Since this an anoymous forum and not a dating site, I think you should discuss the comments and not the people.

“you lebel them terrorist yet expect them to demontrate democracy….thats realy funny man”

I’m so glad you’re amused. I hope the people of the NE share your sense of humour. The point isn’t what WE label the LTTE, but what they calll themselves — freedom fighters and legitimate representatives of the SL Tamils. If so they should be giving ‘their’ people their legitimate freedoms — democracy and the right to vote is part of those legit freedoms. Opressing and suppressing them only shows the LTTE to be living upto what they’ve been labelled as.

“just tell me which western country is run by democracy these days”

All of the Western World is, but if you want a specific example, I’ll take the EU countries. Please elaborate how these are not democratically run.

“never mind..i dont have time and patience to teach you on that.”

Yes, I’m sure rhetoric is much more convenient. Why bother with nasty facts, no?

“by the way, are you aware of the powers of ‘precidency’ in Sri Lanka…it is clearly not democracy as far as I know..yet you accept it as so…it concludes there cannot be no intersection of our views of democracy and that of mine..”

Yes, I am aware of the presidential powers under the emergency regulations, becuase I live here in SL. Whether it is undemocratic is not clear and very debatable. Please explain your views on democracy, and then we can see whether our views our as divergent as you maintain.

“Well David..should you decide to take forward an arm struggle..my peice of advise is never do so with political parties….you form political parties once you have achieved your political objectives..not before that…”

Well, Seeko, the Tamil separatists don’t agree with you. They (including the LTTE) have always had their political party fronts. The LTTE continues to maintain the TNA. And if you think you can win a separate country by military power alone, you are a fool; you cannot. The only way to demonstarate too the IC that you can govern the land you want is by having political arms. The LTTE understands this; you obviously don’t.

“it was a mulit part election within Sri Lankan parlimentary model..”

Actually it wasn’t. In the SL parliamentry model ((which you might have heard about if you live here) ALL parties are allowed to campaign freely. The LTTE refused to allow anyone but the TNA to campaign in Tiger areas and made thinly veiled threats against all other candidates. Please explain to me how a one-party campaign fits in with the SL parliamentry model.

“well you read about this somewhere should you need to really update you with some good intelligenvce on the subject……”

Please provide some links so that I can educate myself on the subject to your lofty standards of intelligence (other than Tamilnet, etc of course lol).

“what could be your fair demand is that you let them(Tamils) live independently and then demand to show that so called democracy.”

Am I right in rephrasing your above line as “the fair thing would be to allow the Tamils to live independently and then demand that they demonstrate democracy”?

Fair enough, and in a perfect world you’d be right. You see, I agree with the original Tamil cause (though I have myself fought against it). And I believe it was once justified by the Sinhalese oppression. However, the LTTE has ably demonstrated that they are far more oppressive than any Sinhalese-led government was — they oppress, starve, terrorise and extrort from ‘their’ people, they have killed every single Tamil leader they could get their hands on who didn’t toe the Tiger line. So along the way, VP corrupted the Tamil cause and changed it from ‘Free My People’ to ‘Give Me Power’. So while the original cause was true, when the Tamils took up the gun, they unleashed the dogs of war. Now you must face those dogs. It’s too late to say let us live peacefully and we’ll be good boys. Start being good boys, and we”ll let you live peacefullly.

“Further…Prabaharan cannot be fooling around Tamils…he cannot be a leader of Tamils if they dont accept him so, if they do so then he should be the right one.”

Don’t be silly. The possession of power doesn’t legitimise that power.

“Because Tamils are generaly not stupids….”

No, they are not (I should know); but they have absolved themselves of the decision-making process. The SL Tamils say “what to do” and the foreign Tamils are happy paying off the Tigers to deal with a problem they don’t want to sacrifice their own kids to. The Tigers are funded by the foreign Tamils and control by terror the local Tamils. So the problem with the Tamils is not stupidity but apathy.

“Prabaharan is leading Tamils because they accept him as their leader…not because Prabaharan wants them behind him at gun point.”

This is just conjecture and not based in fact.

