“democratic Tamil Eelam” – now that’s an oxymoron if I ever heard one…

N are you really that stupid or are you just pretending to be?

You know what I meant. Hon V.P is taking a similar role of George Washington, who fought for American Independence in 1780′s.

“Democracy in Tamil Eelam” like you have quoted comes WHEN Tamil Eelam is established.

Certainly not before.

With people with Mahinda Rajapakse’s mindeset in almsot every household in the South, this is the sensible way to go about it for Tamils.

The bugger is making millions of dollars through the deaths of the Tamils on the ground and fools like you who donate to the ’cause’…you really think he’s ever going to give you Eelam while he lives in luxury and his kids are educated abroad? None of the LTTE hierarchy would ever want Eelam to come because then they would have to spend their ‘profit margins’ on real development. Now I don’t know whether to feel sorry for you or still amused by you.

I hope that this is just a propaganda attempt by you to make me change my mind. If this is what you guys really believe is characteristic of the LTTE then there is no hope. I which case I should feel sorry for you.

You can get as stiff as you like, Chillyboy, but as long as the tigers run whenever the Army approaches, you’ll never have Eelam. You’ve lost your cultural capital, your commercial capital, and your source of suicide bombers. You’re gonna run out of places to withdraw tactically to!

As for running naked, I guess it works both ways. I remember the mopping up ops after Balavegaya I (when the LTTE fancied themselves a conventional army) and had their first big loss. The female Tigers had taken off leaving behind shit-filled underwear, used sanitary napkins, condoms, uniforms, sandals, the works. My section commander took the braided hair off a Tiger body (must’ve been two feet long at least) and probably has it somewhere still.

Everytime the Tigers get an arse-kicking, their worshippers always bring up the excuse that the Tigers are not a conventional force but guerrillas, etc. I think you should let Prabha and Tamilselvam in on that little secret ‘cos they seem to forget from time to time. They tried to take EPS in ’91 and got mauled (hey, presto, we’re guerrillas again!), then a few years laater they tried to take Welioya and got their butts kicked by second-rate national guardsmen (don’t forget we’re guerrillas really), and now that they’ve been routed from the East we’re hearing the same ol’ whining.

What a vivid imagination.

But the truth is stranger than fiction:)

hey blacker,
do you remember this comment you made
“The reason the civilians in Vaharai are exposed to shelling is because the Tigers are encamped in their midst and using them as a shield to fire at the Army. If the LTTE is so concerned about the civils they shouldn’t be in the midst of thousands of IDPs in such a small area. And Tamil civilians ffrom Vaharai HAVE claimed the LTTE fired from the area. So there ARE witnesses, Tamil ones.”

and the discussion on the shelling of the IDP camps on that thread?

well have a look at this:
Human rights under siege – return to war by Human rights watch
http://hrw.org/reports/2007/srilanka0807/4.htm#_Toc173322248

some of the quotes:
“Similarly, Human Rights Watch spoke with three international organizations with direct knowledge of the Vaharai area and the Kathirivelli incident, and none of them had any direct knowledge, or had heard credible reports, of the LTTE using civilians as “human shields.””

“The 12 witnesses who spoke with Human Rights Watch provided no support for the government’s claim. None of the people at or around the Kathiravelli camp that day reported any LTTE artillery fire that morning. The nearest LTTE military base was about two kilometers away, three people said… But none of them said the LTTE had used anyone as a “human shield,” that is, purposefully using civilians to render an LTTE fighter immune from attack.”

or are HRW biased… if you discount this then you have to discount their report on candian fund raising…

Jey talking to Thamil? Are you off the medication again?

N, have you got anything sensible to add?

Another Nonsensical Note from a Naive, Narrow-minded, Nitwit.

Sensible? Jey old boy none of the conversations that any of us have with you have been sensible or serious…oh no…you haven’t thought that I’ve been taking you seriously all this time have you?hehe…btw nice alliteration…getting some english tuition have we?

Why thank you. Describes you perfectly doesn’t it?

Legend aside…what u on about lions breeding like rabbits? I think your biology knowledge is on par with your reasoning ability. Come on man…show some wit…or does VP not like that?

Oh! you now realise it’s a legend and not fact? Welcome to the real world N.

Now stop wasting your time on this blog and go and advise your fellow countrymen of the same. Be careful how you put it to them though, you might end up in a white van.

