18 month sentence to “ram home the point.” Furthermore, you’re ignoring the point that the appeal for clemency on the part of the accessory was rejected primarily because of his past record; it had nothing to do with “equalizing” the sentences of the accessory and principal.

Your hilarious rants and diversions into sentence length, my poor understanding of UK/Western law, Sinhala Buddhist Nazis, government school education, standardisation and the rest is just more evidence of your “dull average intelligence.”

No doubt, you’ve demonstrated your total ignorance of the law beyond any reasonable shadow of a doubt. Let’s summarize your mistakes:

1. Trying to use North Carolina law to infer that every state in the US does not differentiate between accessory and principal

2. Failure to understand that the North Carolina law only states the most general case

3. Failure to understand that in most instances in the USA and UK, the accessory and principal are given different sentences

4. Using an irrelevant example (Delaney) to incorrectly point out that accessory and principal are usually given the same sentence in the UK; when in fact, Delaney’s appeal for a lighter sentence was rejected on the grounds of his past criminal history (as opposed to any attempt to equalize sentences of accessory and principal)

Do you want a gold medal for your performance? Surely, Sirimavo B. would have put you at the top of the list of standardisation candidates!

Dear Heshan,
You still keep running away from admitting that your original claim was proven wrong. “The West itself doesn’t torture, the West outsources the torture. In a Court of Law, the difference is monumental.”.

The difference is not monumental andyou are 100% wrong, because (as I’ve shown), two key Western legal systems (UK & US) would treat the principal (the West) culpable for an accessory’s (Pakistan et al) role in a criminal act.

Whatever twists and turns you introduce, nothing can detract from the fact that you’re simply wrong.

You’re wrong again when you say “You have failed to provide any examples where the accessory is found as equally culpable as the principle.[sic]“ because in the R v. Delaney [1994] case, a principal and an accessory were given identical sentences.

The length of the sentences is irrelevant as is the nature of their crimes. All that matters is that they were given identical sentences and even better, an appeal to reduce one criminal’s sentence, failed.

Time to whack the Heshan Donkey Piñata, again :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdzKQjy4_E0

@ Mango,

The difference is not monumental andyou are 100% wrong

The difference is monumental because if someone died during the torture and the case was taken to court, the CIA (accessory) would receive a lesser sentence than the principal (Arab nation doing the torture). Even the North Carolina you tried to misuse as an example of equally culpable says this.

ecause in the R v. Delaney [1994] case, a principal and an accessory were given identical sentences.

Delaney was given an extremely short sentence in the first place; furthermore, the sentencing was based on his extensive criminal background without which the possibility exists that his sentence would have been even shorter. The fact that principal and accessory were given the same sentence is merely coincidental.

The length of the sentences is irrelevant as is the nature of their crimes.

Actually both are very important; the shorter the sentence, the less likely an appeal will hold up in Court. 18 months is a short sentence for burglary. Nature of the crime – if someone is a repeat offender , the chance they will lose the appeal is also greater.

*Even the North Carolina law

Dear Heshan,
Just when I thought you couldn’t get more idiotic, you prove me wrong :)

Torture is already illegal in the West and most democratic countries, including Sri Lanka. That’s the whole point!

A court (in this hypothetical scenario) wouldn’t need to wait until someone died under torture; they could act upon knowledge of torture. The fact that an accessory would receive a lesser sentence doesn’t detract from the point that both the principal and accessory are equally culpable under key e of Western law. What part of that don’t you understand or refuse to accept?

You utter inability to accept being proven wrong is shown in this incredibly moronic sentence where you revise the R v. Delaney [1994] judgement to a Heshaneque goalpost-shifting, re-writing of the facts.

“The fact that principal and accessory were given the same sentence is merely coincidental.”

The Northern Ireland Appeal Court (obviously composed of ‘weak minds’ unequal to your massive intellect) re-inforced the correctness of the original trial judge’s sentencing, thus:

“..we have no hesitation in concluding that there has been no unfairness to the applicant.  The sentence of 3 years’ imprisonment was in our view a perfectly proper sentence for the court to impose in the circumstances of the case..”

And in truly outstanding display of lack of comprehension, you say this:
“…the sentencing was based on his extensive criminal background without which the possibility exists that his sentence would have been even shorter.

Well, duh! This burglar was given the sentence he received because of his criminal record. If he hadn’t had such an extensive criminal record, he wouldn’t have got the sentence he actually received.

And in a final display of Beavis & Butthead level of dumb-assness, you can’t even get the Delaney sentence term right. He got three years (i.e. 24 months) and not 18 months.

Christ on a bike and Buddha on a tricycle! Which village in Sri Lanka is missing an idiot called Heshan?

Time to get a new Heshan (Gona) Donkey Piñata. The old one’s already worn out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdzKQjy4_E0

A court (in this hypothetical scenario) wouldn’t need to wait until someone died under torture; they could act upon knowledge of torture. The fact that an accessory would receive a lesser sentence doesn’t detract from the point that both the principal and accessory are equally culpable under key e of Western law.

What part of North Carolina is 1 one state and there are 49 other states, do you not understand? Each state has its own laws, not like in Sorry Lanka. Gay marriage is banned in some states, while allowed in others. You CANNOT claim that principal and accessory are equally culpable under Western because of the laws in one state. If you do so, you are engaging in the logical fallacy of hasty generalization:

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Hasty generalization
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Hasty generalization is a logical fallacy of faulty generalization by reaching an inductive generalization based on insufficient evidence. It commonly involves basing a broad conclusion upon the statistics of a survey of a small group that fails to sufficiently represent the whole population.[1] Its opposite fallacy is called slothful induction, or denying the logical conclusion of an inductive argument (i.e. “it was just a coincidence”).

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Basically, the premise of your whole argument is flawed. The West has not done away with accessory vs. principal clauses. I already pointed out what the FEDERAL LAW says:

Federal laws state that the penalties for an accessory to a felon are not to exceed half of the maximum prison time or fine for that the principal receives. If the principal receives a death sentence, the accessory may be incarcerated for up to 15 years maximum. States may also have their own individual laws governing accessories to a crime.

An accessory charge is generally not in itself a felony. However, being an accessory to a felony crime can lead to felony charges which will be noted on one’s criminal record. This is important, because having a felony charge on record can sometimes lead to a loss of various privileges, such as being able to own a firearm. An accessory to a felony crime will usually receive a sentence that is less severe than the sentence for the principal actor.

