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		<title>By: TA</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2009/05/to-the-west-help-dont-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-233845</link>
		<dc:creator>TA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taking about transparency: Morten, why are you in Sri Lanka? What are your real reasons to be here?  No one assigned you to come and cover this conflict.  What  is your relationship with SR Red Cross Coordinator? Why do you follow her around the world from country to country? Where is your home? Your style of journalism is sort of lecturing your readers. Who are you to do so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taking about transparency: Morten, why are you in Sri Lanka? What are your real reasons to be here?  No one assigned you to come and cover this conflict.  What  is your relationship with SR Red Cross Coordinator? Why do you follow her around the world from country to country? Where is your home? Your style of journalism is sort of lecturing your readers. Who are you to do so?</p>
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		<title>By: Ravana</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2009/05/to-the-west-help-dont-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-233617</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you can assume that a Truth and Reconciliation Commission along the lines of the South African blueprint is automatically going to work in Sri Lanka, even if there was political will to back it up. I think you have to ask whether it is culturally relevant. Certainly, we have to have a reconiciliation process, but as a country with a strong SHAME CULTURE which both the Tamil community and the Sinhala community share, I don&#039;t know whether this would be a fit. 

We have to find our own way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you can assume that a Truth and Reconciliation Commission along the lines of the South African blueprint is automatically going to work in Sri Lanka, even if there was political will to back it up. I think you have to ask whether it is culturally relevant. Certainly, we have to have a reconiciliation process, but as a country with a strong SHAME CULTURE which both the Tamil community and the Sinhala community share, I don&#8217;t know whether this would be a fit. </p>
<p>We have to find our own way.</p>
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		<title>By: David Blacker</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2009/05/to-the-west-help-dont-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-233495</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 05:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Either way, I doubt any sort of truth and reconciliation committee is likely to happen.</description>
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		<title>By: David Blacker</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2009/05/to-the-west-help-dont-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-233486</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 04:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not too sure offhand, but it took a few years I think til those Truth &amp; Reconciliation tribunals happened, and by then many former Apartheid-regime people had been convicted of criminal conduct.

As for the GoSL, it all depends. It could go either way. It&#039;s not unlikely that we could slide gradually towards a dictatorial regime. I think a lot depends on the international community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not too sure offhand, but it took a few years I think til those Truth &amp; Reconciliation tribunals happened, and by then many former Apartheid-regime people had been convicted of criminal conduct.</p>
<p>As for the GoSL, it all depends. It could go either way. It&#8217;s not unlikely that we could slide gradually towards a dictatorial regime. I think a lot depends on the international community.</p>
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		<title>By: JayC</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2009/05/to-the-west-help-dont-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-233481</link>
		<dc:creator>JayC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 18:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No argument there David, I made the point about bad timing. 

Do you think the Govt  will foster a spirit of magnanimity, transparency and reconciliation at some point in the future? I&#039;m no historian - how long did it take the SA Govt to move from a post-war-mentality to reconciliatory sentiment after the fall of Apartheid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No argument there David, I made the point about bad timing. </p>
<p>Do you think the Govt  will foster a spirit of magnanimity, transparency and reconciliation at some point in the future? I&#8217;m no historian &#8211; how long did it take the SA Govt to move from a post-war-mentality to reconciliatory sentiment after the fall of Apartheid?</p>
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		<title>By: David Blacker</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2009/05/to-the-west-help-dont-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-233475</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 09:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reconciliation didn&#039;t come to SA ten days after the fall of Apartheid. It&#039;s also hard for the GoSL to be magnanimous when it&#039;s being threatened with sanctions and prosecutions. How would the ANC have felt if the world had piled in with threats and rhetoric one week after Mandela came to power?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reconciliation didn&#8217;t come to SA ten days after the fall of Apartheid. It&#8217;s also hard for the GoSL to be magnanimous when it&#8217;s being threatened with sanctions and prosecutions. How would the ANC have felt if the world had piled in with threats and rhetoric one week after Mandela came to power?</p>
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		<title>By: JayC</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2009/05/to-the-west-help-dont-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-233465</link>
		<dc:creator>JayC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indi has a point - now is not the time for recriminations and finger-pointing - first priority is the IDPs. 

But Morten too has a point - what is so wrong in asking the Govt to be more transparent? Their refusal implies guilt. In which case the ethnic issue will never be truly solved. 

