Mahinda Interview On Al Jazeera
The Jazeera has an interesting and well shot segment on Sri Lanka. The money part is about 13:00 in, an interview with Mahinda Rajapaksa. I actually agree with a lot of what he has to say. Except the part where he says that they didn’t kill any civilians. Though I don’t think they were targeted. Per broader reconciliation, he says that people on the ground want homes, jobs and education. Which, in my brief experience, is true. Say democracy and they’re like ‘we don’t care’. So perhaps he’s right in that the basic living infrastructure needs to be set.
Overall, however, these questions are so driven by what seem to be Tamil Diaspora concerns. Who, like Mahinda says, haven’t really been back here on seen the ground situ for ages. I’m in Jaffna right now and it’s weird, but we were also wandering around looking for food and midnight and, though quiet, people were out. Which is new. They’re celebrating Vesak in the town but there was also a Hindu procession around Nallur.
But, I guess I agree with Mahinda on a lot of these questions, which I think are dumb. The western media has a certain frame it’s hard to break out of, and it misses some of the real issues. On the slanted issues, I think Mahinda comes out OK.
“They’re celebrating Vesak in the town”
Indi, I live in Jaffna. You and Mahinda visit this place. Can you tell whom you refer to as “they” in your sentence quoted above?
They probably refer to the SLA and the relatively large number of Sinhalese merchants living in jaffna town
I mean ‘they’ as in plural human beings.
Don’t you know indi? He was clearly referring to “them”. Everyone knows who “they” are. It is forbidden to utter “their” name in public. Shush.
Aachcharya,
that’s simple men, “they” = SL Forces.
Civilians probably died from shelling, cross fires, ..etc., but they were never targeted. All could have been saved if the LTTE just let them leave rather than holding them against their will. LTTE sand bagged themselves with civilians against the SL Forces.
Most Tamils in the Western World don’t really dream or “care” about going back home and settling down. I asked a Tamil bakery owner here in Toronto, “Are going to go visit SL now that the war is over?”…”why, I could go to south america, same beaches..no difference…kids would probably enjoy the Caribbean more, plus there is no one back home”…I was surprised. I’m not mad at her or anything, she’s a very nice person, but they just seem to have forgotten where they come from.
“they just seem to have forgotten where they come from.”
Thank God.
I watched it too. Mahinda came out ok. The questions were the same questions that western media brings out who cannot digest the fact that we defeated the terrorists that they thought were undefeatable and put their money on! They are all acting as sore losers. Now that their horse has lost the race, their doing all they can to create a scandal around the winning horse so he glory of the victory and the praise due can be taken away as much as possible.
Al Jazeeera always backed the tigers. I think they saw them in the same light they see the Hamas in Palestine, the under dog!
Al Jazeeera had vested interests in the middle east, but to be fair to them the woman gave a balanced interview, and Mahinda handled it quite well. Not the most politically astute way of handling things, especially the US involvement in Iraq. But Mahinda’s gigantic smile compensated for whatever slips that happened. :)
As indi puts it he’s right about a couple of things namely what tamils in the north want, and the double standards of war. The latter isn’t as big of a deal as the former. I just hope Mahinda delivers on his economic promises
Al Jazeera has at times been pro-ltte and at others pro-GoSL, during the war.
As usual being an institute of journalism, when they thought they saw hot juicy “atrocities” that would get themselves the pulitzer prize, they got on board with the rest of them without proof, to scrutinize us, at our and especially those people who lived in a war zone for over 28 years, expense.
indi..u just cant blame the western media about the perception they have about lanka…they just merely repeat what u guys telling them about us!
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Mahinda sounds like Vito Corleone would if he was interrogated the same way Michael Corleone was in Godfather II.
And I think it’s funny that he compares his shitty government to those of US and Britain. Even Glenn Beck would assure you that Obama hasn’t appointed some fucker like Merv the Perv as a department secretary.
Shitty government??? …seriously?!
opposition is so damn weak they can’t even appoint a proper opposition leader. MR could give a rats ass about Glenn Beck, the guy is nothing but a useless tea partying republican without a degree.
I mean what does democracy mean to guy who appointed Mervyn Silva as the media minister?
you seriously need to read the news daily, he’s not the media minister any more.
I think Mervin is far better than Glenn Beck.
Ah Lefroy, what to say. I’ve noticed that you’ve been loosing it in the ‘sense’ department of late. But i suggest you go ask your mommy and daddy what the word ‘context’ means.
And god father comparison was an epic failure, unless you meant it as a veiled compliment. Vito was by far the hero of God Father II.
Dear Extinct Bird… Why? Am I not making sense? You ask a man, who appointed a gangster as the media minister to investigate himself. Ultimately, all this (charges of war crimes and human rights violations) are about democracy. The appointment of Merv the perv tells everything about the attitude our Maharaja has towards democracy… Of course Vito is the hero of Godfather II because there, our point of view is from within the mafia family. Mahinda, to guys like you, is a hero for the same reason… If you paid attention to the movies, you’d get what I mean. Michael was highly educated, and unlike Vito, was a genuine business guy. No way Vito could’ve handled it the way Michael did.