I have never ever said it was anything but legend, I don’t speak for the crazies who take that kind of story literally…to be that delusional one must be in the same boat as those who think VP is a chola king incarna…oh…now I understand where the misunderstanding comes from Jey…my bad…humble apologies…

Well, according to the CFA, neither side was allowed to advance their FDLs, raise flags in areas outside their control, carry out assassinations, extortion, etc. But the LTTE continued to do just that; so to say that the GoSL’s intransigience was the reason for the breakdown of the CFA is ridiculous or ignorant (you can take your pick). The LTTE also continued to provoke the Army by regularly firing at FDLs and checkpoints. All of that wasn’t really conducive to fostering trust. So are you surprised that the Army took its time vacating the HSZs?

I am not denying that they happened. But they started happening almost a year after it was clear that the army was not going to budge and fulfill its end of the 2002 CFA agreement. Reda the CFA agreement on the BBC webpage and you will see the dates within which the army had to vacate. To the LTTE’s credit they did not retaliate when three of their ships were sunk by the SL navy in 2002 and 2003.

If the army had vacated those areas within the dates stipulated in the Cease Fire agreement then the LTTE would have found it hard to convince the Tamils and the international community that it was not possible to proceed with talks when the lives of ordinary Tamil could not return to normal with the army illegally occupying large areas of public/private land and infrastructure.

The Navy had every right to sink LTTE boats because the CFA stipulates thaat no gun-, drug-, or human-trafficking would be tolerated and that sovereign control of the seas would be under the GoSL. So the LTTE was in fact violating the CFA whenever it took a boat out of harbour. The clash between the Sea Tigers and the Navy just before the signing, in which a naval officer and several Tigers were killed made it obvious that the LTTE had no intention of complying with this clause (as was later proven). Also, within DAYS of the CFA the LTTE had already violated it by raising flags and carrying weapons in GoSL areas. So as I said before, this wasn’t conducive to fostering trust, and so it’s not surprising that the Army didn’t move out immediately. Then as the LTTE sstepped up their terrorism, the Army dug its heels in. In fact what you should be giving credit to is the GoSL’s disciplined control of the Army which resisted all LTTE provocations. I myself have sat at the Black Bridge checkpoint west of Batti in 2002 for 45 minutes waiting to get through while the LTTE continuously fired small arms over the bridge. There was no retaliation by the Army.

but in the end, Jey, it’s immaterial who fired first. The point is the LTTE wasn’t serious about the CFA, using it as just a period to rearm. When the GoSL administration changed the new govt was unhappy with the CFA terms, and started to follow the LTTE’s intransigience, resulting in total breakdown. However, it was the LTTE who had most to gain by the CFA but they squandered it with their lack of vision and the pressure from an impatient Tamil populaace demanding a full return to normalcy. In other words the LTTE was unable to govern the population as a civil administration should, and found it easier to return to a wartime scenario in which their usual mantra of “it’s a war so just shut up and wait” could be forced on the Tamils.

The Tamil attitude towards the LTTE’s provocation was quite clear — I remember having a beer in Batti when news came thaat the LTTE had attacked China Bay (I think it was in Jan 2005), and the Tamil next to me put his head in his hands and said to the waiter “What the hell are those fools doing”.

Even the new administration responded after a lot of provocation (including attacks against Dvoras in Trinco) and and sent KFirs after the attempted suicide bombing on Sarath Fonseka.

What does “chating” mean?

Devananda was already an MP in ’94, dickhead. He was re-elected in 2000. The fact that he has a seat is in spite of the LTTE efforts in 2004. Are you saying that he was allowed to campaign in LTTE areas in 2004?

BTW, there’s no need to sign off your posts as “Dumb Ass”. We already noticed.

Er Sorry typo..I meant “chatting” i.e talking.

Anyway the records show Dougie campaigned in his home constituency of Jaffna in April 2004. If anyone had come forward for as an EPDP candidate in LTTE controlled areas, I am sure the LTTE would have provided them with adequate protection from the local Tamil polulace. ;-)

Blacker somehow I get the feeling that some of you guys don’t like me because of my opinions about the LTTE.

After the war is over why don’t you go to Killinochchi for a cup of tea and find out what nice, sweet people they are. Blacker you can even tell them about your “vivid imaginations”.

“Blacker somehow I get the feeling that some of you guys don’t like me because of my opinions about the LTTE.” – nothing gets past Jey, thats for sure!

“If anyone had come forward for as an EPDP candidate in LTTE controlled areas, I am sure the LTTE would have provided them with adequate protection from the local Tamil polulace”

Both Douglas and Anandasangaree were warned verbally and in writing that their lives would be in danger, and that the LTTE could not provide them with safety or security, if they chose to campaign in LTTE areas. You can intepret that how you wish, but I’m sure you’ll take the route of naivety and/or injured innocence.