David Blaker and Prabath…unless I have sufficient intelligence on your background I cannot comment on your intentions with your comments…if you are really a general public, then you are wrong at many levels (if I were to take that you are right then you are nutt or bolts of different propagenda machines)…I do not like to further commnet on this…but a last word on David’s comment on expecting a ‘terrorist’ group (so called by you) to demosntrate their ‘democratical figure’ is highly logically broken…

you lebel them terrorist yet expect them to demontrate democracy….thats realy funny man….How many nations and powers in history has called who and who as terrorists in the past??…do you happened to know that…not so long ago British called the Americans rebellians (not the natives); terrorists…just tell me which western country is run by democracy these days…have you ever heard of a term pseudo democracy !!? run by beurocratic elemements…never mind..i dont have time and patience to teach you on that.

by the way, are you aware of the powers of ‘precidency’ in Sri Lanka…it is clearly not democracy as far as I know..yet you accept it as so…it concludes there cannot be no intersection of our views of democracy and that of mine..

Well David..should you decide to take forward an arm struggle..my peice of advise is never do so with political parties….you form political parties once you have achieved your political objectives..not before that…yet LTTE has shown significance in making sure they do not deviate from their political objectives time to time..one of them was TNA ellections outcomes…it was a mulit part election within Sri Lankan parlimentary model..yet comepeting with two other major tamil parties and all other Sinhalese parties…well you read about this somewhere should you need to really update you with some good intelligenvce on the subject……

what could be your fair demand is that you let them(Tamils) live independently and then demand to show that so called democracy..well it seems some of you are way long comming in terms to accept it due to your geo political and econimical benifits… let me save my breath at this point.

Further…Prabaharan cannot be fooling around Tamils…he cannot be a leader of Tamils if they dont accept him so, if they do so then he should be the right one. Because Tamils are generaly not stupids….

for few examples to quote they taught the Americans how to reduce the aero dynamic vibratations in bodies travelling at supersonic speads(Prof Mahalingam), they taught the world how to build robust architectures in modern engineering (Thurai theorom by Prof Thurairaja )….

therefore if you are not stupid enough, then you should understand there cannot be a stupid or toungue cracker leading the Tamils in Ceylon. as Jay said, Prabaharan is leading Tamils because they accept him as their leader…not because Prabaharan wants them behind him at gun point.

The book of Mahavamsa is a work of an idiot. The Sinhalese failure to look beyond that book will bring the total destruction of the whole race. Even the book says that the so called Sinhalese Kings continuously married bride from the Pandiyan Empire in order keep alliance. This makes the so called Sinhalese King more part of the Dravidian blood line. Tamils had the first naval empire of the Indian subcontinent and its laughable that the Sinhalese claim to be on the island before the Tamils. LTTE is just asking for the rights of the Tamil and if they wanted to just to be a terrorist group they would have killed the Sinhalese in Millions by now. LTTE would have never existed if they did not have a reason and would have never been able to fight an outnumbered Army that is well financed for almost 3 decades (also taking on the Indian Army in the middle). When Indians took up arms against the British they were called trouble makers (now it is defined as terrorists). When Blacks demanded their rights from the White South African Government they were also called terrorists. Tamil Nationalism is a very minimum goal of LTTE and the rights of the Tamils of Elam is their main goal. If LTTE fails, the Sinhalese Government will definitely wipe out the Tamils of Elam and that would make Tamil Nationalism to reemerge. Tamil Nadu will for sure wipe the Island of Lanka clean of the Sinhalese if that ever happens. Tamil Nadu buried the Tamil Nationalism for the union of India, if the Central Government of India fails to bring a solution that would be acceptable by Elam Tamils then for sure the break up of Tamil Nadu from the Indian Union is a fact (by force or by referendum). LTTE made a huge mistake by not claiming the whole Island and not labeling Sinhalese as foreigners. The Tamils existence is so rooted into the Island that it cannot be even traced back, while the Sinhalese existence beings with an idiot and his followers being banished from the Bengal. The burning of the Jaffna library which housed scripts and 10,000 years of Tamil history is for sure one of the greatest lost to the Tamils. For sure the two light Air Planes are nothing compared to the Sri Lankan Air Force, but for sure it was enough to make the Sri Lankan Government tremble. The same was said when the Tigers Naval unit emerged and now they proved to be a successful fighting force. If the LTTE gains their goal it is win, win and win situation (for the Tamils, Sinhalese and Indians). If LTTE fails it will be a disaster for the Indian Union and the entire Sinhalese race. Two and a half million Tamils against the sixteen million Sinhalese has only caused the total destruction of the Sinhalese State (bad image on the world stage, ruined economy that is running on donations from the western powers). Seventy million Tamils against the sixteen million Sinhalese will only lead to the extinction of the Sinhalese Race. Tamil Nationalism is far more extreme then the Sinhalese Nationalism.