WTF are you talking about? Mahinda never talks about his government’s administration compared to that of America & England, all he talks about is the double standards when it comes to war crime allegations. That is where you lost context. It’s damn pathetic that all you can offer as criticism is whining about Merv, but lets face it mervin has only a provincial role in the government. There is no denying that a deputy minister under the president holds very little effective authority. So you fail even there. Ah, such is the tragedy.
And you are making up shit about the god father. The godfather was never about who was a better businessman, that analogy doesn’t exist. Vito was a hero because he was respected by his peers, Michael was a failure because he was only feared. That is the central comparison between the two, the entire third book is about Michael coming to terms about his failure at being the god father. But even then, how the fuck is related to mahinda’s interview.
And oh, Dodo. I hear that you cry out a word everytime you masturbate. “PEDANTIC”. Hah hah.
@Dodo… Now who’s speaking nonsense? … The thing about Mervyn was never how much power he gets as a deputy minister. It was about Mahinda’s attitude towards Free Speech, towards democracy. What do you think Mahinda expected to achieve by appointing a minister who is notorious for attacking media organisations and stabbing journalists as the deputy minister of mass media and information? … Double standards? Obama says they’d investigate themselves. Then, upon hearing that, Mugabe says they’d investigate themselves. Who’re you more likely to trust. At least in the US, you’re allowed to speak about those things. Here you’d be taken by a white van… Of course the Godfather wasn’t about who’s the better businessman. But it is important in understanding the difference between Michael and Vito. Michael, being highly educated, being a first rate businessman, knew how to handle it when the government began investigating him. Vito would’ve done well too, having senators in his pocket. But I don’t think he’d have handled the interrogations the way Michael did. Unlike Michael, he grew up in the streets… Also, Mahinda’s voice is very similar to Vito’s.
You know Lefroy, it’s a minor miracle you don’t electrocute yourself every time you turn on a computer. Nothing you have written here has any relevance what so ever to mahinda’s interview. Not nauseating & delusional bit about white vans, merv and democracy, don’t you get tired of the same jargon; not the gaga talk about Obama, Mugabe and investigations; or the absolutely nonsensical analogy about the God Father. WTF are you talking about man?
In case you need clarification, I said Mahinda compared his admin to that of US and Britain because he believes the same standards that are applied to US and Britain should be applied to his. To say that, he must believe his admin and Obama’s admin are equals, which is just ridiculous, not because US is all powerful, but because unlike the US, this country is run by a bunch of barbarians with absolutely no idea about rule of law… Btw, I think in a way, Godfather II is a bullshit movie (although it’s one of the favourites of mine). What? You can kill, gamble and do all that shit and still be redeemable if you respect your peers and love your family? Mahinda must really like the idea.
It is exactly because the US is allegedly “not run by barbarians” that any allegation or evidence of war crimes (of which there are plenty) against them should be taken that much more seriously. So why is this not being done?
Lefroy is coconut. Brown on hairy on the outside and white on the inside. He grew up watching English movies from both sides of the Atlantic ocean. He grew up with the great American illusion of freedom. Which is all great and admirable, illusion or not, it is a beautiful thing.
The problem is, lefroy the coconut, despises the fact that he’s living in Sri Lanka and not in the West where he would fit right in (or so one would assume).
Lefroy, doesn’t understand what it means to be Sri Lankan, after all, he is a hybrid, like a mule. I feel sorry for lefroy, he was probably teased as a kid by all the “local” kids (to him they were local as he thought himself not local). Lefroy, let go of the past, don’t take it so personally. Those kids were teasing you because they liked you, if for one minute you’d get off your high horse and realise they were playing with you and you are also a “local boy”, a Sri Lankan, maybe you’d stop being so miserable.
With lots of love,
The Goblin,
Your Friend,
Always,
xoxo
Now lefroy, before you scrutinize me, begin to despise me and disassociate yourself with being Sri Lankan given the mistakes in English I made in the post above, I want you to take a deep breath and embrace your Sri Lankan side, that’s the brown hairy side, not the white tasty side. Ok, good boy. xoxo
Someone needs to flush lefroy down the toilet where he belongs.
What fuck are you saying here. Do you think there are two standards of war, one for the naughty boys and another for the nice boys? That is the biggest hypocrisy I’ve ever heard, you must be an utter and absolute moron. There is only one standard for war, and there should be only one metric for measuring war crimes. And that should be an objective one, completely divorced from the said country’s other democratic signifiers. Tell me, does the civil justice system give specials pardons for murder just because the culprit used to be a famous doctor, or do such doctors get special permission to investigate themselves when other civilians don’t. Where is the fucking justice in that? Remember, Justicia is blind for a reason.
What an imbecile like you fail to recognize here is this, you, by advocating this moronic double standard, are holding the people of Fallujah to completely different standard than the Tamils of the north, because the Americans were apparently nicer to their own constituents and because America follows the rule of law inside america. For all your proclamations of liberalism you either have an ill conceived notion of justice, or you are willing to compromise that in order to support your petty agenda.
No, Mahinda is completely correct in calling out the US & UK on the double standard. The biggest elephant in the room is the fact that the USA refuses to ratify the Rome statutes. they do this for a reason, and an obvious one.
Also, Mahinda can barely hide the fact that he’s one of them, one of those like Mervyn – the hondata hondai narakata narakai type. That’s Vito for you, not Michael, who was much more sophisticated.