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/accessory-to-a-felony.html

The above is valid as of 08-12-2010, so I presume it is valid today. Now, what part of NOT TO EXCEED HALF OF THE MAXIMYM PRISON TIME OR FINE, and ACCESSORY TO A FELONY CRIME WILL USUALLY RECEIVE A SENTENCE THAT IS LESS SEVERE, do you not understand?

Beavis and Butthead’s are the equivalent of Einstein compared to your 2-celled Sinhala-Buddhist pea-brained hollow head!

By the way, Delaney was sentenced to 18 months, not 3 years. You can’t even get the sentences right, and want to argue about how everyone got the same sentences?

*under Western law

If the principal receives a death sentence, the accessory may be incarcerated for up to 15 years maximum

What part of the above does Sinhala-Buddhist government school prefect and standardization prodigy Mango, not understand? Anyone wanna explain it to him in Sinhala and Pali? I’ll gladly pay you (assuming it’s not mission impossible).

Leave the law out of it. The point is Heshan, do YOU condone outsourcing torture? Do YOU personally consider it a lesser crime than carrying it out in your own backyard?

Shammi,

The Muslims have no problem with torture. It’s part of the legal system in all of their countries. That’s a fact, not an opinion. You steal some gold in KSA, they’ll chop your hand off. Again, a fact, not an opinion. It’s not my business to pass judgement on what a certain group of people consider legal and illegal in a certain country, so long as I am not in that country, and my taxes do not contribute to the propagation and enforcement of such practices. The law doesn’t care about personal opinions; the law only cares about truth.

Dear Heshan,

I’m enjoying dragging the stubborn Heshan Donkey by the tail to face the original point, which it obstinately refuses to acknowledge :)

Heshan Donkey say “The West itself doesn’t torture, the West outsources the torture. In a Court of Law, the difference is monumental.”. The difference is not monumental and you are 100% wrong, because (as I’ve shown), two key Western legal systems (UK & US) would treat the principal (the West) culpable for an accessory’s (Pakistan et al) role in a criminal act.

That a principal and accessory are equally culpable on the basis that this concept is admitted to in UK, US & German legal systems. This is a fact an not an opinion. Germany, for example, has Gesamtschuld (common design) theory of guilt.

But since you’ve already admitted to approving of torture, your pronoucement’s on SL’s human rights abuses will be met with the derisive laughter they deserve :)

p.s. re, in R v. Delaney [1994] NIJB 31, Delaney was sentenced to three years as follows: “…received the same sentence ..namely 3 years”

Have your learning difficulties extended to being innumerate as well as being demonstrably idiotic? That small village in Sri Lanka is still missing an idiot called Heshan.

Apologies: the above should read:

That a principal and accessory are equally culpable is a well-established legal concept in the UK, US & German and most Western legal systems. This is a fact. Not an opinion.

Germany, for example, has “Gesamtschuld: (common design) theory of guilt.

So Heshan, Are you saying that Muslims, just because they are Muslims, dont deserve the same respect or care that you would extend towards, say, a Sinhalese, an American or a Tamil? You’re unconcerned about the way Muslims are treated, even though they are also human beings? You dont think they deserve better, irrespective of the law that prevails over there?

@ Mango,

The difference is not monumental and you are 100% wrong, because (as I’ve shown), two key Western legal systems (UK & US) would treat the principal (the West) culpable for an accessory’s (Pakistan et al) role in a criminal act.

You’ve proof is not valid because your argument commits the logical fallacy of hasty generalization.

Your proof goes something like this:

Premise: North Carolina law says accessory and principal are equal.

Delaney (UK) was given the same sentence as the principal

Conclusion: Therefore, in the US and UK, the standard procedure is to treat accessory and principal as equal.

The conclusion does not necessarily follow from the premise. Even your premise is wrong; as I have shown that North Carolina law treats accessory and principal differently in the case of capital felonies.

That a principal and accessory are equally culpable on the basis that this concept is admitted to in UK, US & German legal systems. This is a fact an not an opinion. Germany, for example, has Gesamtschuld (common design) theory of guilt.

It’s not a fact because if it were a fact, the law would not make sense.

But since you’ve already admitted to approving of torture, your pronoucement’s on SL’s human rights abuses will be met with the derisive laughter they deserve :)

I never approved of torture.

p.s. re, in R v. Delaney [1994] NIJB 31, Delaney was sentenced to three years as follows: “…received the same sentence ..namely 3 years”

Nice try, but once again, Delaney was sentenced to 18 months. They don’t teach arithmetic at the government school?

R v Delaney – [2004] All ER (D) 227 (Jan)
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Source: All England Reporter
Neutral Citation: [2003] EWCA Crim 2714
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The defendant pleaded guilty to burglary and was sentenced to 18 months’ imprisonment. He appealed on the basis that the recorder had not properly considered the recommendations made in a pre-sentence report which recommended a community rehabilitation order with a condition to attend a programme addressing substance-related offending. He judge had not erred in not adopting the recommendations. He had correctly considered the defendant’s past record and his negative response to the proposed order.

http://lexisweb.co.uk/cases/2003/October/R-v-Delaney

@ shammi:

You cannot force a group of people to accept Western-style democracy. Bush tried it with Iraq; it didn’t work. The USA has also tried it with Afghanistan, but again, not working. Similarly, Iran has rejected Western style democracy, as did North Vietnam. South Korea, Japan, and Hong Kong did not reject it. But it is an individual nation’s choice.

Some Muslim nations (see list above) choose Islam over everything else. This is what’s called a theocracy . In KSA or Iran, the clerics are very powerful – they can overrule politicians even. They can decree fatwas. None of this is compatible with a Western legal system. When you have powerful people changing laws as they please, the law becomes arbitrary .

So, to answer your question – do Muslims deserve the same rights as others – whether I answer yes or no is irrelevant. Because many Muslims themselves believe Muslims are entitled to a special kind of justice that does not treat everyone equally.

Heshan, Muslim nations have “TheoCrazy.” And we Silly Lunkets are stuck with “One Family DemoCrazy.”

So Heshan thinks the plight of Muslims in backward countries should be ignored, and it’s OK for Americans or anyone else to torture them, just because their own leaders allow torture. Justice and equality a la Heshan. Nice! And Duncie approves too.