Looking at the website and the blog I mentioned, the JVP seems to be extremely organised, with a very clear agenda. Rajapakse’s website to me on a superficial level seems to be a photogallery of him and his wife wearing colour co-ordinated outfits, and meeting famous people. With the visit to the pope, I think that is another picture for his photogallery. By aligning to the JVP, he is fulfilling his desire for power, by pandering to the poor and needy (and anyone else who fulfils his desires), while not really doing anything of much substance to address the needs of the poor. Not sure how long they will be willing to indulge him and if the JVP have a use-by date for him. I was told by someone living in Australia, that a significant proportion of the armed forces support the JVP…which isn’t surprising, considering that a significant proportion comes from the poorer segment of the population.

Hitler rose to power with this sort of pseudo socialist agenda during a severe economic depression, break down in law and order with arms freely available (world war I had just finished), various paramillitary groups in operation and political disarray. The JVP seem to have a more organised agenda than Hitler did at the start…so this analogy may be superficial.

In Sri Lanka, there appear to be two ways of dealing with these issues…either to ignore them completely and hope it goes away, or lash out and caricaturise relevant parties…eg. the LTTE or the JVP and not constructively address the root causes of the problem. Successive leaders have exploited this in their quest for power and greed.

Anyway, thats what I was thinking.

“The masses throughout the world, from the Andes in South America to Himalayas in Asia, are craving for a new journey. They have chosen the new path to liberate their lands from the re-colonization that had suppressed them for decades. The earnest message for the New Year would be that we should make it an opportunity to incorporate such a novel concept into our lives.”
Mr. Somawansa Amarasinghe, Leader of the JVP, April 2007
http://www.lankatruth.com/

Cyprus and Sudan Two Examples of their peace
http://www.jvpsrilanka.com/e_books_page.htm
(Unfortunately this is in Sinhalese…but would be interesting to know what it contains-also has some other
policy documents and ebooks in English)

Sri Lanka: JVP grovels to the Bush administration
By Nanda Wickremasinghe
9 May 2005
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/may2005/jvp-m09.shtml
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I posted this a couple of days ago in this section but it didnt appear. Am reposting.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/COL196520.htm

Read under the heading ‘We Can win’ toward the end:
Sunanda Deshapriya, convenor of the Free Media Movement, said: “The public is thinking that the government is winning. They think: ‘We can win this war’.”

Good morning Prabath! You certainly had sweet dreams.

I bet you dreamt five hundred thousand LTTE were wiped out and eighty thousand sea tiger ships were sunk when Rajapakse and Gothabaya rode farting into battle on a white horse.

Are you the dreamer the SLA employ for updating their website with fake news and fantasies?

Me thinks you are in for a real life nightmare. No matter how much you pinch yourself you won’t wake up from that one my friend.

Novel? :) Wasn’t Che Guevara saying this back in the ’60s?

“My impression at the moment is that there appears to be more plurality of viewpoints presented by the Tamils in the English press. ”

Comment, one reason this is likely because the Tamil viewpoint is expressed more in English than that of the Sinhalese, so it’s more readily picked up by the electronic media. Another, is that the war doesn’t impact the lives and psyche of the common Sinhalese as muuch as it does the Sri Lankan Tamils (in SL and outside). So in the latter case there”s less overall debate.

