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	<description>I'm a Sri Lankan American Canadian graduate trying to make something of myself in Colombo</description>
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		<title>By: maarten</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-40037</link>
		<dc:creator>maarten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to see you use that photo, in a complete different context, thus redefining it&#039;s meaning.</description>
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		<title>By: Aththa</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22178</link>
		<dc:creator>Aththa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 02:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does the LTTE sort out cheques asks Ravana.

What I was told in 2004 by a Sinhala businessman in Anuradhapura  who traded along the A9 at that time.

From Sinhala retailers in government controlled areas he takes cash, never cheques.  Can&#039;t trust them he says.  But one exception is Eelam Bank  (EB; could be Thamileelam Bank, I cannot recall precisely; but I have seen the branches with my own eyes) cheques.

If an EB cheque is dishonored he tells EB.  A cadre will travel in his vehicle to the source of the bad cheque.  Discussion will ensue between cadre and bad cheque writer.  The cadre will close the shop and give the wronged party the money.  The cadre will not get in the vehicle after this, but will make his own way back to base. 

The offending shop will remain closed until satisfactory arrangements are made with EB. 

BTW, there are EB branches in Vavuniya, a govt controlled area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does the LTTE sort out cheques asks Ravana.</p>
<p>What I was told in 2004 by a Sinhala businessman in Anuradhapura  who traded along the A9 at that time.</p>
<p>From Sinhala retailers in government controlled areas he takes cash, never cheques.  Can&#8217;t trust them he says.  But one exception is Eelam Bank  (EB; could be Thamileelam Bank, I cannot recall precisely; but I have seen the branches with my own eyes) cheques.</p>
<p>If an EB cheque is dishonored he tells EB.  A cadre will travel in his vehicle to the source of the bad cheque.  Discussion will ensue between cadre and bad cheque writer.  The cadre will close the shop and give the wronged party the money.  The cadre will not get in the vehicle after this, but will make his own way back to base. </p>
<p>The offending shop will remain closed until satisfactory arrangements are made with EB. </p>
<p>BTW, there are EB branches in Vavuniya, a govt controlled area.</p>
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		<title>By: aadhavan</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22149</link>
		<dc:creator>aadhavan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:) That&#039;s always been one of my (pipe) dreams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:) That&#8217;s always been one of my (pipe) dreams.</p>
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		<title>By: Sophist</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22134</link>
		<dc:creator>Sophist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because mate...you never really condemned them &#039;unequivocally&#039; previously. Just needed firm confirmation because if your feet show the dexterity of your words you should be playing on the wing.

I admit - the devil is not much of an option to the deep blue see - but we&#039;re trying to find a happy medium here.

HP - where do you find your weed? Obviously its very good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because mate&#8230;you never really condemned them &#8216;unequivocally&#8217; previously. Just needed firm confirmation because if your feet show the dexterity of your words you should be playing on the wing.</p>
<p>I admit &#8211; the devil is not much of an option to the deep blue see &#8211; but we&#8217;re trying to find a happy medium here.</p>
<p>HP &#8211; where do you find your weed? Obviously its very good.</p>
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		<title>By: aadhavan</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22133</link>
		<dc:creator>aadhavan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there is a devil and there is a deep blue sea and I don&#039;t think we should be stuck with only those two choices. I&#039;ve articulated a strategy I believe will get us out of this mess.  I&#039;ve always said that the killing of innocents is wrong. I have denouncd and will denounce any unnecessary spilling of civilian blood. When the LTTE  does it, shame on them. Whenthe government kills civilians, shame on them as well. I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any responsibility on me to convey my  disgust of LTTE atrocities any more than a Sinhalese is bound to condemn the government. We can acknowledge the facts and move on. When I meet a Sinhalese who agrees that the government has committed atrocities, I don&#039;t force him to condemn the government. It&#039;s pointless. I wonder why you are so keen to hear me condemn the LTTE. I&#039;ve acknowledged the shit. Let&#039;s move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is a devil and there is a deep blue sea and I don&#8217;t think we should be stuck with only those two choices. I&#8217;ve articulated a strategy I believe will get us out of this mess.  I&#8217;ve always said that the killing of innocents is wrong. I have denouncd and will denounce any unnecessary spilling of civilian blood. When the LTTE  does it, shame on them. Whenthe government kills civilians, shame on them as well. I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any responsibility on me to convey my  disgust of LTTE atrocities any more than a Sinhalese is bound to condemn the government. We can acknowledge the facts and move on. When I meet a Sinhalese who agrees that the government has committed atrocities, I don&#8217;t force him to condemn the government. It&#8217;s pointless. I wonder why you are so keen to hear me condemn the LTTE. I&#8217;ve acknowledged the shit. Let&#8217;s move on.</p>
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		<title>By: aadhavan</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22132</link>
		<dc:creator>aadhavan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was saying that subtle coercionwas being exerted on Tamils in the diaspora who don&#039;t give money. Your question related to extortion among diaspora no? Remember Priya in Toronto. You may not agree with what I&#039;m saying, but at least  read the post to figure out the context in which I&#039;m using words. Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was saying that subtle coercionwas being exerted on Tamils in the diaspora who don&#8217;t give money. Your question related to extortion among diaspora no? Remember Priya in Toronto. You may not agree with what I&#8217;m saying, but at least  read the post to figure out the context in which I&#8217;m using words. Please.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravana</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22129</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er... thanks. I think I&#039;ll buy a Rottweiler instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er&#8230; thanks. I think I&#8217;ll buy a Rottweiler instead.</p>
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		<title>By: David Blacker</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22127</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Early &#039;90s. Eelam War 2. Just remember that having a gun takes everything up a notch. Rape becomes murder. A punch up becomes a killing. So if you are going to carry, be ready to use and take the consequences, because if you don&#039;t it could be worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Early &#8217;90s. Eelam War 2. Just remember that having a gun takes everything up a notch. Rape becomes murder. A punch up becomes a killing. So if you are going to carry, be ready to use and take the consequences, because if you don&#8217;t it could be worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravana</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22124</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How long ago was this? JVP-era?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How long ago was this? JVP-era?</p>
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		<title>By: indi</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22123</link>
		<dc:creator>indi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, that&#039;s terrible</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, that&#8217;s terrible</p>
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		<title>By: Ravana</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22122</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, my god.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, my god.</p>
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		<title>By: David Blacker</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22121</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A revolverhead is a gun nut, or someone who thinks a gun compensates for other deficiencies. Sarge shot him twice in the head, killing him. Everyone with the victim was drunk and/or stoned, and the cops found drugs in their possession (probably grass). Cops were going to arrest them if they made a fuss about the shooting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A revolverhead is a gun nut, or someone who thinks a gun compensates for other deficiencies. Sarge shot him twice in the head, killing him. Everyone with the victim was drunk and/or stoned, and the cops found drugs in their possession (probably grass). Cops were going to arrest them if they made a fuss about the shooting.</p>
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		<title>By: Sophist</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22119</link>
		<dc:creator>Sophist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to agree with Ravana. &#039;Subtle coercion&#039; my hairy black ass. 