Well, when the USA tries to help Muslims in “backward countries”, you and your buddies in the Banana Republic call it imperialism. When a suicide bomb goes off in Iraq or Afghanistan, you and your buddies immediately blame the Americans. You never blame the Muslims for anything that goes wrong; the fact of the matter is, if the Muslims took responsibility for their own actions, torture would not be an issue.

Dear Heshan,

I’m still enjoying dragging the stubborn Heshan Donkey by the tail, yet again, to face the original point, which it obstinately refuses to acknowledge :)

Heshan say “The West itself doesn’t torture, the West outsources the torture. In a Court of Law, the difference is monumental.”.

The difference is not monumental and you are 100% wrong, because (as I’ve shown), three key Western legal systems (UK, US, Germany) would treat the principal (the West) culpable for an accessory’s (Pakistan et al) role in a criminal act (torture).

I’ll say it another way: a principal and accessory are equally culpable on the basis that this concept is admitted to in UK, US & German legal systems. This is a fact an not an opinion.

Fact: Germany has Gesamtschuld (common design) theory of guilt.
Fact: The UK has Accessories and Abettors Act.
Fact: US has various State and Federal Laws where a principal and an accessory are deemed equally culpable.

If you’re unhappy using US examples, remove it and we’re still left with major Western legal systems deeming a principal and accessory are equally culpable of a crime. Sentencing length equity is not the issue, (despite me citing R v. Delaney [1994], where both the principal and accessory received identical sentences), which I know you’re desperately trying to divert into :)

Heshan then says: “I never approved of torture.”
Heshan earlier said: “While I don’t, as a matter of personal taste, condone torture, I concede that it is justifiable if there are laws that says it’s okay.”

Conclusion: Heshan approves of torture (or rape, slavery, child abuse or cannibalism) as long as laws permit it. Heshan is certified 100% Donkey.

Heshan gets sentencing terms ‘mixed up’ – again.

R v. Delaney [1994] in the N. Irish Courts, a burglar called Delaney and his associate, both got 3 years (36 months). http://tinyurl.com/3l47b2u

R v Delaney [2004] in the English Courts, a different burglar called Delaney who acted alone got 18 months. http://lexisweb.co.uk/cases/2003/October/R-v-Delaney

You’ve picked the wrong Delaney – again.

What will you blame this time? Sinhala Buddhist Nazis? Poor understanding of the geography of the British Isles? The weather? Sri Lanka Army Deep Penetration Units? :)

Time to update the ‘Heshan Slap List’.
Heshan says: “Torture is justifiable if there are laws that says it’s okay.” Slap!
Heshan says: “North Korea is not a member of the UN.” Slap!
Heshan says: “US won the Vietnam War.” Slap!
Heshan says: “Neither England nor Germany nor India have a President.” Slap!
Heshan says: “Ranil Wickramasinghe wasn’t elected in 2001.” Slap!
Heshan says: “Hitler actually won WW2.” Slap!
Heshan says: “Japan doesn’t have a military.” Slap!
Heshan says: “Neo-Nazis are allowed use Nazi symbols they wish.” Slap!
Heshan says: “There is no PTA in the UK.” Slap!
Here’s the slap video again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0GW0Vnr9Yc

Dear Heshan,

You’re reaching new heights of cretinism. Blaming the victim has always been a favourite excuse for rapists and torturers.

“if the Muslims took responsibility for their own actions, torture would not be an issue.”

This must mean that if a woman wears a provocative dress, she’s responsible for being raped, no?

Who knew you were a secret JHU type?

USA claims they only want to help, when they meddle in the affairs of less powerful countries. Then they go and do worse than those they criticise when it suits them. They cant both have their cake and eat it, Heshan. It shows them up when they try to. I’m sure if our country were as powerful, we’d be tempted to do the same. The problem is, YOU seem to believe all the propaganda they spew out.
So you approve of the US using rendition to torture prisoners, while they preach human rights to the rest of the world?

@ Mango:

I have reached the conclusion that you’re mentally retarded; therefore, I will neither read nor respond to your posts anymore.

shammi,

Whar a lot of people fail to realize is that the USA never had an imperialist agenda. The USA has always had a genuine interest in promoting democracy. To give a simple example: the USA has invested trillions that’s right, trillions of dollars, in Afghanistan, trying to improve the roads, schools, government, etc. That’s a lot of money! I don’t think any other country would make such an effort.

Speaking of rendition, once again: the question is not whether I approve or not, the question is what’s legal relative to the laws of a country. If the Sri Lankan Government/military let high-level LTTE leaders be tortured by the Arabs, would I object? Nope. Not at all. The Arab countries have laws that say torture is okay. Sri Lanka does not have laws that say torture is okay. The USA does not have laws that say torture is okay. I hope you see the difference. It’s not about what’s right or wrong, it’s about what the law says you can and can’t do.

By the way, the Sri Lankans weren’t torturing just high-level LTTE leaders. The scale of torture by the Sri Lankan side far exceeds anything on the Western end.

i’d love to see that statistic saying us invested ‘trillions’ in Afghanistan. And please exclude the money spent on the meat shield, i mean the ANSF.

The actual figure is closer to 500 billion, and includes the cost of military operations. So perhaps I was exaggerating somewhat when I said they’ve spent trillions. But we can safely infer that the USA has spent several hundred million dollars in the upkeep of Afghanistan, which has not amounted to anything due to the Taliban.

Ha. A matter of a little exaggeration, only like a 1000 times over. I’m sure the mineral resources or whatever they hope to mine later will be worth several times more.

Anyway, I was only interested to know where you personally stood on torture. Shame on you Heshan. Torture is wrong, whether it’s sanctioned by Muslim law, outsourced by Americans or practised in our police stations, and the identity of the victim should have no bearing upon it whatsoever.

Not even a word about Dodo thinking terrorism is a valid tactic?

@ Shammi:

Of course torture is wrong and should be condemned. But if a person is tortured in a Muslim nation, it’s still legal from the point of view of the framework of that legal system. What you should be condemning is such a legal system, not third-parties who exploit it for their own purposes. After all, the third-party did not create the legal system.