1. Mahinda, once again, didn’t have a good run with the interview business. Partly due to language constrictions.
2. Mahinda says, “People are moving back and forth, north and south”. That’s not really true. People from the South are going to the North but the Northerns aren’t really having a good day at Galle Face, are they?
3. Mahinda says, Tamil people are not marginalized. We had two votes, where Tamils overwhelming voted against Mahinda that shows the Tamil people don’t agree with what he is doing or saying.
4. I like the part where he talks about internal matters. So does he mean that parents can beat their children to death as long as it is done in their house???????????????????????????????????????????????
5. Mahinda is correct in saying a crime is a crime. Only thing is his family members will not be investigated
If anybody wants to know Mahinda’s real mindset they would just have to read the Human Rights Watch report of Aug 2007 where Mahinda told a Tamil Editor, “I will teach your people a lesson”. hopefully he’s done that and now will push for reconciliation.
regarding your 3d point. Why don’t look at the Vanni, Trinco, Batticaloa & Jaffna election results and epeat that again with a straight face. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_parliamentary_election,_2010#District_by_district
As for you last point, I can’t find that publication online. Care to help me with a link to the original HRW report which says this. I’m not interested in commentaries and blogs.
Dear Way of the Dodo,
Thanks for your reply.
You make a good point with your link, regarding my 3rd point. Tamil voter turnout was poor, no doubt. But Tamils will not support Mahinda for they know his heart. But you are using parlimentary elections to prove your point, which does not properly gauge Tamil support for Mahinda, the presidential election results were defitiely telling. Even though Tamils voted for Sarath Fonseka, they voted for the lesser of two evils. The Tamils who voted for UPFA voted for their man/woman in their constituency. That doesn’t necessarily mean support for Mahinda. It may mean lets vote this guy in so he can get things done by the government. That’s probably how Min.Douglas Devananda got elected.
But don’t forget the elctions weren’t free and fair!
I didn’t make this claim:
“We had two votes, where Tamils overwhelming voted against Mahinda ”
you did. I just some evidence to the contrary. Also, these areas have always had very low voter turnout historically. If you look at the percentage deviation from the national average, you will see there isn’t much of difference from the 2001 & 2004 election.
Also, if you feel that Tamils voted for their man/woman in the local constituency from the UPFA pool. That certainly means they don’t feel marginalized at the legislative level. Otherwise they would have voted for a non-UPFA candidate.
I didn’t say you made that claim. I know I did, go back and check my replies to your post.
While you are somewhat right in saying “Tamils don’t feel marginalized at the Legislative level” it is not entirely correct. As Tamils are using whatever options that are left to them. But that does not translate into support for Mahinda.
The nature of parliamentary system is such. UPFA is not really a party, although in parliament they would be considered as such, they are really a coalition of parties. For eg: Former TNA MPs who contested under the UPFA symbol.
Anyway my main point is, the vast majority of the Tamil people will not vote for Mahinda given a free and fair poll.
Because Mahinda doesn’t stand for the aspirations of the Tamils. He stood for the aspirations of the JHU and JVP. And got his brother to make a deal with the LTTE to force the Tamil people to boycott the presidential elections of 2005.
If Mahinda makes a genuine effort to equally treat Tamils and give into the legitimate aspirations then he can get the Tamil people’s vote.
Thanks for engaging with me. Good to have this discussion
Dear The way of the Dodo,
You can find the publication on: http://www.hrw.org
It is under, VIII. Freedom of Expression and Association
sub heading: Attacks on Uthayan and Sudar Oli
the link straight to the page will be : http://www.hrw.org/en/node/10799/section/9
These are Mahinda’s exact words to editor Vithyatharan, as told by him to HRW.
“I am not like Chandrika [former President Chandrika Kumaratunga]! I am a different person! I will hammer you people and teach a lesson to your people in Jaffna!’
Editor Vithyatharan says there were 25 editors at this morning meeting with Mahinda.
Hope this is helpful. Thank you.
Regarding your second point, there is nothing preventing the Northerns from having a good time at Galle Face, except economic constrictions. Those are due to the depths to which the LTTE dragged that whole area. I honestly don’t think many of the over 50s who are returning from the camps will ever be able to enjoy the quality of life they deserve, but they cannot blame the government for that. What do you think, money grows on trees?
On the other hand, for the younger generations, everything they need to make a success of themselves is being and will continue to be available to them. Now, if only they don’t inherit your attitude of sitting on your ass and whining about your pathetic existence instead of doing something about it?
Dear Dilan,
Thanks for your reply.
The LTTE was a creation by the GoSL.
If the GoSL had been willing to give reasonable amount of autonomy to Tamils there would be no LTTE or no ethnic conflict. But the GoSL chose the path of terrrorism from 1956.
The GoSL is responsible for starting the war. As a result of that they are for the majority part responsible. Tamils worked hard and then the sinhalese mobs, backed by GoSL, came and looted and burned their properties and persons (riots of 1958, 1983 among others. Same has happend in Kilinochchi and Mullaithivu where looting of houses by armed forces has taken place.
As for your comment on the younger generation; you can’t be serious??? They don’t have everything they need. Even the younger generation in the south don’t have everything they need to succeed in life. The GoSL does need to create an environment of opportunities.