Much like post-apartheid South Africa, if the Govt really wants to address the issues at hand, there must be a spirit of reconciliation - in which both sides put their hands up, accept the mistakes they&#039;ve made, and answer for them, in an open and independent forum. Only this will convince the Tamil people both here and abroad that Sri Lanka wants to move forward and be a new united nation.

The West is wrong in their timing but right in their sentiment - the Govt needs to be magnanimous instead of defensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indi has a point &#8211; now is not the time for recriminations and finger-pointing &#8211; first priority is the IDPs. </p>
<p>But Morten too has a point &#8211; what is so wrong in asking the Govt to be more transparent? Their refusal implies guilt. In which case the ethnic issue will never be truly solved. </p>
<p>Much like post-apartheid South Africa, if the Govt really wants to address the issues at hand, there must be a spirit of reconciliation &#8211; in which both sides put their hands up, accept the mistakes they&#8217;ve made, and answer for them, in an open and independent forum. Only this will convince the Tamil people both here and abroad that Sri Lanka wants to move forward and be a new united nation.</p>
<p>The West is wrong in their timing but right in their sentiment &#8211; the Govt needs to be magnanimous instead of defensive.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2009/05/to-the-west-help-dont-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-233464</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indi has a point - now is not the time for recriminations and finger-pointing - first priority is the IDPs. 

But Morten too has a point - what is so wrong in asking the Govt to be more transparent? Their refusal implies guilt. In which case the ethnic issue will never be truly solved. 

Much like post-apartheid South Africa, if the Govt really wants to address the issues at hand, there must be a spirit of reconciliation - in which both sides put their hands up, accept the mistakes they&#039;ve made, and answer for them, in an open and independent forum. Only this will convince the Tamil people both here and abroad that Sri Lanka wants to move forward and be a new united nation.

The West is wrong in their timing but right in their sentiment - the Govt needs to be magnanimous instead of defensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indi has a point &#8211; now is not the time for recriminations and finger-pointing &#8211; first priority is the IDPs. </p>
<p>But Morten too has a point &#8211; what is so wrong in asking the Govt to be more transparent? Their refusal implies guilt. In which case the ethnic issue will never be truly solved. </p>
<p>Much like post-apartheid South Africa, if the Govt really wants to address the issues at hand, there must be a spirit of reconciliation &#8211; in which both sides put their hands up, accept the mistakes they&#8217;ve made, and answer for them, in an open and independent forum. Only this will convince the Tamil people both here and abroad that Sri Lanka wants to move forward and be a new united nation.</p>
<p>The West is wrong in their timing but right in their sentiment &#8211; the Govt needs to be magnanimous instead of defensive.</p>
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		<title>By: indi</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2009/05/to-the-west-help-dont-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-233451</link>
		<dc:creator>indi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 10:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My only issue with Morten is the hopeless tone. It&#039;s like Sri Lankan government sucks, the west sucks, you suck, etc. It&#039;s not especially constructive, it&#039;s just sorta documenting doom. Which I have no interest. I recognize the problems and think we need to find pragmatic solutions, beginning with treating all parties with respect and a little good faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My only issue with Morten is the hopeless tone. It&#8217;s like Sri Lankan government sucks, the west sucks, you suck, etc. It&#8217;s not especially constructive, it&#8217;s just sorta documenting doom. Which I have no interest. I recognize the problems and think we need to find pragmatic solutions, beginning with treating all parties with respect and a little good faith.</p>
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		<title>By: David Blacker</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2009/05/to-the-west-help-dont-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-233448</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 09:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If SL isn’t important to the west, fine, shut the fuck up and leave us alone,&quot; was what I said, Morten. I didn&#039;t realize you were a representative of the west. Perhaps I should have drawn you a picture instead of using words. Sorry.

However, your inability to understand even simple ideas IS probably representative of the western media. I&#039;m sure you&#039;re miffed that you came all the way over here and don&#039;t have anything to shoot. Sad. Stick around if you&#039;ve got the time. If not, I&#039;m sure there are lots of free and open places for war tourism.