“Blacker somehow I get the feeling that some of you guys don’t like me because of my opinions about the LTTE”

Actually, Jey, I don’t give aa rat’s arse one way or the other about you as an individual; life’s too short for that shit. What IS mildly annoying (and occasionally amusing) is that your ignorance about the reality of SL in general and the NE in particular (I know you don’t live here, but that’s hardly an excuse) doesn’t prevent you forwarding opinions on those subjects on which you are most uninformed.

“After the war is over why don’t you go to Killinochchi for a cup of tea and find out what nice, sweet people they are”

I don’t need to wait til the war is over, Jey. I’ve been to the NE regularly (at least once a year if not more) since I left the Army in ’91 — including the LTTE areas. I agree that they are sweet people, but under the brutal yoke of the LTTE — who are not that sweet.

And how did you get so speak for all Tamils? There is no “Tamil homeland” — it is a fairy tale. The east is majority non-Tamil.

The 1977 Vaddukodai resolution,

the joint position put forward by all Tamil militant parties in 1985 Thimpu talks,

the recent 2004 TNA election mandate that on them 22 parliamentary seats,

the “Pongu Tamil” mass demos in Jaffna, Killinochi, Vavuniya, Trincomalee, Baticaloa since 2000 and the several held in Canada, Australia, United KIngdom, rest of Europe, USA, South Africa, where Tamils voiced their support for Eelam and endorsed their representatives as the LTTE.

The Pongu Tamil demos (like our own Toppigala celebrations) are official events, and in the NE officials, school children, civil society representatives and invitees from the general public are required to attend. I doubt anyone would refuse :). So it’s not a sign of public support. Overseas the support is real enough, ‘cos idiots like you, Jey, who haven’t much of a clue about what life’s like under the LTTE (and who have no intention of either fighting for or living in Eelam), are willing to support it out of a feeling of revenge for past persecutions.

You throw your money at the problem and are fat and happy, educating your kids in the west, making careers, while the NE dies. The LTTE is quite happy to have morons like you as a foreign suppporrt base ‘cos you blindly give money with no responsibility and no attempt to control the LTTE or make it accountable (as any genuine representative should be). I hope you remembered that contribution, Jey, ‘cos every dollar will help prevent a Tamil child from being fed, educated, or clothed; it will buy more luxuries for Prabha & Tamilselvam, it wil help educate their kids in Europe; it will finance drugs that will destroy lives in the west, and sell young girls into prostitution in SE Asia; it will pay for the bullests that kill women, children, and the elderly, all citizens of the NE. Don’t forgt, Jey. Every dollar counts.

you’re a joke david… a hack writer, worthless ex-army, sinhala ass kissing, couldn’t make it in the west so went back to SL, piece of shit…

how come you have so much time to write your nonsense on all these blogs…
get a life loser…

Kehalia Rambukwella should give way to David Blacker.

Blacker you put Baghdad Bob to shame.

Aw, can’t think of anything but insults? Have a sob. That’s the reason the NE is so fucked up. Dickhead Tamils with no initiative or imagination just want the problem solved for them. So the NE Tamil population stick their head in the sand, and hope the Tigers will think of something smart. The diaspora also sticks its head in the sand, throws in some money, and hopes for the best, also bloody glad that they’ll never ever have to come live under the LTTE. Meantime the Tigers kill Tiruchchelvam and any other Tamil who actually has vision and a plan.

Anyway, just sit tight folks. Jey will now disappear for a week or two in the hope everyone here will forget what a horse’s arse he’s made of himself, then come back to spout the same ol’ propoganda from his safe and prozaic haven outside SL, and Chiller will just go change his name to Monkeybrains or whatever and come back. Guys, you make the Sinhalese look good.

hahaha, you’re a racist douche bag david
loser

Ha ha ha did your parents actually name you after a duck?

Yes, but the Scots don’t have a separate state — they just think thay do. It’s still part of the UK.

Idiot Portuguese,Dutch and English invaded our country,like Tamil kings from India to steal our wealth, don’t use their remarks as evidence for your home land,they themselves are outsiders,read mahavansaya and go and see the ruins in Nagadeepa and others Buddhist temples in East (which are 1000 years old) and you’ll understand that eelam is just a fake.

But Jey, the East was part of the Kandyan Kingdom. Don’t you think it’s strange that this mythical “Tamil Eelam” that is claimed to have existed since time immemorial fits perfectly into the provincial borders created by the Brits? Let’s face it this claim of a “Tamil homeland” is a fantastic new creation that was brought into existence after independence. Claiming it a “traditional” and “historical” homeland is not going to make it true. Much of the place names are Tamilised Sinhalese ones – like Mada Kalapuwa -> Matakkalappu
Tiriyaya –> Tiriyai, Gantale –> Kantale, Oluwila –> Oluwil the list goes on.