As for your comment, “sitting on your……….. ….. and doing something about it”. Well, when Tamils did do something and attained high positions they were struck down through discriminatory policies and then through terrorism. That’s the tragedy of Sri Lanka.
I hope the GoSL will learn it’s lesson and strive to create equality of all people living on this island.
Tamils were taught a lesson alright, and they will be taught another one if they don’t pull their socks up and act like civilised peopple.
Those who hide behind pen names are teaching lessons no one will learn.
You need to have a retrospective look at your comments and see if it is worth your while to write such drivel.
Give us something to ponder and learn. You’ve done neither with your comments
@Dodo… I guess that’s how extinct birds see it. I think Mahinda sounds like Vito Corleone. You, being an extinct bird, don’t think so. I think you can’t realistically expect a man who appointed a man who’s notorious for attacks against Free Speech as the deputy media minister, to investigate his own crimes and find himself guilty. You, being an extinct bird, don’t think so. What seems like “whatsoever” to me, looks like “what so ever” to you. What looks like “Godfather” to me, looks like “God father” to you. No wonder you’re extinct.
Great argument you got me, I loose.
Lefroy, you should stop writing and then go take a loooong shit and think about your pathetic existence. They say the best ideas come to mind on the shitter. Try it.
Almost an year ago, Selvarasa Pathmanathan, alias K.P, then the “provisional” head of the LTTE, announced the formation of what he described as a Provisional Transnational Government of Tamil Eelam. (http://tamilnational.com/news-flash/1327-transnational-government-of-tamil-eelam.html).
KP appointed the then legal advisor to the LTTE, Rudrakumar Viswanathan, to head a committee set up to work out the details of this so called transnational government.
Today, KP is enjoying caviar at the expense of the Sri Lankan government at Visumpaya, which earlier housed the current Minister of External Affairs, G.L.Peiris and before him, the former leader of the opposition and then speaker of the parliament, bon vivant Anura Bandaranaike.
In KP´s absence, Rudrakumaran just got himself elected as the CEO of the re-branded provisional government, now called a “Transnational Constituent Assembly of Tamil Eelam”.
The whole sordid saga of this election process, where Rudrakumaran appointed his close friend and business partner, Ramsey Clark to oversee his own election, is reported in detail (http://www.dailymirror.lk/print/index.php/opinion1/11758-the-politics-of-transnational-tamil-eelam-govt.html) by D.B.S Jeyraj, whose insider information provides illuminating details of the power struggle between Rudrakumaran and other LTTE factions to take control of the pot of gold KP left behind.
What he leaves out are or course the sordid details like how Rudra appointed friends and family to all the country working groups, or how the so called Independent Election Commissioners were all former or current associated of Rudra and his cohorts. While groups opposing Rudra did manage to get at least a handful of their supporters elected, more than 85% of the members of this fake government (for a country that does not exist) are all Rudra faithfuls, simply stuffed in there to give Rudra a semblance of authority and respectability, so he can go with his hand-out to get the hand-outs from friendly governments, NGO´s and of course, the collection from the much pressed Tamil Diaspora.
Young Obi2canibe, a student of the East Anglia University, born in Jaffna and who is proud to identify himself as from Tamil Eelam, has been good enough to give us a detailed list of those who were seeking to be elected to this fake government and those who were finally elected here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnational_Constituent_Assembly_of_Tamil_Eelam_election_2010
All of these are in one way or another connected to an ruthless terrorist organization banned in many countries around the world. Now that we have these names out in the open, we need to find more details of who these people are and then bring them to notice of the proper authorities.
Please help the people of Sri Lanka and its diaspora around the world to get rid of this scrooge once and all. Go to the wikipedia page, look at the names, if you have any information concerning any one of these, post them here or send us a private email at Lankans Against terro with the details. Please remember to give us any URL´s, and any published documentation which we can attribute so the information is credible and stands inspection.
Join us in publicizing this page, our twitter account (https://twitter.com/Antiterroristas) our user page (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001137403792) and our anti-terrorism group page (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=116291341745319). We will soon start petitions to be sent to governments, letters to major western newspapers and will start a major advertising campaign here in Facebook.
We need every bit of help. Make it count!
Hunt those bitches down, Israeli style.
It shall be done.
I have never figured out what these people intend to accomplish with all this. It looks like a grand ponsi scheme to sustain a bunch left over LTTE leaders.
@Rangouk… Could you please tell me what it means to be Sri Lankan? Does that mean you have to kiss the asses of government politicians and offer your own ass to people like Mervyn Silva? Does it mean that you have to stand by your government even if it intentionally shells Tamils civilians, infants, kids and the elderly? Tell me Rangouk. Why do you think I’m not a true Sri Lankan? Is it because I can’t stomach the above? What does I have to do to be truly Sri Lankan? … I make language mistakes more often than anybody else who regularly comments here because I type fast and never proof-read. I pointed out Dodo’s mistake merely to enforce the point I made earlier.