Now that you&#039;ve shown us your zoom lens, perhaps we can some intelligence too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If SL isn’t important to the west, fine, shut the fuck up and leave us alone,&#8221; was what I said, Morten. I didn&#8217;t realize you were a representative of the west. Perhaps I should have drawn you a picture instead of using words. Sorry.</p>
<p>However, your inability to understand even simple ideas IS probably representative of the western media. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re miffed that you came all the way over here and don&#8217;t have anything to shoot. Sad. Stick around if you&#8217;ve got the time. If not, I&#8217;m sure there are lots of free and open places for war tourism.</p>
<p>Now that you&#8217;ve shown us your zoom lens, perhaps we can some intelligence too.</p>
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		<title>By: Morten Hvaal</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2009/05/to-the-west-help-dont-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-233443</link>
		<dc:creator>Morten Hvaal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 08:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indi,

This year&#039;s winners are next year&#039;s losers. That&#039;s one of the problems of democracy. Slobodan Milosevic was triumphantly confident that with popular and Russian support no one would ever be able to touch him. 

This is not 1945. You can&#039;t hide Dresden or D-Day for very long. This is 2009. Even if you keep the conspiracy of relief organisations and media physically away from events, there will be some transparency, and unlike what is reported by the likes of me, it will come from big, biased international powers like the United States. Unlike my mates and I, the US and it&#039;s allies will first choose sides, then present whatever &quot;evidence&quot; suits their versions. WMDs, anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indi,</p>
<p>This year&#8217;s winners are next year&#8217;s losers. That&#8217;s one of the problems of democracy. Slobodan Milosevic was triumphantly confident that with popular and Russian support no one would ever be able to touch him. </p>
<p>This is not 1945. You can&#8217;t hide Dresden or D-Day for very long. This is 2009. Even if you keep the conspiracy of relief organisations and media physically away from events, there will be some transparency, and unlike what is reported by the likes of me, it will come from big, biased international powers like the United States. Unlike my mates and I, the US and it&#8217;s allies will first choose sides, then present whatever &#8220;evidence&#8221; suits their versions. WMDs, anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Morten Hvaal</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2009/05/to-the-west-help-dont-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-233441</link>
		<dc:creator>Morten Hvaal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 07:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blacker,

&quot;shut the fuck up and leave us alone&quot; is your idea of criticism? And you&#039;re telling me to grow up? 

You&#039;re right about two things though: 

Intelligence and zoom lenses really aren&#039;t interchangeable. In my job you need both.

And yes, you do need help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blacker,</p>
<p>&#8220;shut the fuck up and leave us alone&#8221; is your idea of criticism? And you&#8217;re telling me to grow up? </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about two things though: </p>
<p>Intelligence and zoom lenses really aren&#8217;t interchangeable. In my job you need both.</p>
<p>And yes, you do need help.</p>
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		<title>By: indi</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2009/05/to-the-west-help-dont-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-233438</link>
		<dc:creator>indi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 05:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think transparency is the key for armed conflict. I think it&#039;s, historically, winning. War Crimes are generally for losers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think transparency is the key for armed conflict. I think it&#8217;s, historically, winning. War Crimes are generally for losers</p>
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		<title>By: David Blacker</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2009/05/to-the-west-help-dont-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-233437</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 05:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Not my problem.&quot;

No, it&#039;s not. It&#039;s ours. And we need help sorting it out. So if you&#039;re here to help, get on with it. Save the speeches for later.

And if you can&#039;t take criticism (or abuse, as you prefer to call it), think twice before dishing it out. Perhaps I do need to get out more. But perhaps you need to grow up too. Intelligence and zoom lenses aren&#039;t always interchangeable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not my problem.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not. It&#8217;s ours. And we need help sorting it out. So if you&#8217;re here to help, get on with it. Save the speeches for later.</p>
<p>And if you can&#8217;t take criticism (or abuse, as you prefer to call it), think twice before dishing it out. Perhaps I do need to get out more. But perhaps you need to grow up too. Intelligence and zoom lenses aren&#8217;t always interchangeable.</p>
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		<title>By: N</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2009/05/to-the-west-help-dont-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-233435</link>
		<dc:creator>N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 04:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always been curious how well the people in the West sleep at night knowing that a 140,000 civilians were annihilated in a moment at Hiroshima in order to maintain their security. It may have been over 60 years ago but as far as I know there is no statute of limitations on killing civilians.

