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	<description>I'm a Sri Lankan American Canadian graduate trying to make something of myself in Colombo</description>
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		<title>By: Rasika</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2007/02/obama-and-identity/comment-page-1/#comment-44714</link>
		<dc:creator>Rasika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 19:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like any other politician Obama has found a way to fool voters and become president. He&#039;s selling his black heritage to all the African American population in the US. African Americans make up a good percentage of the US population, so if he manages to woo many of them he will have a good chance of becoming president. I have no problems of having an African Americans president and I am not a racist but Obama is not a clean character either. He smoked pot, booze and did many bad things in his youth. To get a clean image he wrote a book some time back telling what he did when he was young and how wrong it was. In other words he immunized his past. (CNN)

Anyway I don&#039;t think he&#039;ll get the top job, because there are more experienced contenders such as Hillary and ex NY mayor Gugilaini. Remember the 2004 elections, Kerry was a sure winner but at the last moment Bush won again. If is a better guy than Bush, Hillary he&#039;d be wortha shot at the job, but I don&#039;t know for sure. Lets keep blogging untill 2008 and see hat happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like any other politician Obama has found a way to fool voters and become president. He&#8217;s selling his black heritage to all the African American population in the US. African Americans make up a good percentage of the US population, so if he manages to woo many of them he will have a good chance of becoming president. I have no problems of having an African Americans president and I am not a racist but Obama is not a clean character either. He smoked pot, booze and did many bad things in his youth. To get a clean image he wrote a book some time back telling what he did when he was young and how wrong it was. In other words he immunized his past. (CNN)</p>
<p>Anyway I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;ll get the top job, because there are more experienced contenders such as Hillary and ex NY mayor Gugilaini. Remember the 2004 elections, Kerry was a sure winner but at the last moment Bush won again. If is a better guy than Bush, Hillary he&#8217;d be wortha shot at the job, but I don&#8217;t know for sure. Lets keep blogging untill 2008 and see hat happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravana</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2007/02/obama-and-identity/comment-page-1/#comment-41677</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 05:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Liz&#039;s point was that Sri Lanka has larger Power Distance between authority figures and their subordinates than the West does. This can be seen in organisations. We expect our boss to have all the answers. In the UK and the USA this is not the case. Maintaining power distance is necessary sometimes because cultural values and beliefs are nearly impossible to break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Liz&#8217;s point was that Sri Lanka has larger Power Distance between authority figures and their subordinates than the West does. This can be seen in organisations. We expect our boss to have all the answers. In the UK and the USA this is not the case. Maintaining power distance is necessary sometimes because cultural values and beliefs are nearly impossible to break.</p>
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		<title>By: sniggums</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2007/02/obama-and-identity/comment-page-1/#comment-41605</link>
		<dc:creator>sniggums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 06:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liz, thanks for the link. I understand that the notions of self and identity and their boundaries are constructed at the various strata of power and it would fallacious to say that one leader can come in and change the way we perceive ourselves. It could however be, that we elect a leader because he identifies himself the same way we identify ourselves. It is a bit of both really, and it is symbiotic.  The fact that Obama has proceeded thus far, indicates some kind of change/evolution in the way some Americans perceive themselves,just because he is so atypical a candidate. How great that change remains to be seen in the outcome of the polls to come (this is based on the assumption that the US elections are representative of the populist vote).  

Yeah there is and has been a conscious effort to highlight &#039;universals&#039;, but sometimes it just doesn&#039;t seem enough- our present govt with its cabinet is an attestation to this. The politics of ethnic coalition only demarcate the identity borders further. Proportional representation has ensured that along with incompetence the only thing our politicians have in common is the lack of respect outside their ethnic group. So maybe we need people like Obama in power. Question is, what more can we do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liz, thanks for the link. I understand that the notions of self and identity and their boundaries are constructed at the various strata of power and it would fallacious to say that one leader can come in and change the way we perceive ourselves. It could however be, that we elect a leader because he identifies himself the same way we identify ourselves. It is a bit of both really, and it is symbiotic.  The fact that Obama has proceeded thus far, indicates some kind of change/evolution in the way some Americans perceive themselves,just because he is so atypical a candidate. How great that change remains to be seen in the outcome of the polls to come (this is based on the assumption that the US elections are representative of the populist vote).  </p>
<p>Yeah there is and has been a conscious effort to highlight &#8216;universals&#8217;, but sometimes it just doesn&#8217;t seem enough- our present govt with its cabinet is an attestation to this. The politics of ethnic coalition only demarcate the identity borders further. Proportional representation has ensured that along with incompetence the only thing our politicians have in common is the lack of respect outside their ethnic group. So maybe we need people like Obama in power. Question is, what more can we do?</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2007/02/obama-and-identity/comment-page-1/#comment-41588</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 01:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sniggums , you mention that the&lt;i&gt;  ... cleverness of the Obama campaign [is] also his commonness - the fact that he suffers from the same human flaws that every other American can identify with. ... We as Sri Lankans can learn much from this.&lt;/i&gt;

Have you read any about &quot;power distance&quot; as a cultural descriptor? Check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.clearlycultural.com/geert-hofstede-cultural-dimensions/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Geert Hofstede&lt;/a&gt;. I know hardly nothing about politics in SL besides the multiplicities of ministries; what would Sri Lankan voters think of a leader who eschews splendor and doesn&#039;t pander to jewels and educations?