Lefroy, this is getting thoroughly boring. Repeating the same bullshit ad nauseam isn’t winning you any arguments. See the problem the government shelling Tamils is two fold. firstly, people like you are willing to enjoy the benefits of the victory but never acknowledge the consequences. The moment this government started the war it was guaranteed that a large number of innocent people were going to die, history has reiterated this point many a time. Some of us acknowledge this and don’t drool on our own naiveté. Secondly, the intentionally shelling bit is a vociferous canard that your camp has erected, no one else acknowledges this. Hilary Clinton’s recent remarks adds credence to my point. How do you assign intent to the government actions, where is this evidence of intent. All the evidence your side claims is that the government shelled areas demarcated as civilian. that is just a nonsensical argument since the LTTE knew very well what those boundaries are and have had a grand history of abusing such boundaries and well as manipulating the foreign NGOs. This brings us to the matter of alternatives. What were the government’s alternatives after the LTTE decided to use the civilians as a shield.
Dear Nilan,
1. Something close to a genocide did happen in the Vanni.
2. ICG says 75,000 people are unaccounted for, former UN spokeman, Gordon Weiss, says probably 40,000 may have been killed.
3. The GoSL did target Tamil civilians. The LTTE also shot Tamil civilians to prevent them from leaving. But the GoSL should not have bombed the, so called, NO Fire Zone that the GoSL unilaterally declared. The GoSL declared a No Fire Zone and urged people to go into it and then the Airforce bombed it. There is evidence from satellite images but not revealed to all.
4. I’m willing to accept the faults of the LTTE but you must be willing to accept the faults of the GoSL as well. Only then can we really moved towards reconciliation.
Yes, the Sri Lankan government specifically targeted the Tamil populous being the ebil bastards they are. We boxed them in and had a pigs breakfast of it, a grand sinhala nationalist slaughter.
There are we done with the finger pointing.
Zion. Can you really flush me down your toilet? Gee you must have a giant asshole.
Zion. Can you really flush me down your toilet. Gee you must have a giant asshole.
Mahinda says Tamil civilians were not killed. Indi says they were. The truth is that Tamil civilians who happened to be living under the LTTE were killed and are being deinied justice.
Indi says that Tamil civilians although killed were not targeted. The truth is (as per Channel 4) they were targeted and a Sinhalese high-ranking official, probably one of Sarth Fonseka’s friends – Sarath being one of Indi’s friends too – until he lost … confirms that the orders came direct from the President’s office.
“Finish them off” were the orders. Some say 20,000, some say 40,000, some who were there say 100,000. Certainly, many are missing.
But there you have it. It will never be finished, will it. Once all the Wesak frolicing is over, once the opportunity to win the peace is completely and totally lost, it will not be over. Once a few opportunists get bored with trying to make money out of a dying race, what then?
It will only just begin and it will keep going on and on and on forever.
More Sinhalese soldiers will die, more civilians will die and that which is set in stone will be carved out of more blood.
Meanwhile Indi will keep writing “smart Alec” articles and acting like he’s the most politically astute journalist in Sri Lanka.
Stop wanking on the fence as usual you fake.
Another war and Tamils in Sri Lanka will be DECIMATED. So stop talking tough…
You are hiding behind an alias and talking tough? I guess, that’s sinhala courage
You know it’s true, another war and Tamils will be pissed on.
As long as the GoSL doesn’t start it.
@Dodo… And how do you know? How do you know that people weren’t brutally executed? How do you know people weren’t inhumanly tortured, raped and bla bla bla? There should be investigations after every war, just so the winners can live with themselves… Where have I said I agree to those double standards? Pay attention. I’m not saying the double standards are right. I’m just saying you can’t realistically expect the same standards to be applied to us as to the US when ours is a country like Mervyn Silva, and US is a like J.R. Jayawardena.
Bullshit. How do i know there wasn’t rape etc…, because you don’t have evidence. Google ‘burden of proof’, it might help. You see the victors can have their own investigation, to reconcile with their conscious. We don’t need Nurse Ratched from Geneva stuffing non-existent standards down our throats.
Again more of this bullshit double standard, you cannot deny what is coming out of your mouth.
“I’m just saying you can’t realistically expect the same standards to be applied to us as to the US when ours is a…”
That is a fucking double standard. Are you blind? What type of monkey fuu are you talking here? You are unequivocally saying it is less wrong for Americans to do what they are doing and that they should be held to a different standard, because of some made up fantasy about the standards of civil governance. How Americans & Mahinda run their respective countries has fuck all to do with how they should be treated by the law.
And please Mervyn is a doll when compared to JR. Tell me who was in power when the government did nothing to stop a bunch of lunatics running around and killing tamils. And tell me who was in power when the SL army, under direct orders from the government slaughtered anyone who was remotely suspected of being associated with the JVP. 50000 deaths have been cataloged in 1987-1989, and many more unaccounted for. This wasn’t like the Vanni incident where people got killed by shells. The army went from house to house dragged out people whom they thought was remotely associated with the JVP, many of whom weren’t, then executed them in cold blood, in some cases burned them alive inside barrels. If there ever was a case for genocide in this country, it was the one perpetrated by J.R against the Sinhalese youth.
@Dodo… Wow. Somebody’s got something up his ass… I’m very familiar with the concept of burden of proof. Again. Pay attention. I’m not saying SL Army raped women and tortured men. I’m simply saying that those could have happened. In fact, those things usually happen during any war, hence the need for investigations. The government cannot turn a blind eye to them, because these are crimes. Sadly, that’s exactly what the GoSL is doing… About the double standards. Well, I think I’ve made my point. Anyone with a brain (a human brain) can read and understand it, and then read what you wrote and understand that you don’t understand it, or that you pretend not to understand it.