I&#039;m all for investigations into human rights abuses, disproportionate killing of civilians, etc...but let&#039;s also investigate the use of WMDs by the US, abuses in Vietnam by the French and the Americans, the Australian &#039;stolen generations,&#039; George Bush and Tony Blair starting a war in Iraq on fabricated evidence, etc, etc...you know in the name of the &#039;justness&#039; that seems to be the prerogative of the &#039;white man&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always been curious how well the people in the West sleep at night knowing that a 140,000 civilians were annihilated in a moment at Hiroshima in order to maintain their security. It may have been over 60 years ago but as far as I know there is no statute of limitations on killing civilians.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for investigations into human rights abuses, disproportionate killing of civilians, etc&#8230;but let&#8217;s also investigate the use of WMDs by the US, abuses in Vietnam by the French and the Americans, the Australian &#8216;stolen generations,&#8217; George Bush and Tony Blair starting a war in Iraq on fabricated evidence, etc, etc&#8230;you know in the name of the &#8216;justness&#8217; that seems to be the prerogative of the &#8216;white man&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Slow Chills</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2009/05/to-the-west-help-dont-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-233434</link>
		<dc:creator>Slow Chills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 03:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put and well said. We need all the help we can get, not additional burdens and the distraction of having to answer to allegations of war crimes etc. at this hour and point of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put and well said. We need all the help we can get, not additional burdens and the distraction of having to answer to allegations of war crimes etc. at this hour and point of time.</p>
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		<title>By: Concentric</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2009/05/to-the-west-help-dont-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-233418</link>
		<dc:creator>Concentric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 13:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re-post, delete my previous one if possible, some of the text inadvertently got mixed up. 

Morten -

Firstly, I think your railing against the wrong people. As someone who’s followed Indi and Blacker’s blogs for years, I know these folks more of less agree with you regarding transparency and have been critical of the short comings of this current Sri Lankan administration. The tone in which you address this blog was very combative and the replies you’ve got reflect that.

Secondly in response to what you have written - transparency is a fantastic ideal but reality is different. You must, as journalist, understand that you are one of many conflicting forces with competing agendas in this quest and inevitably it is impossible to actually receive an unadulterated view on any issue. In the context of the American led invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan you will find that the country which for so long has been the role model for transparency failed miserably. People talk about the Sri Lankan theater of war being closed of to journalists but it was no more or less than Iraq in its most explosive state. Virtually all information came from embedded reporters, the military and the white house press secretary. Only towards the end of the Bush regime and the current Obama administration are we really starting to get a clear picture of the abuses, alleged or otherwise.

My point is that Sri Lanka, as you put it, is insignificant. How can the west which sees this island and its people as such, project its lofty humanitarian ideals upon it when its most significant parties refuse accept the same responsibilities? Moreover, prominent figures from western politicians and media personalities have called on Sri Lankan’s not to engage in ‘triumphalism’ - so is it so wrong that insignificant Sri Lankan politicians, journalists and bloggers too ask these same people not to engage in hypocrisy and vindictiveness? I’m not saying that Sri Lanka hasn’t committed acts which may constitute violation of humanitarian law, such as it is, but now is the time to engage Sri Lanka. Its not a rogue state, flawed though it is, but heavy handedness on the part of the west will have ramification which will be not in the spirit of the values it seeks to champion.