By the way, if the SLA had happened to outsource high-value LTTE members to Pakistan to be interrogated (where torture is a strong possibility), I would not condemn that either.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that torture of certain very high-profile figures, such as KP, is probably necessarily, whether laws are broken or not. The problem in SL is that torture is not limited to only high-profile cases; every police station tortures, as does almost every army camp. Politicians get to selectively torture whom they choose (example: journalists Prageeth and Tissanaiayagam). Innocent women end up getting raped. The whole thing is out of control; it far exceeds the justifiable potential of any torture. At least the Americans are very careful about who gets tortured and who doesn’t; the issue for them is not a political one, it’s focused entirely on intelligence gathering.

Dear Heshan Donkey,

Another fabulous display of cretinism by you.

…”Americans are very careful about who gets tortured..”

No, you moron they are not careful. When torture becomes the normalised this happens:

Three completely innocent Tajiks are arrested by the Pakistanis, then sent to Bagram & Guantánamo to be tortured and imprisoned for three years and finally released. The US admitted “It is undetermined as to why the detainee was transferred to GTMO.”

Guardian

Let’s hope that you’re also arrested by US authorities and sent to Gitmo.

Time to beat Heshan (Gona) Donkey Piñata, again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdzKQjy4_E0

p.s. Apologies to Shammi for breaking into your fruitful conversation with Heshan Donkey.

Heshan, I would hope that those countries where torture is accepted due to ignorance, custom, religion or whatever will reform their legal systems. It’salso distressing to know that torture happens so often here, where there are so many laws on paper.
But what I find most distasteful is when holier-than-thou nations find ways to get around their law in order to torture freely. I cant understand how you can woodenly excuse them citing “the law”. I condemn them the most.

Lefroy, I’ll read the comments on that old post when I have some free time, to see the context behind Dodo’s statement. But haven’t you noticed how he sometimes pretends to have no morals and acts a little gung ho about things? Rather cute, dont you think? ; )

@ Shammi,

I agree with you in principle, that torture is wrong. But depending on the context, it can be a zero-sum game. If you’re an intelligence agency, and you capture a high-value suspect, said person can reveal very valuable info. What if this info could prevent a suicide bombing? Or in the case of KP, prevent a vast shipment of arms from coming in? Unfortunately, that’s the way intelligence gathering works. I agree that the Americans are somewhat hypocritical for outsourcing their torture, but again, they’re not actually breaking any laws. If we agree that everyone tortures, then the most relevant question becomes to what extent. The Americans will torture 5 guys to get 1 guy, whereas the Sri Lankans will torture 100 guys to get 1 guy. There’s a major difference between how intelligence agencies like the CIA/FBI and CID operate. Example: Muslims were not rounded up or asked to register after 911. Compare with Gothayaba trying to deport several hundred Colombo Tamils back to the North and East.

You can already see; there is too much political interference when it comes to intelligence gathering in the SL context.

Wow, Heshan, when does your astounding display of stupidity and ignorance stop? Do you actually live in the US like you claim?

“Muslims were not rounded up or asked to register after 911.”

Muslims (and Asian types) in the US and generally throughout the West, (especially in the UK) were targeted for special attention including rounding up, registration, harassment etc after 9/11.

Hundreds of thousands of “legal” immigrant men from many Arab, Muslim, and South Asian countries have been ordered to undergo humiliating government registration. And when they complied with the order, they were treated brutally, and many were taken away in the middle of the night to prisons in distant, remote areas, unable to contact their families or lawyers.

More than 82,000 people have undergone this special registration, and the government intends to order all immigrants with non-residency status to register. Now, the government has announced that as many as 13,000 of those who have registered will be deported–not for any “terrorism”-related charges, but for often minor immigration violations.” http://revcom.us/badmoonrising/travis.htm

“South Asian”, eh? Heshan, you’d better get to work scrubbing your skin with extra strong skin-lightening cream to really prove your house negro status in the US.

The best case is Shahid Malik, a UK Muslim Minister, detained at Dulles after taking part in talks on tackling terrorism. :) :) :) He said the same thing happened to him at JFK airport in 2006. http://www.boingboing.net/2007/10/29/uk-minister-detained.html

What will you deny next? Gravity?

“Compare with Gothayaba trying to deport several hundred Colombo Tamils back to the North and East.”

Gota’s disgraceful attempt failed because the Supreme Court of the Sri Lankan banana republic (as you’d characterise it) blocked it. But had it succeeded, by your own logic it would’ve been fine, because by your logic, Tamils would only have themselves to blame.

Heshan Donkey says “if the Muslims took responsibility for their own actions, torture would not be an issue.”

Heshan, if the Americans are doing it, directly or indirectly, they cant afford to be so sanctimonious about others doing it. They lose the moral right to point fingers. They could of course, educate the others on how and when it’s acceptable, if that is what they believe.
About the ratio of torture victims to arrests, they definitely should have a better record, or what’s the use of all that sophisticated tech they posess? If other countries were able to invest as much as the US agencies did, I’m sure they’d be able to fine tune their techniques to the level you seem to find acceptable.
Gota may have been a little clumsy, but I’m convinced that it was out of desperation, and determination to put an end to the whole mess. It was wrong, but his main aim was to protect the city, not harass one group.

Thats ONE thing the Rajapaksas’s can never do. They can intimidate…buy off or cajole MOST people onto their side. But not to everyone they cant. There is an old latin saying which goes like this. “There is no victory until you have subjugated the minds of your enemies.” Ha…most of u chaps have already been subjugated willingly or unwillingly. A few of us still stand strong.

Achtung, Donkey Heshan!

@ Mango: “I have reached the conclusion that you’re mentally retarded; therefore, I will neither read nor respond to your posts anymore.”

Oh no, poor little diddums :) Run along to Amma and hide behind her sari – tell that a horrible man on an internet forum caught you out as a liar. :) :)

Well, 100,000K people die in the name of preservation of Sri Lankan “Therevada Buddhism”… yet its okay to form an alliance with China, which has destroyed way more monastries in Tibet, and killed and imprisoned way more monks than the LTTE did in SL.

Correction: Should read as 100K, not 100,000K

Heshan, take a look at this:

http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=79&artid=33992

Bwahahahahaha!!! ;)

Yeah, Sinhala-Buddhism in action : ) I think I think figured that one out about 25 years ago.

Point being there is *NOTHING* you can do about it.