It’s quite difficult to analyse the JVP position beyond its anti-establishment and anti-Tamil stance. It’s walking a fine line between the two because the two positions aren’t always mutually exclusive. For example, it’s hard to be anti-establishment when the establishment is taking a hard-line stance on the LTTE/Tamil situation. It’s hard to define the JVP as even Marxist/Leninist anymore, becaause they’ve gravitated towards a more hard right nationalism (sort of like former commies in South America), but with a religious flavour thrown in.

I saw something about the JVP in a blog recently and unfortuantely I didn’t bookmark it. I must admit I found it slightly disconcerting. It made me wonder, with history of discontent among the working class, are they going to sit back now and let things go?

My impression at the moment is that there appears to be more plurality of viewpoints presented by the Tamils in the English press. Unless of course it is an actual fact that the Sinhalese are more united in their ideas about the direction in which the country should develop.

Living overseas it is difficult to gauge, what are the viewpoints and policies offered by the JVP, apart from the obvious hold they have on the government and the opposition a peaceful settlement in the North and East.

Would anyone be able to provide links to articles in English that would provide some useful insight into the way they organise themselves these days?

Sorry…if I double posted…the previous comment didn’t get posted.

It is difficult for me to know living overseas. I saw something a week ago, on a Sri Lankan blog, about the JVP in the south, which was a bit disconcerting. Unfortunately, I didn’t bookmark it and can’t remember where I found it.

Would someone be able to give some idea….what are the policies, and the viewpoints given by the JVP? How do they operate and organise themselves these days? We already know about the hold they have on the current government, and the posturing and extreme positions taken regarding the war.

Could someone please post any good sites or links to articles in English which would provide an insight into other aspects of the JVP?

I can’t imagine, with the history of discontent among working classes in the Sinhalese areas, that they would now just sit back and let things go.

In someways, my impression at the moment is, there appears to be more plurality in the viewpoints presented by the Tamils than by the Sinhalese, in the English press and the internet. It might just be that the Sinhalese are more united in their opinions and what they wish for themselves and the country…I don’t know.

The modus operandi shut the mouths of critics. That was an even bigger blow to SL govt when they went begging all the international community to condemn it and even scaremongering that TAF was a threat to the entire SA region. No adverse comments were made which scared SL govt that they have been abandoned. Thus the sudden halt in ops in the N and E.

Further this conventional method acceptable to the IC makes it less likely that Vanni were behind the lastest bus atrocities in th east blamed on them. This was most likely done by Karuna and their Mil Int minders.

The LTTE made a precision attack on Katanayake, which no one could condemn as terrorist. Except of course the stupid SL media and govt because they couldn’t accept it. They even went as far as calling it a “cowardly attack”. The mindless baboons.

Then in an embarassing move they tried to fool the rest of South Asia that the entire region was at a risk from TAF, which unsuprisingly the South Asian countries took with a pinch of salt as usual.

John, I am sure what lies on the north side of the border at Vavuniya is not a mirage. Large parts of the north of Tamil Eelam are functioning as a state and have been for several years. The rest of Tamil Eelam is about to become a reality too.

As for the life in Colombo is concerned…I am sure many people have suddenly been looking skywards more frequently since 26 March 2007 and suffering from neck lashes.

Coupled of course with the joint boycott of Sri Lankan food and textile products by the Tamil disapora in Europe, Canada and Australia….

Lets wait and see what other dance moves Vanni makes you guys perform in the South. Entertaining, it certainly will be.

hahhaha

“hope we meet some day…”

Come over anytime. Been awhile since I got a bj from a Tamil.

why not answer the questions?
and stop bullshitting us about your “adventures” in the army… we all know it’s bullshit…

i have it under good authority that you were only a cook’s assistant… peeling onions etc… you’d just get hard and jerk off to the SLA tough guys who came in to eat… and listen to their stories…

wwhy were you kicked out?
sucked too much cock?

you’ll get what’s coming to you… karma’s a bitch…
hope we meet some day…

Bad taste in telling you about it, or bad taste to eat breakfast next to corpses?

“…How the hell did you stomach eating cold tinned salmon?”

You get used to a lot of things if you haven’t a choice. Like being hot, dirty, and uncomfortable. Like killing and seeing your friends being killed. And eating cold salmon straight from the tin. I’ve eaten worse and been grateful to have had it.