In all honesty however - I don’t see any major issues  coming from motion set in UN Human Rights Committee for the Security Council. You quite rightly point out the case of Cino-Sudanese relations but Sri Lanka is a much better position to argue against any war crimes case presented than Sudan because evidence is far more subjective and less substantive. Similarly, a issue of a state’s rights to act against non-actor internally is a far more hot button issue for countries like China, Russia, Pakistan and even India, than the need to procure cheap oil and sell weapons. In my eyes and indeed the eyes of many from the ‘new’ world - the ICC is the west in drag. Sure there’s lipstick, fake nails, heels and a cocktail dress, but the ‘bits’ that matter are all the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re-post, delete my previous one if possible, some of the text inadvertently got mixed up. </p>
<p>Morten -</p>
<p>Firstly, I think your railing against the wrong people. As someone who’s followed Indi and Blacker’s blogs for years, I know these folks more of less agree with you regarding transparency and have been critical of the short comings of this current Sri Lankan administration. The tone in which you address this blog was very combative and the replies you’ve got reflect that.</p>
<p>Secondly in response to what you have written &#8211; transparency is a fantastic ideal but reality is different. You must, as journalist, understand that you are one of many conflicting forces with competing agendas in this quest and inevitably it is impossible to actually receive an unadulterated view on any issue. In the context of the American led invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan you will find that the country which for so long has been the role model for transparency failed miserably. People talk about the Sri Lankan theater of war being closed of to journalists but it was no more or less than Iraq in its most explosive state. Virtually all information came from embedded reporters, the military and the white house press secretary. Only towards the end of the Bush regime and the current Obama administration are we really starting to get a clear picture of the abuses, alleged or otherwise.</p>
<p>My point is that Sri Lanka, as you put it, is insignificant. How can the west which sees this island and its people as such, project its lofty humanitarian ideals upon it when its most significant parties refuse accept the same responsibilities? Moreover, prominent figures from western politicians and media personalities have called on Sri Lankan’s not to engage in ‘triumphalism’ &#8211; so is it so wrong that insignificant Sri Lankan politicians, journalists and bloggers too ask these same people not to engage in hypocrisy and vindictiveness? I’m not saying that Sri Lanka hasn’t committed acts which may constitute violation of humanitarian law, such as it is, but now is the time to engage Sri Lanka. Its not a rogue state, flawed though it is, but heavy handedness on the part of the west will have ramification which will be not in the spirit of the values it seeks to champion.</p>
<p>In all honesty however &#8211; I don’t see any major issues  coming from motion set in UN Human Rights Committee for the Security Council. You quite rightly point out the case of Cino-Sudanese relations but Sri Lanka is a much better position to argue against any war crimes case presented than Sudan because evidence is far more subjective and less substantive. Similarly, a issue of a state’s rights to act against non-actor internally is a far more hot button issue for countries like China, Russia, Pakistan and even India, than the need to procure cheap oil and sell weapons. In my eyes and indeed the eyes of many from the ‘new’ world &#8211; the ICC is the west in drag. Sure there’s lipstick, fake nails, heels and a cocktail dress, but the ‘bits’ that matter are all the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Morten Hvaal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morten Hvaal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 12:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blacker,
I didn&#039;t accuse anyone other than you of anything, and you&#039;re certainly not making me regret it. Don&#039;t see the point of my words or my photography? Not my problem. Think hurling abuse at me on a blog is going to change anything? Good luck. Perhaps you need to get out more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blacker,<br />
I didn&#8217;t accuse anyone other than you of anything, and you&#8217;re certainly not making me regret it. Don&#8217;t see the point of my words or my photography? Not my problem. Think hurling abuse at me on a blog is going to change anything? Good luck. Perhaps you need to get out more.</p>
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		<title>By: Morten Hvaal</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2009/05/to-the-west-help-dont-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-233415</link>
		<dc:creator>Morten Hvaal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 12:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concentric,
I&#039;m sorry if I&#039;m not being clear. For me it boils down to this: Transparency is crucial when there is armed conflict. It may be that the government carried out its humanitarian operation to ethical perfection. Unfortunately, it&#039;s not my job to take their word for it, and as a pasty pink westerner I&#039;m failing miserably at finding out for myself. 
You may think it unrealistic to hope for transparency in what you describe as a &quot;small, third world democracy which has been crippled economically and socially through 30 years of terror&quot;. I really don&#039;t see why. Transparency doesn&#039;t require much in the way of resources. Producing effective propaganda does. 
Of course you&#039;re absolutely right in that the west should drop all the glaring double-standards. But I&#039;m not sure using the UN Human Development Index country list as a checklist that has to be filled in strictly from the top down before human rights can even be discussed is the way to go. Perhaps I&#039;m wrong. Perhaps moral and ethical perfection in the west is the only way to move anything forward.
Your points on the International Criminal Court are interesting. Now, I&#039;m not insinuating that there have been war crimes committed here. But there&#039;s an interesting parallel which involves Sri Lanka&#039;s friend China. Sudan is a very important supplier of oil to China. Neither country has ratified the ICC. Yet when the ICC issued an arrest warrant for Sudan&#039;s president, permanent security council member and emerging superpower China said very little and did even less. How it will play out I obviously do not know, but I suspect the ICC will remain pretty much a lame duck if the United States does not ratify it. And please don&#039;t forget that the ICC is not a &quot;western court&quot;. It has judges from all member states, and all it would take to make it a &quot;developing country court&quot; would be for all countries to ratify it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concentric,<br />
I&#8217;m sorry if I&#8217;m not being clear. For me it boils down to this: Transparency is crucial when there is armed conflict. It may be that the government carried out its humanitarian operation to ethical perfection. Unfortunately, it&#8217;s not my job to take their word for it, and as a pasty pink westerner I&#8217;m failing miserably at finding out for myself.<br />
You may think it unrealistic to hope for transparency in what you describe as a &#8220;small, third world democracy which has been crippled economically and socially through 30 years of terror&#8221;. I really don&#8217;t see why. Transparency doesn&#8217;t require much in the way of resources. Producing effective propaganda does.<br />
Of course you&#8217;re absolutely right in that the west should drop all the glaring double-standards. But I&#8217;m not sure using the UN Human Development Index country list as a checklist that has to be filled in strictly from the top down before human rights can even be discussed is the way to go. Perhaps I&#8217;m wrong. Perhaps moral and ethical perfection in the west is the only way to move anything forward.<br />
Your points on the International Criminal Court are interesting. Now, I&#8217;m not insinuating that there have been war crimes committed here. But there&#8217;s an interesting parallel which involves Sri Lanka&#8217;s friend China. Sudan is a very important supplier of oil to China. Neither country has ratified the ICC. Yet when the ICC issued an arrest warrant for Sudan&#8217;s president, permanent security council member and emerging superpower China said very little and did even less. How it will play out I obviously do not know, but I suspect the ICC will remain pretty much a lame duck if the United States does not ratify it. And please don&#8217;t forget that the ICC is not a &#8220;western court&#8221;. It has judges from all member states, and all it would take to make it a &#8220;developing country court&#8221; would be for all countries to ratify it.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 11:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morten