Sweet! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr6cEz221pE

Another gleaming new one in Jaffna.

Your blood must be boiling .

At least you’re honest about it. The point of the war was NOT to eradicate terrorism; it was to colonize all four corners of the island with Sinhalese-Buddhists, not to mention build stupas all over the place. The LTTE/Tamils were just pesky nuisances that needed a good biatch-slap from the Hambantota crew. Whenever I explained this on GV, all I got was “well, look what the British did in 1863″ or “look what the Portugese did in 1465.”

That’s right Heshan, the Sinhalese Buddhists rule Sri Lanka and Tamils got bitch slapped bad :)

Don’t cry.

You can always bite your cyanide capsule in protest though.

I heard Jaffna Tamils are desperately learning the Sinhalese language so as to be able to sell their wares to the thousands of Sinhalese pouring into the peninsula.

Sri Lanka will always be second to India.

Don’t cry.

You can always wave your Lion Flag in protest. I hear Rajapakse is having another bash in a few days…

India is a regional leader and Sri Lanka accepts India’s leadership role in the region.

That is why India looked the other way while the LTTE got raped and Tamils got bitch slapped.

But why drag India into this?

New Buddhist temple in Maangku’lam in North
http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=32381

Aney pau the demalas are angry :)

Kadavule!!

So you admit India will always own SL : D

In other words, Mahinda Rajafucksa can hold a military parade every week, but the Indians with their nuclear weapons can just laugh it off, knowing they have the capability and expertise to tear S. Lanka to pieces in 1 week.

Do you feel better at night sleeping in the shadow of nuclear annihilation?

Unlike other South Asian countries, Sri Lanka has *excellent* relations with all her immediate neighbours

The military parade is to show Sri Lankan Tamils what awaits them if they try their shenanigans again, and also to celebrate Prabhakaran and the LTTE getting butt raped

And I think SL is pretty safe from any nuclear attack.

Now don’t try and change the topic Heshan :)

SLA erects Buddhist temples in Vanni
http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=32702

What you gonna do?? :)

I’m glad you approve of your tax dollars being used to reinforce Rajapakse’s ego.

SL is not safe – are you forgetting the Indo-Lanka Accord? India’s priorities change like quicksand. Piss India off and see what happens.

Speaking of excellent relations… if India went to war with China, and China had bases in SL, guess what would happen to SL…

It’s great that tax dollars are used to send Tamils a message :)

Just like it’s great that tax dollars are used to build Buddhist temples in the north.

Sri Lanka is the safest country in South Asia now :) And the most politically stable.

Oh yeah baby!

Yeah, everyone can offer lotus petals or whatever at the shiny new vihara, then go back to their tin shack. Rajafucksa is playing you left and right.

Tin shacks are what the proud Tamils are living in now – without windows or doors and sometimes with no roofs.

What were the Sons of the Soil living in, when the tsunami took them to Nibbana? Mansions don’t wash away so easy. : D

Heshan de loser once said he’s “NOT TAMIL”..I am sure his mom was fucked by a low cast tamil christian. LOL.

Christians don’t have caste. What other nonsense did they teach you at the Government school?

“Christians don’t have a caste”. Your village Christian priest told you that while your face being baptized with his cum shot? Nice..

Your low caste cannot be erased that easily. Go and try to marry a Jaffna vellara tamil girl if you can. Her father will remind your forgotten caste.

I was baptized once, but your Sinhala-Buddhist village girls are baptized with cum everyday by the Arabs.

Rajapakse has fucked up your economy so bad the women have to blow Arabs and the Sinhala-Buddhist children have to blow the pedophile tourists at Negombo Beach.

Allah Saranam Gachami!

By ASSOCIATED PRESS
26/08/2010
Couple hammered nails into worker’s face, body.

COLOMBO, Sri Lanka — A Sri Lankan maid returned from her job in Saudi Arabia with 24 nails inside her body — the result of torture by the family who employed her, a doctor and government official said Wednesday.

L.G. Ariyawathi’s body is riddled with needles and nails, which are scheduled to be removed Friday, a doctor confirmed Wednesday.

Ariyawathi, 49, returned to Sri Lanka on Saturday from Saudi Arabia and was hospitalized the next day with severe pain at a facility about 100 miles (160 kilometers) away from capital, Colombo, according to media reports.

She told a local newspaper that her employers tortured her with the nails as punishment.

“They (employer and his family) did not allow me even to rest. The woman at the house had heated the nails and then the man inserted them into my body,” Ariyawathi was quoted as saying in the Lakbima, a newspaper published in local Sinhalese language.

She told the paper that she went to Saudi Arabia in March and was paid only two months’ salary, with her employer withholding three months’ salary to buy an air ticket to send her home.

Dr. H.K.K. Satharasinghe of Kamburupitiya hospital said X-rays show Ariyawathi has 24 nails and needles in her body. The nails range from 1-2 inches.

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Mohammed’s Circumcised Dick Saranam Gachami!

By the way, Christianity conquered the Roman Empire, not to mention all of South America, Europe, Australia, and all of Asia except Thailand.

What has Sinhala-Buddhism accomplished in 2000 years?

But Tamils are being baptised by Sinhala Buddhist cum :)

The girls in the Vanni and Jaffna love it very much.

And Negombo is a Sinhala Christian area and the paedophile business there is run by Christian priests.

Heshan de loser: hahahah.. THANK YOU FOR CONFIRMING THE FACT THAT YOU WERE BAPTIZED ONCE BY YOUR VILLAGE CHRISTIAN PRIEST WITH A CUM SHOT.

How did it taste bitch? Did he promise you to strip off your low caste if you allowed him to cum on your face?
Did he also bore your anus so that you could shit your low caste without much effort?

Low caste tamil christian terrorist… lol. fucker must b busy with x’mas island protest..

We accomplished our target on 19th May 2009. You seem to have forgotten your DOB. fucking moron..:)

Give him a break, Dodo; he hasn’t anywhere else to go. He’s been laughed off all the other sites, Mummy & Daddy ignore him, and everyone else thinks he’s a paedo. Have you no compassion?

It was nice to see you lose the debate to Gehan… after losing the debate to Off the Cuff… after losing the debate to Aadhavan… after losing the debate to Lefroy… after losing the debate to me… after losing the debate to Dushy Ranatunge.