Jey what’s this obsession with breeding like rabbits? Did the 100 gadjillion Tamils in Tamil Nadu escape your attention? Or is that the result of a careful population control program?

Blacker : “Yes, but the Scots don’t have a separate state — they just think thay do. It’s still part of the UK.”

Blacker your lack of knowledge is mindboggling. Scotland is a COUNTRY. Its got its own flag and borders, laws etc. I have seen Scotland play as a seperate country during certain sports championships like football and rugby.
Scotland, Wales and England are distinct countries with different flags which belong to a union called the United Kingdom.

So Blacker the borders of Scotland have been recognised internationally on all geographical maps.

To Poojitha and Sarath, this is what a Sinhalese, Dr Brian Seneveratne, has to say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvU-fVZAdAQ

“So Blacker the borders of Scotland have been recognised internationally on all geographical maps.”

Jey, you are embarrassing yourself. England, Scotland, and Wales are separate countries???? Ha ha ha. They’re only considered separate by sporting bodies like criicket, football and rugby. Even the Olympic committee only recognises the UK. There are no English, Scottish, Welsh or N Irish olympic teams. Ever heard of a Scottish consulate or embassy, or having to get a Welsh visa? Ha ha. Maybe there’s a Scottish ambaassador to the UN too? England, Scotland, Wales, and N Ireland are basically provinces of the UK, with their own provincial parliaments, flags, and a few different laws (particularly dealing with land). England allowed Scotland & Wales to consider themselves nations in order to salvage national pride and prevent rebellion. In reality they’re no different to what Quebec is in Canada. Jey, you’re an ignoramus.

In all fairness, saying that Scotland is its own country probably the second dumbest argument I’ve ever read here, beaten only by Jey’s previous assertion that Tamils invented crepes.

If we give the Tamils their own rugby team is everyone happy?

But they invented Rugby Indi… its Kabbadi with an oval ball thrown in… don’t you know anything

wikipedia entry on uk:

“The United Kingdom is a constitutional monarchy comprising four constituent countries (sic!) : England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.”

Thanks Look,

Eagerly awaiting your comments Indi, Blacker and sarcastic rats like Tariq. F**KING SUPER THICK BASTARDSs.

This is the depth of knowledge of a Colombo’s supposed intelectual cream on Sri Lanka’s past colonial masters. Embarrasing no?

No wonder the South can’t solve this ethnic conflict. And they want us to negotiate with them? Pity us Tamils What the f**K are we going to do?

SIGH…even deeper SIGH….

Sorry, but quoting Wikipedia isn’t really proof of one’s intellect. As I said, for a nation to be considered a nation it must be recognised to be one by its neighbours and the IC (not by sports bodies). As far as I know, sovereign nations have their own armed forces, embassies, etc. As Wiki says, they are “constituent countries” not sovereign nations. I’m sorry that this has turned into aa lesson in current affairs, but I guess some people just don’t know too much about the world they live in. Sorry, Jey, but you’re still an ignoramus. All we’ve proven is that Look’s one as well.

But that might be the solution. Just call the NE Eelam and bullshit them into thinking they’re a nation by giving them a cricket teaam and a silly flag.

Actually, in British Constitutional Law, Scotland, Wales, England and N. Ireland are considered “countries”.

This is, however, a rather special use of the word “country”. In common usage, “country” means “independent state”, and in that sense Scotland is obviously not a country.

Blacker stop beating round the bush and accept you don’t know what you are talking about!!! Scotland is a COUNTRY in a union. Jesus, I am going pop a vein!

My earlier comparison to the country was to educate you nitwits that this setup is the minimum that would appease Tamils without complete independence, and would keep the island united for economic reasons. This would have been the expected end result of the 2002 ceasefire that the LTTE were hoping for, when they proposed the ISGA as an interim solution in 2003. (with the added exception that due to past Sinhala -Tamil agreements being broken by consecutive SL govts since 1948 and the failure of the IC in preventing SL army breaking the 2002 CFA when capturing the East, the Tamils cannot agree to disram the LTTE for atleast the next 50 years – conditional on good behaviour on the part of the GOSL and a referendum to disarm by Tamils. )

Of course with recent polls showing that 60% of the Sinhala South prefered a militry victory over the LTTE looks like the above suggestion can’t be obtained by peace negotiations. Tamils have been pushed to seek outright independence.