This, I think, is a separate point from leadership styles:
&lt;i&gt;I agree that identity in the global age is amorphous and should be celebrated to break down the existing artificial boundaries of race, religion and ethnicity that attempt to define us. I also think that we should look for the common threads, those human flaws and emotions that allow us to identify with those around us.&lt;/i&gt;
though they do have the &quot;I am like you&quot; focus in common. I think this erosion of identity borders and celebration of what&#039;s good in the universals is happening, sometimes consciously, right now -- can&#039;t WAIT to see what happens with the expansion of communication  the One Laptop per Child project will spark off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sniggums , you mention that the<i>  &#8230; cleverness of the Obama campaign [is] also his commonness &#8211; the fact that he suffers from the same human flaws that every other American can identify with. &#8230; We as Sri Lankans can learn much from this.</i></p>
<p>Have you read any about &#8220;power distance&#8221; as a cultural descriptor? Check out <a href="http://www.clearlycultural.com/geert-hofstede-cultural-dimensions/" rel="nofollow">Geert Hofstede</a>. I know hardly nothing about politics in SL besides the multiplicities of ministries; what would Sri Lankan voters think of a leader who eschews splendor and doesn&#8217;t pander to jewels and educations?</p>
<p>This, I think, is a separate point from leadership styles:<br />
<i>I agree that identity in the global age is amorphous and should be celebrated to break down the existing artificial boundaries of race, religion and ethnicity that attempt to define us. I also think that we should look for the common threads, those human flaws and emotions that allow us to identify with those around us.</i><br />
though they do have the &#8220;I am like you&#8221; focus in common. I think this erosion of identity borders and celebration of what&#8217;s good in the universals is happening, sometimes consciously, right now &#8212; can&#8217;t WAIT to see what happens with the expansion of communication  the One Laptop per Child project will spark off.</p>
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		<title>By: sittingnut</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2007/02/obama-and-identity/comment-page-1/#comment-41577</link>
		<dc:creator>sittingnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correction to my comment
&quot;as joe klein said in time magazine ...&quot; should be read &quot;as obama said in response to joe klein article in time mag....&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correction to my comment<br />
&#8220;as joe klein said in time magazine &#8230;&#8221; should be read &#8220;as obama said in response to joe klein article in time mag&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sittingnut</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2007/02/obama-and-identity/comment-page-1/#comment-41484</link>
		<dc:creator>sittingnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;in the conservative Democratic primaries&quot;?
i thought the party primaries were more &#039;liberal&#039; than the country at large. but then if they dump him some ppl will need an excuse and &#039;conservative&#039; will fit right in.

btw restrictions on buying property and citizenship are not exclusive to certain not western countries. various types of restrictions are there in usa, eu, australia, japan etc.as well. ( difference is they do not call them that.) recent blocking of a port deal in us bc company was from dubai ( a country in some respects more liberal than many other places, though not so in others) is a good example. now where did obama stand on that ?

or in any issue remotely controversial and not popular with the democratic party base ? he does know how to sit on a fence and look good while doing so, but how long can he do that in a campaign?

then there is that latent racist guilt complex of certain type of &#039;caucasians&#039;. &quot;we are definitely not racist bc we watch oprah , think michael jordan cool, complain when shilpa shetty gets insulted in big brother , and consider voting for obama&quot;.  which btw though rather comical is &#039;good&#039;, and as  joe klein said in time magazine last year &#039;give people a shortcut to express their better instincts&#039;. whether the shortcut will go so far as to actually vote is another thing .

just to clear up, i don&#039;t think there is any serious racist feeling in vast majority of americans or other &#039;whites&#039;, any more than there is any racism here in vast majority of sri lankans. hype, propaganda, political correct statements, fudge, and speculations based on hype, do not matter. what does in the end are the facts. actual votes, actual discriminations, actual pogroms and riots if any, actual stereotyping statements like &#039;all whites/blacks/arabs/sinhalese/tamils  are stupid/violent/terrorist supporters/racists ready for a pogrom&quot;, etc.
 