Man, you’re like a dog with rabies getting eaten alive by flies… yet somehow managing a bark here and then! Didn’t Dushy say you’re mental? That means the final collapse of your pea-brained entity of a *mind” will come any day now.

Funny, that you actually need to point that out ‘cos no one else sees it. Was it all that buggering you got at Thurstan College that made your English comprehension get blocked up by Sinhalese Buddhist semen? I met a couple of your former classmates and they had fond memories of your fag days :D

But anyway, say if someone called “Alan” has an IP address, say, 123.231.12.21, and some called “John” comments only five minutes after Alan had commented, and has the same IP address, there is reason to believe they are the same person. In order for them to be two people,

1) Both of them have dynamic IP addresses
2) They both have the same ISP
3) Alan disconnected from the internet and John connected within 5 minutes.
4) From an IP address pool which contains thousands of addresses, John was given what was given to Alan.

However, if John’s IP address was 123.231.12.99, then it makes all the difference in the world.

I don’t know much about networking, but it would seem that the probability of (1) and (4) being merely coincidental is one in a million, when establishing the identity of two similar IP addresses on the same blog, so yes, it could be considered the “smoking gun” in terms of evidence. Particularly if you factor in a short time interval.

Lefroy, you dont honestly believe that Dodo would comment here using a different name or IP add. now, do you?

Blacker,
Is he a paedo? Okay. At least now we know what happened to your son. I always knew it wasn’t only your legendary stupidity that made him ignore you.

Comprehension problems again, lefroy? Lol. Try again.

David Buggery,
Let me see. Mmmmmm… Nopes. It’s your son who’s having a hard time at comprehending what happened. Don’t think Heshan did it though. Probably it was one of your Army buddies.

you mean the same Army buddies who gang banged your mum and fathered you? Lol

I’ plan to notify the German police about Blacker’s pedophile past in the criminal SLA. Hopefully they will be keeping an eye on him, like they do the jihadi wannabes. I will be including some of Blacker’s comments from various blogs and other websites that indicate a high dispensation towards criminal behavior. At the very least, they should remove any children from his custody. If anyone finds any particularly noteworthy sonatas from Blacker, let me know, I’ll be sure to include it in the petition.

guys, get a room

David Buggery,
I’m far too intelligent to be fathered by an SLA soldier, Buggery. But are you saying that your Army buddies go around gang-banging women?

P.S. Is it true that you and your friends gang banged a cow in Hambanthota?

Yeah your intelligence is pretty evident. Yeah some of my friends did gang bang your Mum in Hambantota. Thanks for confirming it ;)

I didn’t join in though. I draw the line at banging animals like your mum :D

Oh, and Untersturmfuhrer Heshan, don’t forget to remind the German police about how they won WW2, while you’re about it. Though I doubt you’d find Germany on a map even if a German shepherd shoved it up your wide butt. :D

The German police didn’t win WWII; but I’m sure they’ll be glad to hear about how Stalin killed only 20 million civilians : ) And how Hitler conquered less territory than Alexander the Great. And how those Turkish Muslims are entirely peaceful people who will integrate flawlessly into German society.

Above comment is directed @ Dodo

Yawn heshan.

how about india then. are they also making shit up.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/india/gdp-growth

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/india/inflation-cpi

Shut up and go see a shrink now heshan. It’ll do you wonders.

Haha, it’s not exactly my idea that the Central Bank BS’s… Harsha De Silva says the same exact thing, and he has something called a *Ph.D* in economics.

Glad to see you defending the CEB, however; do you happen to be one of those traders allowed special permission to engage in insider trading @ CSE?

More spineless wriggling.

I noticed you mentioned – accused me of – “creationism”, out of the blue, in the “UN Report” thread. But creationism was never discussed by me on this blog. Let me guess, you’re the Somewhat Disgusted guy from Groinviews?

NO heshan I asked if you were a creationist, I never accused you of being one. Although i must admit you have a sufficient denial of objective reality to be one.

I see you’re still engaging spineless & baseless accusations. I guess that’s your nature.

@ Dodo

You didn’t ask; rather, you directly implicated me:

Comment by The way of the Dodo
2011-05-27 11:02:58

and here you are in typical creationist fashion hiding in every nook and cranny you can possibly think of.

That doesn’t look like asking. Speaking of spineless:

Comment by The way of the Dodo
2010-05-31 16:23:07

The JVP was dumb, being dumb was wrong. As for the LTTE, i would have done many of the same things they did. Except I would not use child soldiers, or kill the Tamil intelligentsia or kill Gandhi. Infact, I would have blown up more of Colombo and far more frequently. Bridges, train stations, theaters & banks, anything to shock a populous in capitulation. I would have gone after the sinhalese leadership as well. Terrorism is definitely a valid tactic in book.

http://indi.ca/2010/05/mahinda-interview-on-al-jazeera/

So you would have been perfectly happy to suicide bomb the Sinhalese into submission? The funny thing is that people like Mango and Shammi are upset when I say it’s okay to let the West hand over a few jihadis (all high-level) to the Arabs to be tortured…

I want to hear what Mango and Shammi have to say about suicide bombing the civilian population into submission? Are they going to claim it’s negligible in comparison to Hiroshima and Nagasaki (the usual anti-Western hype).

Dear Heshan, [don't read this - you're not meant to be reading my replies]

We have real-world evidence on whether suicide bombing of civilians helps an insurgency achieve any of its stated objectives. Results vary, depending on the resilience of the population and country under attack.

In Sri Lanka, the LTTE failed despite their use of suicide bombers on public transport and infrastructure. The civilian population and the government representing them did not submit to the LTTE. They instead, intensified their campaign against the insurgency and destroyed it.

In London, Jihadi suicide bombers attacked buses and tubes. Their stated aim was to make the UK exit Iraq, Afghanistan and stop supporting Israel and the US. They failed. The UK is still in Afghanistan and still supports the US & Israel. The UK exited Iraq after being defeated by the Iraqi insurgency.

In Madrid, trains were bombed (just ordinary time-delay devices, not suicide bombings) by an Al-Quaeda affiliate demanding Spanish troops withdraw from Iraq. The Spanish public and government submitted to terrorist violence and Spanish troops departed Iraq in 2004.

Adios, Pajero!

Who wants to bet $100 that Mango the government school prodigy will now dig up some irrelevant crap from the ACLU about how extraordinary is illegal, even though the ACLU lost their lawsuit?