Jey, take a pill. I know the world has a nasty habit of coming up with inconvenient details thaat don’t fit in with our juvenile fantasies, but learn to accept that. It’s callled growing up. But if you want to call a “country” that has no armed forces, no international relations, and is in fact ruled by the parent state, the model for the “nation” of Eelam, hey, who am I to argue. Delusion does have its merits. But in reality Palestine is more of a nation than Scotland. The English are quite adept at convincing their subjects that they actually have the freedoms they waant when in reality they don’t. :) So if you want Eelam to be like the “country” of Scotland, go for it. Better learn some ball games too, since that’s the only place the “country” will be recognised. Each morning, I wonder just how much more foolish you could become, and you never fail to disappoint me. Thanks.

As for the rest of your post, about a 50-year-old LTTE, good luck with that. Hopefully there’ll be some Tamils left to be represented.

And as for independence, keep pissing at the moon, you just might hit it one day. It’s not been done since the end of WW2, but don’t let that stop you :)

Jey, have a look at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Place_names_in_Sri_Lanka

Besides that, a lot of Sri Lankan Tamils have Sinhalese-origin names that betray their ancestry:

Gunasinghe –> Gunasingham
Seneviratne –> Seneviretnam
Karunaratne –> Karunaratnam
Jayaratne –> Jeyaretnam
Jayasinghe –> Jayasingham

Hi Devhead (hopefully not a pseudonym for David Blacker),
The contents of Wikipedia are added by any Tom, Dick and Harry and many articles have been disputed. Tamils kings have rulled from Kandy in the past. That doesn’t mean the Tamils can claim Kandy as part of Eelam. Esentially we have to look at the demographics as it was from when the troublemakers arrived and independence. The census will show the Tamil dominated North and East which are good indication of areas forming the Tamil homeland.

But we can just as easily argue that the Sinhalese were living in the East before Tamils arrived from India and ‘chased them away.’ Why should the census of the colonials be taken as the set standard? Sri Lanka’s history didn’t start when the colonials arrive Jey. And since when have “Tami kings ruled from Kandy in the past”? One of the kings who ruled the Kandyan Kingdom had Telugu origins. That’s Telugu, not Tamil. I don’t think the Telugu people would be very happy if you claimed that they were Tamil.

Another website:

http://www.geocities.com/place.names/

Appologies it was the Kotte kingdom further south by Jeyaveera Singainagarya Chakarvarti of the Jaffna kingdom, according to the Yalpana Vaipava Malai translation by C. Britto. It was regarding some pearl fishing disputes. The Kandiyan kingdom was not worth conquering at that time. A word of advice, I tend to avoid relying on the Mahavamsa as it is not officially recognised as authoratative by international historical scholars.

Regardng the other point, considering that Tamils are known to have peopled South India at least 3000 years ago (The Genographic project by National Geographic in which I took part states South India was peopled 30 000 years ago) it is very highly possible that a seafaring nation like the Tamils would have colonised the island long before the Sinhalese arrived in 300 – 500 BC. The Anaikoddai escavation in 1980, which prompted the burning of the Jaffna library and the historical Tamil records by Lalith Athulathmudali and cohorts, revealed Tamil burial urns from the pre christian era. It is wrong to conclude that Tamils first arrived on the island during the Imperial Chola invasion in the 10th century AD.

Hey don’t make stupid assumptions like ,about people living 30000 years ago,because about 30 000 years ago there were only Neanderthals,So if they have come first Sri Lanka belong to them,and you can’t have separate land for possibilities either,there were people living in Sri Lanka before sinhala arrival,they were not tamils,we could assume that those burial sites of tamils discovered were just merchants died who came from Tamil nadu

History is obviously not someone’s strong point. Anyway to correct you, the first humans with Marker M169 on the Y chromosome existed approximately 100 000 years ago and about 70 000 years ago they are known to have started migrating out of Africa. Around 30 000 years ago the first L(M20) Y chromosome marked humans, decendants of M169 -> M89 -> M9 -> L(M20) arrived in South India. They are known as the Indian clan and 50% of South Indians have this genetic marker including myself (according to Scientists in Texas anyway).

You don’t want to rely on the Mahavansa but the Yalpana Vaipava Malai is OK? Somehow, I don’t understand the logic there. And by exactly whom is it “known that Tamils are known to have peopled South India at least 3000 years ago”? Burial urns are a feature of tribal groups (the actual indigenous people of Sri Lanka and South India – including Tamil Nadu). BTW, have you ever heard of the Gold Plate of Vallipuram?