Way to go! when all else fails, live in denial. I’m not a only person to call you out on the US comparison, Dilan did as well.
And lovely equivocation on war crimes, no one says there shouldn’t be an investigation. That’s just your made up fantasy, it’s an international body taking over Sri Lankan judicial matters that people don’t like.
About JR being worse than Mervyn. Yeah that’s the point.
First you said,
Then you said,
Now you say,
this is a new level of fail
@Dodo… Goddamn it Dodo. I should’ve known it is pointless to argue with an extinct bird… JR, like the US, did more harm than Mervyn (Sri Lanka). But does he look like barbarian to you? Did Michael Corleone look like a barbarian to you? Did Hitler look like a barbarian to you? They don’t. That’s because they’re not… Mervyn, on the other hand is a barbarian, just like the ones in Africa.
Ah, so a Barbarian’s word & a Gentleman’s word are to be held to a different standard. What a wonderful interpretation of the law you have. I guess Rangouk, was on the money when he called you a coconut.
Of course I was right. But don’t be mad at lefroy, he’s an innocent fellow, more or less.
And does Lee Kwan Yew look like a barbarian to you?
Lee Kuan Yew never faced suicide bombers, aerial attacks and terror activities keeping the people on the two nations he fought so hard to keep united, in misery for over 20 years. He never had the opportunity to be perceived a barbarian by the likes of you.
Even then I still don’t see how Lee Kuan being a barbarian o not has anything to do with how international law applies to him.
Lee Kwan Yew is a despotic twat.
@Dilan… I didn’t see your comment… Yeah that’s how it should be, except we live in the real world.
@dodo… “no one says there shouldn’t be an investigation.” Really? Wow. That Lessons Learnt and Reconciliation Committee must be looking really really genuine to you.
It was genuine enough for Hilary Clinton, in her capacity as secretary of state, so i guess you should stop passing judgement on things you don’t know about.
Lefroy forgets too soon. Why don’t I here him argue about the war in Iraq and how the entire thing was based on lies of WMD.
@Dodo… A barbarian and a gentleman (one appears to be a gentleman) shouldn’t be held to different standards. But obviously that’s how the real world works… Imagine you and me being classmates. You’re an extinct bird who thinks he’s a boy, and I’m the next Albert Einstein. Imagine what’d happen if we both do something wrong. It’s probably unfair. But that’s how it works. When you have a bad name, you have a bad name… Hilary Clinton. Hah. You forget the fact that she wasn’t smart enough to win an election that she was supposed to win. Ban Ki MOON however, doesn’t think it genuine, now does he? Louise Arbour (not sure I got the name right) doesn’t think either. Any idiot who ever lived in this country knows this is all bullshit… (btw, if rangouk was on the money when he said I’m a coconut, now he’s on your manhood)
Ah so you are gladly reciprocating the hypocrisy. This has fuck all to do with who can get away with what. Mahinda made an argument about what is defined as the standard. whether everyone respects the standard or not doesn’t take anything away from his argument.
And you made idiocy apparent yet again. Hilary Clinton, may have lost the democratic nomination, but she is still the secretary of state. And when She makes a statement on a podium with state department emblem on it she making an official US government statement or position ipso facto. As for Ban Ki, You should really keep up with the times buddy. Why don’t you go back and read about what Ban Ki recently said about the ICG report and what he thinks about Mahinda’s commission. For some with the gall the call himself einstein, you are completely out of step with what is happening in the real world.
Lefroy, leave me out of dodo’s man hood, thanks.
@Rangouk… You want me to argue about war in Iraq? Do you also want me to argue about human rights violations in China, Thailand, India, Myanmar, Russia, Indonesia, Iran, Syria, Sudan, Rwanda, Ivory Coast, Venezuela, Cuba, and inside your house?
No, just consider what you’re saying. How is it that AI/HRW etc, are showcasing Sri Lanka when the very country they are based in and base their standards of HR, have violated HR’s and lied to nations and invaded another nation based on this lie. I don’t hear them asking GWB to go to the hague? Oh are we going to turn a blind eye to the atrocities committed by the US/UK etc, because you believe their atrocities are of a different league to ours?
Since nobody’s arguing against it anymore, shall I take it that everybody thinks Mahinda sounded like Vito Corleone?
@Dodo… Oh I forgot. About the LLRC. As I said, can you expect a man who appointed someone like Mervyn as deputy media minister, to investigate himself and find himself guilty?
@dodo… So I take thbt the only thing we are arguing from now on are the double standards… Mahinda’s arguement, as an arguement, is valid. But that’s all it is: an arguement. When you are boy known for doing bad things, you must know you’ll be held to a different standard than a good boy would be when he gets caught. It’s like a magistrate would be much harsher to a know criminal than to a man who’s got caught for the first time. This could be unfair. But the bad boy, at least partly, is responsible for it… About MOON. He hasn’t abandoned his panel idea yet, has he? … About Clinton. Isn’t she the same woman who said sinhalese soldiers fu**ed women tigers? So do you think SL Army used their dicks as weapons?
Blah blah blah, much dilution here. You should look for a job in homeopathy. Rangouk has already said what I have to say about this.