*extraordinary rendition is illegal

By the way, the ACLU is the organization that challenged the legality of extraordinary rendition and lost .

Dear Heshan,
So, in the interests of fighting terrorism and saving American lives, the US allows itself special leave to derogate itself various laws which prohibited torture, kidnapping etc and you approve. Fantastic. This is exactly the same argument used by GoSL when excusing its own abuses. So why no love for Gota & Co?

I’d say its game, set and match to US & SL, respectively. Care to square that particular circle?

You also said “Here in the States the Constitution is based on something called “checks and balances.” The idea is to prevent a single entity from becoming too powerful.”

I guess ‘national security’ trumped all the checks and balances, no? How very like Sri Lanka.

The statistics speak for themselves; in SL, there are mass graves under Alfred Duriyappah Stadium, at Chemmani, at Sooriyakanda, at Ganeshapuram in Kilinochchi and at Nachchikuda in the Mannar Districts… American soldiers did not create mass graves in Iraq or Afghanistan. So it’s not difficulty to see who is abusing the torture laws.

On July 03, at the Colombo High Court Trial-at-Bar case, the first accused Lance Cpl. Dewage Somaratne Rajapakse dropped a bomb-shell when he was asked by the Judge whether the accused has anything to say before imposing sentence of death on him. “We did not kill anyone. We only buried bodies that were sent to us by our superior officers. We can show you where 300 to 400 bodies have been buried at Chemmani” replied the first accused. Rajapakse’s statement from the dock was corroborated by the 3rd and the 7th accused persons charged with murder and rape of Krishanthy Kumaraswamy, her aged mother, and murder of her brother and her neighbour.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/cemmani-mass-grave-600-tamil-youth-disappeared

Notice how that says 600 Tamil youth disappeared when the SLA recaptured Jaffna; did 600 Muslim youth disappear when the Americans captured Iraq or Afghanistan?

So, you can keep accusing the Americans of imaginary crimes, you can keep exaggerating the figures (without providing any hard evidence to back your data), you can keep taking isolated incidents like Abu Grahib entirely out of proportion to reach erroneous conclusions, and you can continue to assert the Americans are as bad as the Sri Lankans, but the statistics speak for themselves!

By the way, why does Sri Lanka keep denying the authenticity of the Channel 4 video? If Sri Lanka refuses to investigate a video, what is the probability it will investigate far more serious incidents? Obviously, the probability is zero. So it’s pretty clear who is trying to cover-up what.

Dear Heshan,

Using your own logic, whatever abuses have occurred in Sri Lanka, its always the victim’s fault for ‘not taking responsibility’ for their own actions, no?

You say“if the Muslims took responsibility for their own actions, torture would not be an issue.”

However many Muslim youth disappeared under the US occupation, according to your logic, it’s their own fault, no?

The exodus of Iraq’s Christians (who had safer lives under Saddam), is also undoubtedly their own responsibility, no?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/31/trillion-dollar-catastrophe-iraq-war

Muslims kill and torture other Muslims, then fools like you come along and blame the Americans.

Muslims chase away other Muslims from certain parts of Iraq, then fools like you blame the Americans.

It’s called playing two sides of the same coin . On the one hand, Muslims are funding jihad. At the same time, they are taking big bribes from the West in exchange for “cooperation.” Example: Pakistan. Receives billions in aid from the USA, but secretly supports the Taliban. Similarly, Saudi Arabia. Allows the Americans to have a big military base there; but the Saudi Royal Family donates millions to jihad cause every year. Even Bin-Laden was originally a Saudi. Most of the 911 attackers were Saudis.

Number of combined suicide bombings in Iraq and Afghanistan: at least 5000.

Number of American suicide bombers: 0.

Loser1: WOW.. the terrorist is talking about the terrorist attacks.

Number of suicide attacks by tamil terrorists : More than 100
Number of SLA suicide bombers: 0

As I said before, both loser1 and loser2 are two sides of the same coin. One of them hates Sri Lanka, because lankan army won the war and ponil and his ponna clan can never come to power. The other one hates Sri Lanka because they can never win peelam in Sri Lanka.

Fucking losers..lol :)

Come on man, we have our disagreements, but I never considered you to be lacking in intellect. Use a little common sense here; you’re at war, and you capture a top-level enemy official, of the likes of Kumar Pathmanathan. Are you going to let him sip champagne and watch reruns of Rambo until he feels he’s ready to talk? We’re talking about people like Sheikh Khalid Mohammed who was the mastermind behind 911. Obviously, the guy had a lot more targets in mind. Bridges, trains, the Statue of Liberty, etc. By the time he started “willingly” talking, if ever, a half dozen bombs would have gone off in NYC. Again, we’re talking about high-level officials here. There is a big difference between them and the lower-level jihadis. The big guys who refuse to talk deserve to be tortured, yes…. that’s a decision they made when they signed up for explosives planning 101.

i didn’t ask for your opinion. My question is whether it’s legally permissible to torture people for the sake of national security in the US

guys, have you watched the movie “unthinkable”?

everyone seems to have an opinion about this subject. maybe some of us would change their minds if they watched this movie, really thought about it, and re-visited the issue, maybe from a different perspective. who knows.

by the way, what do you guys hope to accomplish anyway, arguing with each other about stuff like this? do tell. i’d really like to know.

@ Dodo,

My question is whether it’s legally permissible to torture people for the sake of national security in the US

That’s a bad question, because it’s too broad. A better question to ask is whether rendition by the CIA permissible for foreign POWS, for the sake of national security. The answer is yes.

Daniel Pines, an assistant general counsel at the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), has claimed that the practice of abducting terror suspects overseas and sending them to a third country for interrogation is legal under US law.

“The only restrictions that do exist under US law preclude US officials from themselves torturing or inflicting cruel and unusual punishment on individuals during rendition operations,” he added.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21780

Need more proof?

WASHINGTON — A federal appeals court on Wednesday ruled that former prisoners of the C.I.A. could not sue over their alleged torture in overseas prisons because such a lawsuit might expose secret government information.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/09/us/09secrets.html

As for the Supreme Court, it refused to debate the legality of extraordinary rendition, altogether.