The part of the history that I refered to in the Yalpana Vaipava Malai was in the 14th – 15th century. The incident as well as the book were written in the last millenia, which is more recent compared to the Mahvamsa which was based on stuff written by a monk nearly two millenia ago on events that happened 1000 years before the monk was born.

Therefore I put SOME faith in the YVM which was written in 1735 but alomost none in a history that has lions mating with human princesses to form the Sinhala nation. :-O

The monk was either lacking primary resources or smoking pot.

Well according to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalpana_Vaipava_Malai the YVM corroborates the Mahavamsa. Written in 1736 A.D it starts with the “history” of the “Rama Ravana war.” Hmm, wonder who was smoking pot. And do you think a 2 millenia+ gap between writing the book and the “historical events” it covers is more legit? I’m not trying to defend the Mahavamsa here, but the Mahavamsa was the “latest copy” of earlier records. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahavamsa

Well since you put some faith in YVM, I think you’ll find the following interesting. Note the references to the YVM:

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Eric Nirmalan from federalidea:

Let’s be truthful of the history of this island nation, and of our own beloved Tamil nation. Our Tamil nation , which always had its geographical limits in history. According to Illngovadivel who authored Silaaappdigaram (circa Ptolomy) the ‘Tamil land was bounded by the sea on the east and the west, Kumari (Cape Comorin) on the south and the Tirupathi hills on the north.’ It does not refer to Ilankai as a part of the Tamil nation. So, sadly there was no Tamil nation in the present day Sri Lanka, at anytime.

You also speak of a ‘LTTE’s Tamil national leader’. That is a lot of parroting of the LTTE propaganda
which has brutalised and savaged several generations of our youth living in Sri Lanka.

Let’s also look a bit more of the earliest settlement of Yalpanam which Portugease Father Queroz (circa 1560) a much respected historian elaborates. He says ‘Jaffnapatnam was uncultivated and belonged to the Sinhalese kings. Although it had many forested areas the chief occupation of the inhabitants was hunting and fishing.’ He also goes to say how the Sinhalese king Parakramabahu of Cota had settled a Panikkar of Thulunar who was a highly skilled warrior as the chief of Yalpanam.

It is also will be of interest for our youth to take a look at the very detailed map of the Dutch cartographer, Isaak Tirion circa 1750. Jaffnapatnam is confined to peninsular Jaffna. All the land south of the Jaffna Lagoon to the east, is the Land of the Beddas (veddahs) and to the west is the land of the Vanniyars. History also tell that in later years in 1600+ at each opportunity the Vanniyars got they joined the Sinhalese to raid Yalpanam.

So this is the history our young Tamils need to be made aware of and the not racist indoctrination of the ‘Surya Thevan’ that has caused this massive tragedy to us. We need to to live peacefully with our Sinhlese and Muslim brethren in Sri Lanka.

The first official treaty recognsed under international law is the Treaty signed by the Sinhalese king and the Dutch in 1766. This allowed the Dutch the control of one Sinhalese ‘gawwa’ (4 miles) from the sea from south of Yalpanam around the island in areas not occupied by the Ductch at the tiem. The Sinhalese king also made a claim from the Dutch for the return of Kottiyarama and Tampalagamuwa at the that time.

Minister Dewanayagam as a young lawyer in Battcaloa later stated at a public meeting that the ‘there were hardly any Tamils in Batticaloa when he first started his practice in the 1930s.’

In fact there was no term as the Jaffna Tamils in the early part of 1900. Our ancesters were called Malabars by the Portugese, Dutch and the early British and by varous other terms, until we became predominantly Tamil and Briish came to understand the differences with the recruitment of our brethren for the coffee plantations . Both our own writers Kathiresu, circa 1905 and Mudaliar Rasanayagam uses the term ‘Jaffnese’. The term Jaffna Tamils developed only once settlements started in the east so as to distinguish our high caste Tamils from the mixed people of Battcaloa, and that term came into much later in the 20 th century. There were no Northern or Eastern Tamils mentioned till even much later. The Jaffnese in large numbers were confined to the Jaffna peninsular until the railways opened for our ancestors to come to Colombo in 1906 onwards. Else the movement of people by sea or land was very limited.

Once Tamil youth are encorage to read factual history of the 1901 census is seen that 88% of the population was concentrated on the Jaffa peninsular and only 12% lived in todays Mullativu, Kilinochchi districts of the Northern Province. As per J.P Lewis (Manual of the Wanni Districts of Ceylon) the long serving Governement Agent of the Wanni, immigration and settlement of the areas from people from Jaffna and India was government sposored and the Mullativu Hospital was called the ‘Immigration’ Hospital. The areas were abandoned by the Sinhalese who withdrew to the hinterland in the face of foreign invasions.