As for Moon, his most recent statement, the one made on the 25th, was that he will hold Mahinda’s panel to an international standard. And Hilary, on the 28th, made it very clear that the US government supports Mahinda’s panel. The British were only in it for the elections and abandoned the diaspora as if it was some washed up street hooker. So there really isn’t anything more to that conversation.
@rangouk… Do you think Amnesty and HRW have never criticised USA? I hope you don’t, because that’s just ignorance… But of course, organisations like these have their biases. But does that make their findings and allegations invalid? The Sri Lankan panel of experts which argued that the channel 4 tape was fake, was obviously biased. But does that fact, and that fact alone, make any of their findings untrue?
I never said that. What I’m trying to say is, why the double standards in you? When you so vehemently say that Mahinda is crazy if he thinks he can compare his government to the likes of the US/UK, you made it seem as if though you believed that those governments were perfect, when they are not, and the only reason you would think that is beyond me, and reason why I called you a coconut.
It hard to say if any findings are true or not, when all the evidence come from unverifiable “shadow” sources. For all we know someone somewhere could be making all this stuff up, just in spite, or a grand scale scam to collect money from gullible pundits.
All this hoo haa, over nothing. Lets concentrate on the ground situation in Sri Lanka and keep eye on increasing the security and quality of peoples lives, specially the previously war torn areas. I’m sick of seeing people 1000′s of miles away trying to meddle in our business.
@Rangouk… Ah I’m tired of this. I don’t want to repeat myself… @Dodo… This’ll be my last comment on this thread. I just remembered, once, when you were talking about the Army shelling Tamil civilians, you said that they (GoSL) made a brutal, difficult and yet right decision. I just wonder, do you also think that the JVP made a similar decision in 89?
The JVP & the UNP at that time were morons. The JVP for being utterly delusional. The Government for being genocidal. GoSl never went into IDP camps drag out every single person that could have been remotely associated with the LTTE and proceed to assassinate them en masse. If that had happened in vanni, then I would say what happened in Vanni was wrong and the GoSL should be tried for crimes against humanity. But that clearly didn’t happen, if it had all those IDP would have fled away from the GoSL instead of running to government areas.
@Rangouk… Just one point before I leave. Do you notice the fact that in US, you can actually talk about these things, criticise the government, sue the government and still not get killed?
lol, this is such a joke. What are you doing right now? Are their gunmen outside your house?
@dodo… I didn’t read your last comment… I ask again. Has MOON abandoned the UN panel idea? I ask again. Do you think sinhalese soldiers used their dicks as weapons? … I ask the other question again too. Do you think JVP did the right thing in 89? Do you think it was right for the USA to bomb Hiroshima? These were all, brutal and difficult decisions.
Mr. Moon is a diplomat , he’ll never make absolutely unequivocal statements. But he had put off his panel for 100 odd days, then slammed the ICG and finally voiced support for the government panel. This says much in Diplomat speech.
As for hiroshima, I remember there being a massive debate on campus between different members of faculty as to whether it was justified. This is a difficult call. Would the japanese have surrendered if they didn’t use the A-bomb. This is an open question even with our hindsight. So, who knows. But here’s one argument, if the Japanese had decided to fight it to the bitter end the death toll would have been close to 3 million.
It’s really hypocritic dodo. You use Clinton’s word to support your claim that the panel is genuine. But on the other hand if someone used what she said to support the idea that SL Army raped women, you’d bark at them.
Where is the hypocrisy. This is about the perceived legitimacy of the panel, Hilary may very well still think that SLA raped Tamils. But that doesn’t detract from her statements about the legitimacy of the panel. As for the panel, even I don’t think it’s genuine. But that should be a given.
@rangouk… No. I need to reapeat myself. Otherwise you’d say something… I don’t agree with double standards. But when a country shells its own citizens, people are bound to say it’s run by babarians.. Yeah. I think Mahinda’s crazy, especially when he’s partly responsible for the double standards.
What are Mahinda’s double standards? He has no standards when it comes to what other countries do regards to their internal issues. What do you mean by Mahinda’s double standards?
Before it gets to the point where you accuse me of being a blind Mahi supporter, let me say, I’m not. Although I do support him at a crucial time, it doesn’t mean I support everything he does. Although I don’t share “sri lanka is doomed for dictatorship” type beliefs, in the rare case I’m wrong, and me being the ass hole I am, all I have to say is, well, if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.
@Rangouk… You haven’t raised any new points. I’m about to leave the thread… @Dodo… Finally. So the panel is not genuine. That’s something. That makes Mahinda a true Mafia guy… Since now you don’t use Hilary statement to support the panel’s legitimacy (not perceived legitimacy), I can’t use that to call you a hypocrite… However, you are perfectly hypocritical about the JVP. Commenting on another post of indi’s, you said that we know the army shelled civilians, and that was a brutal, difficult, yet right decision. JVP might have been utterly delusional. But they made a brutal and difficult decision for something they believed to be right. And yet you condemn the JVP for doing that. That’s hypocritical. Another question. What about the LTTE? They bombed civilian buses, shot pilgrims etc. All these were brutal and difficult decisions made to achieve something they believed to be right. So according to you, what they did was right, isn’t it? Or is it that whatever you say right is right and whatever you say wrong is wrong… About MOON. The fact that he still cherishes that idea of creating a panel tells a lot too…
The JVP was dumb, being dumb was wrong. As for the LTTE, i would have done many of the same things they did. Except I would not use child soldiers, or kill the Tamil intelligentsia or kill Gandhi. Infact, I would have blown up more of Colombo and far more frequently. Bridges, train stations, theaters & banks, anything to shock a populous in capitulation. I would have gone after the sinhalese leadership as well. Terrorism is definitely a valid tactic in book. Especially considering the disparity in conventional military power. I would also run a separate parallel intellectual movement that was superficially divorced from the LTTE, a movement the Sinhalese people would be more likely barter with. That would be my armchair strategy, if i were to fight this war.