I&#039;ll start arranging your parade immediately. Whether I&#039;ve been to Iraq or Afghanistan is neither here nor there, all I was commenting on was your contention that we are aware of US and UK abuses because of some notion of transparency in the Qest is a bit rich. As I pointed out the stories on the Abu Gharib prisoner abuse scandal only broke because it was leaked and spare me the bit about embedded journos of not following the &quot;party&quot; line. The threat they reported under was no where near the threat faced by their Asian counterparts but what they risked losing was access. Viewing any of those farcical war reports on CNN or NBC made it abundantly clear that it was far from &#039;fair and balanced&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morten</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll start arranging your parade immediately. Whether I&#8217;ve been to Iraq or Afghanistan is neither here nor there, all I was commenting on was your contention that we are aware of US and UK abuses because of some notion of transparency in the Qest is a bit rich. As I pointed out the stories on the Abu Gharib prisoner abuse scandal only broke because it was leaked and spare me the bit about embedded journos of not following the &#8220;party&#8221; line. The threat they reported under was no where near the threat faced by their Asian counterparts but what they risked losing was access. Viewing any of those farcical war reports on CNN or NBC made it abundantly clear that it was far from &#8216;fair and balanced&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: David Blacker</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 11:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I repeat, what exactly is your point? If (as you say above) we&#039;re all too dumb for your words of wisdom, why don&#039;t you save yourself the time. So far, the only coherent bit I can make out is &quot;more transparency&quot;. If you&#039;ve actually bothered to read either Indi&#039;s or my blogs, you&#039;d have known we&#039;ve been calling for the same. For years. However, if you think the doors are gonna be opened for journos two weeks after the LTTE&#039;s defeat, I have to question your sense of reality. And as both Indi and I&#039;ve said many times, trying to force the GoSL to open up by threatening war crimes tribunals and sanctions is ridiculous. Neither have worked in Zimbabwe, Burma, Iraq, N Korea, or the USA. And they won&#039;t work here. All you do is foster the GoSL&#039;s siege mentality and force it into the arms of countries like Burma and Iran, while making the common man suffer.

If ethics and morals are alien concepts to the west, then by God, at least be effective.