I feel our young Tamils have to be encouraged to read these narratives to know the true history of Sri Lanka rather than the leading them down the garden path of rhetoric, arraogance and racism.

Please read, Mudaliar Rasanayam himself in Ancient Jaffna, where he quotes the ‘Yalapana Vaipa Malar P 33′ and speaks of the Sinhalese living in villages of Yalapanam at the time of our King Sankili. He says ‘After the massacre of the Christians, Sankili’s insane fury longed for more victims and he fell upon the Buddhists of Jaffna who were all Sinhalese. He expelled them beyond the limits of the country and destroyed their various places of worship. M ost of them betook themselves to the Vannis and the Kandyan territories’. This is as per Y.P.M.

I wish young Tamils read and absorb these historical texts and other information rather than listening to unfounded racists literature that has caused such tragedy to our generation.

Journalists and othe leaders of the community have a duty to educate our youngsters. It was Sir Pannambalm Ramanathan who rejected universal franchise for all Ceylonese in the 1920s, and sowed the seeds of racism in Ilankai. However the Sinhalese due to their own petty caste issues did not think so. They elected a Tamil to take their seat in the State Council.

That was racial harmony at that time for ‘one Ceylon’. Lets build that underatsanding rapport once again.

“Oops almost forgot. Better make that deposit today”

I call bullshit… I’m betting you haven’t contributed a fucking cent to the LTTE… you talk a big game Jey but I reckon your just a wannabe freedom fighter.

“Oops almost forgot. Better make that deposit today”

I call bullshit… I’m betting you haven’t contributed a fucking cent to the LTTE… you talk a big game Jey but I reckon you’re just a wannabe freedom fighter.

You are right. Definetly not A fucking cent. What the hell are they going to do with a fucking cent?

Feed your mnd:

http://www.janes.com/press/press/pc070719_1.shtml

Devhead, you ask: And by exactly whom is it “known that Tamils are known to have peopled South India at least 3000 years ago”?

Well, anyone who keeps abreast of the academic literature on the prehistory of South Asia actually does know that people who spoke Dravidian languages have lived in the Deccan from at least the third millennium BCE onwards. Dorian Fuller’s work is probably the best introduction if you’re interested in learning just how we know this. You might be surprised by just how much scholars can reconstruct when they combine archaeology, botany and historical linguistics.

When Tamil emerged as a distinct language from Proto-South-Dravidian is still not entirely clear, but at any rate the ancestors of the Tamils have been in southern India for nearabout five thousand years.

I’m not talking about “people who spoke Dravidian languages” or “proto Dravidian” or whatnot. I’m talking about Tamil as a separate ethnic group. Once again, exactly by whom is it known that “Tamils are known to have peopled South India at least 3000 years ago”?

Fine. We know that people who spoke an early stage of the language that we today call Tamil, carried the gene markers that Tamils, practised customs described in later Tamil texts, and made markings on their pottery that resemble early Tamil Brahmi lived in South India during the Neolithic period. We don’t know what they called themselves, but from the abovementioned data, we do know that they were the same ethnic group that today calls itself Tamil.

That’s fascinating, could you cite your sources please?

And pigs will fly too!

Very informative sane thanks. I already feel we can solve this ethnic conflict through a negotiated solution.

Yes seriously I am serious.

I read that news item a couple of days ago too. Found it hard to digest. Have to accept it as genuine because it is reuters. Have to ponder this one though. I never take things at face value. I normally read from several sources and put things together. I know for a fact that the Vanni population are a spartan crowd and die hard LTTE supporters. Remember when it comes to the LTTE there is more, much more than meets the eye. Living in hididng in LTTE controlled Vanni? Hmm and the LTTE special forces sniper team can get past Kadirs 100 man security in Colombo. These kind of comments of continued recruitment 8 months after Hon V.P declared that there was no use in further peace talks?
Its uncharacteristic of the LTTE to talk the talk and then walk the walk. They normally do it the other way round.

Psyops? Maybe.

Well IMO the “best hope for the Tamil people” has actually been responsible for their destruction. The LTTE has done more damage to the Tamil people than the Sinhalese people ever could. The LTTE has eaten and continues to eat away at the Tamil community from within. Bad things from within have a far more deleterious effect than external threats, mainly because they are insidious. A once proud people are now seeking refuge in India among the Indian Tamils that they looked down upon, and thousands more are internally displaced. Add to that child soldiers, suicide bombers, bombs, cyanide capsules, extortion, Tamil-on-Tamil violence and it is not a pretty picture. I am not pointing out this with glee or a superiority complex, merely explaining how the LTTE has led to the downfall of the Tamil community. In 1981 Sri Lankan Tamils accounted for around12.6% of the Sri Lankan populaton….what do you that is today?