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/supreme_court_wont_hear_extraordinary_rendition_lawsuit_derailed_by_state_s/

@ Dodo,

. but the point is that just because you don’t pull the trigger you don’t get precluded from getting the maximum sentence.

The trigger man usually DOES get the maximum sentence, while the accessory DOESN’T. I just told you to google it and see for yourself.

Relative severity of penalties

The punishment tariff for accessories varies in different jurisdictions, and has varied at different periods of history. In some times and places accessories have been subject to lesser penalties than principals (the persons who actually commit the crime). In others accessories are considered the same as principals in theory, although in a particular case an accessory may be treated less severely than a principal. In some times and places accessories before the fact have been treated differently from accessories after the fact. Common law traditionally considers an accessory just as guilty as the principal(s) in a crime, and subject to the same penalties. Separate and lesser punishments exist by statute in many jurisdictions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_%28legal_term%29

Which has been my point all long. Even though a law may say X in theory, what is applicable in practice is Y.

The precedent is clear in the tison vs Az case

From my reading of that case, most of the accessories got different sentences than the principal in that case. I leave it to you to clarify.

Dear Lefroy,

I’d never even considered wanting to ‘getting the better of you’. You’re a God amongst Men and a truly extraordinary internet warrior. You’re such a courageous internet warrior that you hide behind a nickname and insult non-anonymous commenter’s son/kids. Blacker must’ve really, really got to you and to be fair he can be relentless.

Why not show extraordinary courage and moral righteousness by blogging under your own name? Veeraya!

Blacker is an example of why stupidity and Army go so well together. He was probably a big-time failure at school; no organization other than the Army had any use for him. With an AK-47 in his hands, probably felt special for the first time in his life.

@Loser1: You are the best example for fucked up Tamil Christian terrorist losers. Which ship did you take to land in some other country? MV sun sea?? Fuckers have no country to come back, have enough time to shit in public forums and masturbate 10 times a day. LOL

The Yarn is an interesting case. His mother was a whore (lots of failed marriages), whom he denounced as a fascist:

Entering my teens and misapplying what I was avidly reading, I once denounced her as a “neo-fascist”

http://transcurrents.com/tc/2011/01/post_618.html

Apparently The Yarn was exposed to all sorts of people and places, but willingly chose the Commie route.

Since S. Lanka has no Commie party worth speaking of (not even The Yarn would go near the JVP), The Yarn is forced to go with the next closest thing to “Central Planning”; the Rajafucksa Bro’s. Of course The Yarn would never consider a progressive party like the UNP, that’s a non-sequitur. Certainly not after JR forced him to apologize, like Agnos claims. But like all good Commies, The Yarn enjoys more from the West than the East: books, movies, French Riviera, even women (The Yarn is now on his third wife).

Ahhh, I misread; the failed marriages were on the part of The Yarn, not his mother (the “rebel Catholic”). So The Yarn went from calling the mother a fascist to being a womanizer.

Bugger would’ve found meaningful employment in Stalin’s Gulags (isn’t Stalin one of his idols).

Dear Heshan,
Did the irony gene bypass your gene pool?

On one hand, “…Isn’t that the Sri Lankan way – to never admit defeat, instead, just resort to name-calling, ad hominem attacks, etc..:

And on the other … “…His mother was a whore (lots of failed marriages), whom he denounced as a fascist:”

Nice… very nice..

How many relationships (married or otherwise) does a woman have to have to qualify as a ‘whore’? 3, 4 or 10 or more? How many relationships did your wife/partner/boyfriend/girlfriend have before hooking up with you?

There is no irony in it, nor name-calling, nor ad hominem attacks.

By his own admission , The Yarn called his mother a neo-fascist when he was 14. I don’t know any children that do that; perhaps Stalin (whom I’m not familiar with), but certainly Hitler didn’t go that far.

It seems as if The Yarn was cultivating very strong political sensibilities even as a young child; not very different from Prabhakaran who read about Indian nationalists and dreamed of being a revolutionary.

Perhaps The Yarn also wished to become a revolutionary, but realized the folly of it when The Sons of The Soil beat him up in ’92. Revolutionaries, by nature, are very convincing, especially when it comes to inciting the masses.

Loser1: Hak hak hak… running away from Mango’s question using “yanne koheda malle pol” theory?

Loser2: How about tamil christian peelam jokers?

Dear Heshan,
Forget about DJ’s teenage tantrums. I’m genuinely interested to know of your definition of a ‘whore’. i.e. your cut-off point for the number of sexual partners a woman has before she moves into the ‘whore’ category. And I mean this quite sincerely, although I realise that your reply will er… be ..
M

@ Mango,

I was only referring to marriage. But I suppose you consider a woman on her 5th marriage, as “fresh as sunshine.” Do you speak from experience, by any chance?

Dear Heshan,

So just to get this absolutely clear:
According to you any woman who’s been married more than five times (i.e had sex with five different men) is defined as a “whore.”

OK, great, got that cleared up.

I’d thought of multiple marriages as the ‘triumph of hope over experience’, but until now not as ‘whoredom.’

Marriage comes with baggage; there’s a reason why most people don’t marry more than two times.

Anyway, I commend you for your interest in marrying a woman on her sixth marriage; assuming (I) the age gap is not 30 years, and (II) you can support her 5-6 children (baggage), in addition to any you may have.

By the way, here’s the type of woman very likely to marry 6 different guys:

http://www.hotmommagossip.com/2011/04/04/hugh-hefner-will-marry-crystal-harris-without-a-prenup/

She’s not your typical street-whore; the term is “money-whore.”

Really nice, Heshan. Good that you made your position absolutely unambiguously, clear.

That must be the definition for “whore” as per the peelam law. ha ha ha…..

Yeah.. Seems as if he suffered some kind of internal cross connection. Scary.

hak hak.. fucking loser… trying to adjust the goal post when i showed the contradiction in your low cast tamil terrorist philosophy? go fuck yourself low cast tamil christian terrorist bitch. you have nothing to do with Sri Lanka. Go ahead and masturbate in front of your peelam map. your style of masturbation can attract other losers like Bean and your own ugly stinky tamil terrorist mom. Nobody else gives a fuck about your peelam. LOL

Bitch must be busy with this.. LOL

http://www.news.com.au/national/afp-called-in-to-control-detainee-riot-in-christmas-island-detention-centre/story-e6frfkxi-1226073049373