I wanted to avoid being personal, Morten, though you yourself don&#039;t seem to have those qualms, but your war tourism pix hardly show anything really groundbreaking in Iraq or anywhere else. Yeah, why would the US restrict you? Those pix could have been shot by the US Army.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I repeat, what exactly is your point? If (as you say above) we&#8217;re all too dumb for your words of wisdom, why don&#8217;t you save yourself the time. So far, the only coherent bit I can make out is &#8220;more transparency&#8221;. If you&#8217;ve actually bothered to read either Indi&#8217;s or my blogs, you&#8217;d have known we&#8217;ve been calling for the same. For years. However, if you think the doors are gonna be opened for journos two weeks after the LTTE&#8217;s defeat, I have to question your sense of reality. And as both Indi and I&#8217;ve said many times, trying to force the GoSL to open up by threatening war crimes tribunals and sanctions is ridiculous. Neither have worked in Zimbabwe, Burma, Iraq, N Korea, or the USA. And they won&#8217;t work here. All you do is foster the GoSL&#8217;s siege mentality and force it into the arms of countries like Burma and Iran, while making the common man suffer.</p>
<p>If ethics and morals are alien concepts to the west, then by God, at least be effective.</p>
<p>I wanted to avoid being personal, Morten, though you yourself don&#8217;t seem to have those qualms, but your war tourism pix hardly show anything really groundbreaking in Iraq or anywhere else. Yeah, why would the US restrict you? Those pix could have been shot by the US Army.</p>
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		<title>By: Morten Hvaal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morten Hvaal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 11:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abu,
You sound as though you&#039;ve actually been on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan and are talking from personal experience about how the conflicts there are covered and the people who cover them. Otherwise, how would you know so much about it? Also, in my time in those countries I never really had much trouble with anyone telling me what to report, apart from the obvious operational security issues which are fairly straightforward. I&#039;ve also travelled around there independently, again without too much trouble. Why my colleagues or I would not &quot;dare report anything other than what the US and British military wanted to report&quot; is beyond me. Rumsfeld and Cheney are first-rate scumbags, but they never actually rang me up and threatened to have me deported or worse. Again, your sources are probably better than mine. I just went there and looked for myself, which is more than I&#039;ve ever been able to do here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abu,<br />
You sound as though you&#8217;ve actually been on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan and are talking from personal experience about how the conflicts there are covered and the people who cover them. Otherwise, how would you know so much about it? Also, in my time in those countries I never really had much trouble with anyone telling me what to report, apart from the obvious operational security issues which are fairly straightforward. I&#8217;ve also travelled around there independently, again without too much trouble. Why my colleagues or I would not &#8220;dare report anything other than what the US and British military wanted to report&#8221; is beyond me. Rumsfeld and Cheney are first-rate scumbags, but they never actually rang me up and threatened to have me deported or worse. Again, your sources are probably better than mine. I just went there and looked for myself, which is more than I&#8217;ve ever been able to do here.</p>
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		<title>By: Concentric</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2009/05/to-the-west-help-dont-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-233411</link>
		<dc:creator>Concentric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 10:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morten - 

For all your antagonistic and patronizing words your not really making any clear comment regarding Indi&#039;s blog or his reply (Blackers either for that matter).

Sri Lanka knows its insignificance to the pasty white west but even sill it isn&#039;t begging. The message is clear: if you want to be a stakeholder in the future of our country for whatever purpose you have (moral, strategic, electoral, capital), don&#039;t force us at gun point.  The country and its people have been in a state of paralysis for too long, do you really want to punish them further? Ultimately that&#039;s what sanctions and other measures that increase civilian suffering do and the result is that it pushes people further into embrace of the state on whom they will depend on more heavily than before.

If the West wants to be the arbitrator of justice in the world then it really needs to stop screaming &#039;do as I say, not as I do&#039;. How can a small, third world democracy which has been crippled economically and socially through 30 years of terror be consider to have equal moral obligation as rich Western super-powers and their affluent populaces with strictly theoretical notions of suffering? Before you take Sri Lanka to task, shouldn&#039;t they first turn the microscope on their own conduct and set a shining example for the world to follow? That would be transparency.