Now Tamil population is only 8.5%,thanks to prabha

The retaliating Sri Lankan army was and continues to be directly responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent Tamil civilians since 1983. The Sinhala govt is responsible for the ethnic cleansing of Tamils and Sinhala colonizations in the east (Trincomalee, Batticaloa). The Tamils and the rest of the world are well aware of that Poojitha and Devhead.

The Tamil struggle for Self Determination led by the LTTE started with one gun against the entire Sri Lankan apparatus. Today the Tamils have no external support but several countries provide armed assistance to the Sri lankan state which is attempting to quash the Tamil resistance.

With 16 000 fighters, a navy, air force, a police force since 1992, Judiciary and Tamil Eelam bank since 1994, control of a third of the country, 22 democratically elected TNA MPs with a pro LTTE – Pro Eelam stance…Tamils have come a long way since that one gun.

British Ministers are contemplating lifting the ban and inviting Tamilselvan to speak at the House of Commons. Several countries have stopped aid flow to Sri Lanka having realised who the real aggressors and war mongers are in the Sinhala south.

We are not at a self governing Tamil Eelam yet but we are certainly on the right track. Slow and steady wins the race. Now don’t jinx it.

Er…DevHead when is war ever a pretty picture.

Man has been fighting for thousands of years. Members of the United Nations security council, with extremly responsible positions, broke international law when Iraq was attacked. If they were going to do it for whatever reason they should have had teh backing of the UN security council atleast.

So don’t blame the LTTE who took up the Tamil mandate of 1977 (TULF) to establish Tamil Eelam. The LTTE is doing what the Tamil people asked for in 1977.

Hi Dhammika,

Here are my answers to your questions:

Q – Who killed Dr. Neelan Thiruchelvam and Why?

A – Although the Sri Lankan police assume it is the LTTE the LTTE have never commented on this. However the pro LTTE discussions and news reports suggest that the LTTE were responsible, which is also my view.
The question of why is more unclear. Why not Anandasangaree, or others? Did LTTE intelligence have incriminating evidence that Neelan was a security risk or as is it just the anti Eelam propaganda Neelan was spewing out that they found damaging? Whatever it was Neelan was an unarmed civilian so this was not acceptable.

Q – Who killed Lashman Kadirgamar and Why?

A – According to various news agencies, Kadirgamar was killed by a LTTE special forces sniper in Colombo when he went for a swim at night in his pool at home in August 2005. They were able to get past Kadirs 100 man security team in the heart of Colombo and get away. Only a tripod stand, bag of urine and cheese sandwiches were discovered by the Sri Lankan police. The LTTE did not claim responsibility.
However most people on all sides have strong reasons to believe it was them.

Considering his high security, another theory was that the Mahinda group found that Kadir was a strong support for Chandrika Kumaratuga and that he was also a UN/Commonwealth candidate, therefore a major hurdle for them seizing power. With rumours of them (Rajapakses) doing business during this time with the LTTE as per D.B.S Jeyaraj, could they have also arranged this as an inside job?

Why?
The LTTE and the majority of Tamil people felt that Kadirgamar was a traitor to the Tamils. Many recount how in November 1995 on the verge of Jaffna falling to the SLA, UN Secretary General Butrous Butrous Ghali (excuse spelling) raised humanitarian issues of hundreds of thousands of Tamils. Kadirgamar’s response to him was do not interfere in Sri Lankan politics and to instead do his UN job properly and to focus on the malarial epidemic in Africa. Kadir did a lot of other underhand dirty politics against the Tamils and had a lot of blood on his hands. LTTE critics say that the fact that a Tamil had a high ranking office showed that there was no Sinhala discrimination against the Tamils. Likewise the Vichi regime in France worked with Nazi Germany AGAINST the French peoples aspirations.
Whatever reason, again it was not acceptable to kill him extrajudicially as he was an unarmed civilian. The LTTE or other Tamil organisations should have taken him to the International courts of Justice instead?

Dhammika another question you must ask is:

How many democratically elected Tamil politicians have the Sri Lankan state killed because of their pro LTTE stance?

Kumar Ponnampalam – in Colombo
Joseph Pararajasingham – in Batticaloa
Chandra Nehru – In Batticaloa
Nadarajah Raviraj – In Colombo
Vanniyasingam – in Trincomalee

There are other unarmed political workers, editors, journalists who were prominent in the Tamil community and who used democratic means to work for Tamil Eelam.