on that basis all we can say at the moment about obama and his significance is that he appears to be a good smart politician who knows the tricks of the trade. he won the senate seat partly bc original republican candidate (who actually withdrew very late in the race) and democratic primary opponent were both hit by scandals ( deservedly ). whether he is a symbol of anything, is better be judged after the event if there is one. now it&#039;s just hype and fandom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;in the conservative Democratic primaries&#8221;?<br />
i thought the party primaries were more &#8216;liberal&#8217; than the country at large. but then if they dump him some ppl will need an excuse and &#8216;conservative&#8217; will fit right in.</p>
<p>btw restrictions on buying property and citizenship are not exclusive to certain not western countries. various types of restrictions are there in usa, eu, australia, japan etc.as well. ( difference is they do not call them that.) recent blocking of a port deal in us bc company was from dubai ( a country in some respects more liberal than many other places, though not so in others) is a good example. now where did obama stand on that ?</p>
<p>or in any issue remotely controversial and not popular with the democratic party base ? he does know how to sit on a fence and look good while doing so, but how long can he do that in a campaign?</p>
<p>then there is that latent racist guilt complex of certain type of &#8216;caucasians&#8217;. &#8220;we are definitely not racist bc we watch oprah , think michael jordan cool, complain when shilpa shetty gets insulted in big brother , and consider voting for obama&#8221;.  which btw though rather comical is &#8216;good&#8217;, and as  joe klein said in time magazine last year &#8216;give people a shortcut to express their better instincts&#8217;. whether the shortcut will go so far as to actually vote is another thing .</p>
<p>just to clear up, i don&#8217;t think there is any serious racist feeling in vast majority of americans or other &#8216;whites&#8217;, any more than there is any racism here in vast majority of sri lankans. hype, propaganda, political correct statements, fudge, and speculations based on hype, do not matter. what does in the end are the facts. actual votes, actual discriminations, actual pogroms and riots if any, actual stereotyping statements like &#8216;all whites/blacks/arabs/sinhalese/tamils  are stupid/violent/terrorist supporters/racists ready for a pogrom&#8221;, etc.</p>
<p>on that basis all we can say at the moment about obama and his significance is that he appears to be a good smart politician who knows the tricks of the trade. he won the senate seat partly bc original republican candidate (who actually withdrew very late in the race) and democratic primary opponent were both hit by scandals ( deservedly ). whether he is a symbol of anything, is better be judged after the event if there is one. now it&#8217;s just hype and fandom.</p>
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		<title>By: Jey</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2007/02/obama-and-identity/comment-page-1/#comment-41422</link>
		<dc:creator>Jey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s classic man Indi:

Like Sri Lankan&#039;s saying â€˜we are Sinhala Buddhists,...&quot;

Good post though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s classic man Indi:</p>
<p>Like Sri Lankan&#8217;s saying â€˜we are Sinhala Buddhists,&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Good post though.</p>
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		<title>By: horus</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2007/02/obama-and-identity/comment-page-1/#comment-41409</link>
		<dc:creator>horus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dude, excellent! at rnb checkin kottu. I don&#039;t fucking believe myself! anyway, thnk ths is ur best post yet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude, excellent! at rnb checkin kottu. I don&#8217;t fucking believe myself! anyway, thnk ths is ur best post yet!</p>
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		<title>By: sniggums</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2007/02/obama-and-identity/comment-page-1/#comment-41407</link>
		<dc:creator>sniggums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironically, the cleverness of the Obama campaign lies not just in the celebration of his ethnic hybrid but also his commonness- the fact that he suffers from the same human flaws that every other American can identify with. From quitting smoking, to struggling through high school, his focus lies in the imperfections of day to day living and lots of people can identify with this.  

We as Sri Lankans can learn much from this. I agree that identity in the global age is amorphous and should be celebrated to break down the existing artificial boundaries of race, religion and ethnicity that attempt to define us. I also think that we should look for the common threads, those human flaws and emotions that allow us to identify with those around us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironically, the cleverness of the Obama campaign lies not just in the celebration of his ethnic hybrid but also his commonness- the fact that he suffers from the same human flaws that every other American can identify with. From quitting smoking, to struggling through high school, his focus lies in the imperfections of day to day living and lots of people can identify with this.  </p>
<p>We as Sri Lankans can learn much from this. I agree that identity in the global age is amorphous and should be celebrated to break down the existing artificial boundaries of race, religion and ethnicity that attempt to define us. I also think that we should look for the common threads, those human flaws and emotions that allow us to identify with those around us.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sri Lanka: Obama and Identity</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2007/02/obama-and-identity/comment-page-1/#comment-41403</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sri Lanka: Obama and Identity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Indi.ca has a post on identity in politics, now at centre-stage because of Obama in the US. &#8220;Obama is in many ways like myself, a product of the modern age of communications and international travel. By a different shuffle he could be Kenyan, Indonesian or any number of things, but he ended up in Illinois. His sister married a Chinese/Canadian, making his identity that much broader. In many ways this seems un-American, one thinks an American is white and landed in the MidWest, but that is just the temporary view from what is actually a moving entity.&#8221;    Neha Viswanathan [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Indi.ca has a post on identity in politics, now at centre-stage because of Obama in the US. &#8220;Obama is in many ways like myself, a product of the modern age of communications and international travel. By a different shuffle he could be Kenyan, Indonesian or any number of things, but he ended up in Illinois. His sister married a Chinese/Canadian, making his identity that much broader. In many ways this seems un-American, one thinks an American is white and landed in the MidWest, but that is just the temporary view from what is actually a moving entity.&#8221;    Neha Viswanathan [...]</p>
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