How can the UN be taken seriously when the leaders of the &quot;free world&quot; spent the last decade undermining it? How can Sri Lanka be investigated at all when its not a signatory to the majority of treaties pertaining to rules of engagement and how can it be put on the security council agenda when the tone of this inquiry divides the old world from the new one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morten &#8211; </p>
<p>For all your antagonistic and patronizing words your not really making any clear comment regarding Indi&#8217;s blog or his reply (Blackers either for that matter).</p>
<p>Sri Lanka knows its insignificance to the pasty white west but even sill it isn&#8217;t begging. The message is clear: if you want to be a stakeholder in the future of our country for whatever purpose you have (moral, strategic, electoral, capital), don&#8217;t force us at gun point.  The country and its people have been in a state of paralysis for too long, do you really want to punish them further? Ultimately that&#8217;s what sanctions and other measures that increase civilian suffering do and the result is that it pushes people further into embrace of the state on whom they will depend on more heavily than before.</p>
<p>If the West wants to be the arbitrator of justice in the world then it really needs to stop screaming &#8216;do as I say, not as I do&#8217;. How can a small, third world democracy which has been crippled economically and socially through 30 years of terror be consider to have equal moral obligation as rich Western super-powers and their affluent populaces with strictly theoretical notions of suffering? Before you take Sri Lanka to task, shouldn&#8217;t they first turn the microscope on their own conduct and set a shining example for the world to follow? That would be transparency.</p>
<p>How can the UN be taken seriously when the leaders of the &#8220;free world&#8221; spent the last decade undermining it? How can Sri Lanka be investigated at all when its not a signatory to the majority of treaties pertaining to rules of engagement and how can it be put on the security council agenda when the tone of this inquiry divides the old world from the new one?</p>
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		<title>By: Abu</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2009/05/to-the-west-help-dont-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-233409</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 10:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I see Morten so it was all that transparency in the West that allows us to pontificate eh? Spare us the bullshit, the Abu Gharib pics came out only because of a soldier&#039;s conscience or more likely, an internal disagreement within the Pentagon on how the Iraq war was being handled. It was by no means the work of  some crusading journo with unfettered access to the prison. Similarly do you expect is to buy the bullshit espoused by all those embedded &quot;journalists&quot; during the Iraq war who didn&#039;t dare report anything other than what the US and British military wanted to report... Hate to break it to you but it&#039;s not going to happen. Access to the camps to journalists is less important now than access is for both Govt and independent aid workers. We may be far from perfect as a nation but we&#039;ll get there in the end it&#039;ll take time and we&#039;ll need all the help we can get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I see Morten so it was all that transparency in the West that allows us to pontificate eh? Spare us the bullshit, the Abu Gharib pics came out only because of a soldier&#8217;s conscience or more likely, an internal disagreement within the Pentagon on how the Iraq war was being handled. It was by no means the work of  some crusading journo with unfettered access to the prison. Similarly do you expect is to buy the bullshit espoused by all those embedded &#8220;journalists&#8221; during the Iraq war who didn&#8217;t dare report anything other than what the US and British military wanted to report&#8230; Hate to break it to you but it&#8217;s not going to happen. Access to the camps to journalists is less important now than access is for both Govt and independent aid workers. We may be far from perfect as a nation but we&#8217;ll get there in the end it&#8217;ll take time and we&#8217;ll need all the help we can get.</p>
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		<title>By: Morten Hvaal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morten Hvaal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 09:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Blacker,
It&#039;s not difficult to understand from reading your comment why you wouldn&#039;t understand what my, or indeed anyone&#039;s, point is. 
Be that as it may. I too live in Sri Lanka. I largely agree with your criticisms of the west&#039;s &quot;war on terror&quot;. But I can&#039;t quite figure out the &quot;shut up and leave us alone&quot; bit. Is encouraging Sri Lanka to show a little more transparency around it&#039;s &quot;humanitarian operation&quot; really so outrageous? After all, it&#039;s the transparency in the western countries that allows you to sit there and pontificate about how they&#039;re spending their taxpayers&#039; cash on war crimes rather than help you, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Blacker,<br />
It&#8217;s not difficult to understand from reading your comment why you wouldn&#8217;t understand what my, or indeed anyone&#8217;s, point is.<br />
Be that as it may. I too live in Sri Lanka. I largely agree with your criticisms of the west&#8217;s &#8220;war on terror&#8221;. But I can&#8217;t quite figure out the &#8220;shut up and leave us alone&#8221; bit. Is encouraging Sri Lanka to show a little more transparency around it&#8217;s &#8220;humanitarian operation&#8221; really so outrageous? After all, it&#8217;s the transparency in the western countries that allows you to sit there and pontificate about how they&#8217;re spending their taxpayers&#8217; cash on war crimes rather than help you, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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