@Rangouk… See. Your hero the Dodo is a terrorist… Btw Dodo, I’m not sure, but I don’t think MOON denied the ICG report. He slammed the ICG only for accusing the UN for being complicit in SL’s war crimes.
How did I become a terrorist? Ah, much ad homeinen.
A terrorist who never got the chance to terrorise.
:yawn:
Yawn. That’s not ad hominem. The insult stands alone.
@myil selvan… Sinhala courage? You racist. Zion’s no worse than you.
great interview!somebody is obviously flirting and the other person does not seem to mind it!
If I were a detective,I would look for obvious gaps in both persons schedule when they were in the same city.
Baby, you wouldn’t know the first thing about flirting. First rule of flirting: If you’re a non-muslim guy, don’t waste your energy with the hot muslim mama’s.
Ha ha… That was hilarious.
@Rangouk
Many Sri Lankan male domestic aids and drivers in arab countries might disagree with your statement.
@scrambledballs… At least dodo’s got a brain. But you… Hmm
@scrambledballs… But thanks for making it clear to me and to all reads this that I’ve won.
President Rajapaksa was the only leader of Sri Lanka courageous enough to grit his teeth come what may and win a war on terror which lasted for 3 decades… a lifetime too long. The LTTE killed or rather massacred hundreds of men, women and children from all ethnicities and sri lanka lost many great leaders in ltte attacks. I may not agree with all President Rajapaksas moves in government but i don’t believe that any other leader could have or would have overcome the LTTE and ended this gruesome war. And as for investigations I completely agree with Our President, America won’t be held accountable for their so called war on terror in Iraq and Afghanistan which is based on shaky foundations to say the least or for their shameless defence of countries blatantly carrying out violations of human rights to further their own gain, but it seems perfectly justifiable to point their fingers at Sri Lanka that has suffered enough due to the war. It is indeed an internal issue because i don’t think that any nation can take into account the amount of suffering that has been caused to all ethnicities, it is all too easy to forget or ignore incidents like the Anuradhapura, Gonagala and Palliyagodella massacres in light of the now more newsworthy war crime calls or forget when asking whether tamil politicians should receive more representation (which must be achieved) the fact that rising tamil leaders opposing war and seeking democratic change where murdered by the LTTE. Rebuilding the fragments of what is left is no easy task but it is a task that SRI LANKA CAN and WILL SUCCEED IN..We are the country of LIONS after all..Way to go President Rajapaksa!!! I hope that everyone looking from afar understands what a monumental task it is, certainly not a days labour and gives the government credit where credit is due!!! – Nilan.
Dear
The only thing needed to win this war is the willingness to kill and get killed.
The killing part is easy, since it is Tamils (and Rajapakse and fellow racists are comfortable with that).
The getting killed part is a little difficult, because sinhalese soldiers will have to be sacrificed. And as is evident Mahinda Rajapakse doesn’t really care about the sinhalese poor, because he sent his son abroad for Naval training and other sons also for studies. But he got the poor to die, while he and his family hid behind bodyguards, bullet proof vehicles and road closures.
You refer to incidents like Anuradhapura, Gonagala and Palliyagodella. What about incidents such as:
Velvettithurai massacre by SL Army of Tamil civilians (this caused the retaliation at the Sri Mahabodhi)
Kumarapuram massacre by Navy/Airforce of Tamil civilians
Sathurukodan massacre of Tamil civilians, where Sarath Fonseka was in charge
Bindunuwewa massacre of Tamil inmates
These are but a few of the massacres by the Sri Lankan, aka Sinhala, armed forces
As for investigations: mahinda appointed one for 16 cases and what happend???
He appointed an experts panel for the APRC and what happend??
What happend to the APRC process??
All swept aside. No wonder outsiders are now calling for investigations.
You say, “we are the country of Lions”. This shows your narrow minded prejudiced attitude. This kind of attitude is what started all the massacres.
Be broadminded and accepting of other ethnicities and treat all equally, that is the difficult thing to do for the GoSL and sinhalese.
Rajapakse came to power because of the LTTE. Are you willing to give credit for that???????????????
Good, now that both ethnicities have done a jolly good job of slaughtering one another. we should try to figure out what should be done now. Should we send the next 20 years bickering about who killed whom or should we attempt make something of what is left behind. This is a question to ponder for both communities, but especially for the Tamils of the North and East, because they definitely ended up worse off. Do you they cooperate with the Sinhalese who think this is the time to buy the hatchet and work towards economic and social integration. We’ve put the deal on the table, it’s up to you to sign it.
sorry for the terrible typing
What’s the imterviewers’ name?
It’s hilarious how much parallels there between the recent Israeli incidents and our problem