See Aadhavan - this is the problem. Despite not for a moment doubting your bona fides with regard to reaching a negotiated settlement, your stubborn refusal to acknowledge the atrocities of the LTTE is worrying. It is symptomatic of the majority of Tamils. It&#039;s as if they can&#039;t choose between the devil and the deep blue sea. Get pushed around physically and mentally by the LTTE or suffer the discriminatory practices of a non - representative government. 

Wouldn&#039;t the latter be greatly appeased if the former were denounced unequivocally?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to agree with Ravana. &#8216;Subtle coercion&#8217; my hairy black ass. </p>
<p>See Aadhavan &#8211; this is the problem. Despite not for a moment doubting your bona fides with regard to reaching a negotiated settlement, your stubborn refusal to acknowledge the atrocities of the LTTE is worrying. It is symptomatic of the majority of Tamils. It&#8217;s as if they can&#8217;t choose between the devil and the deep blue sea. Get pushed around physically and mentally by the LTTE or suffer the discriminatory practices of a non &#8211; representative government. </p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t the latter be greatly appeased if the former were denounced unequivocally?</p>
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		<title>By: Ravana</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22118</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aadhavan seems to think that although the LTTE engage in &quot;subtle coercion&quot; of their own community,  they use no physical violence against Tamils. This is absolutely untrue. 

The following is from a post is by The Benevolent Dictator on Indi&#039;s previous post. 

&quot;Aadhvan, the LTTE is no longer a freedom fighting outfit fighting for the rights of tamils. You have to be delusional to believe they care about anyone more than themselves. Please go on the A9 route to Jaffna and experience the mindboggling service you get from the LTTE cadres, the sheer arrogance of 13-15 year olds with guns who bully and intimidate the very people theyâ€™re supposed to fighting for. My aunt returned in a different van to which she went to Jaffna in due to an emergency. She was told to get down and wait for the next bus at 5 AM at the LTTE checkpoint just before Omanthai. An old gentleman who protested at this was slapped and was asked that since he only had a few more years to live, whether he wanted to speed his exit. Some bloody freedom fighters. The LTTE has morphed into a criminal organisation.&quot;

In case you missed it, The Benevolent Dictator is a Sri Lankan and a Tamil. &quot;Subtle coercion&quot;, my ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aadhavan seems to think that although the LTTE engage in &#8220;subtle coercion&#8221; of their own community,  they use no physical violence against Tamils. This is absolutely untrue. </p>
<p>The following is from a post is by The Benevolent Dictator on Indi&#8217;s previous post. </p>
<p>&#8220;Aadhvan, the LTTE is no longer a freedom fighting outfit fighting for the rights of tamils. You have to be delusional to believe they care about anyone more than themselves. Please go on the A9 route to Jaffna and experience the mindboggling service you get from the LTTE cadres, the sheer arrogance of 13-15 year olds with guns who bully and intimidate the very people theyâ€™re supposed to fighting for. My aunt returned in a different van to which she went to Jaffna in due to an emergency. She was told to get down and wait for the next bus at 5 AM at the LTTE checkpoint just before Omanthai. An old gentleman who protested at this was slapped and was asked that since he only had a few more years to live, whether he wanted to speed his exit. Some bloody freedom fighters. The LTTE has morphed into a criminal organisation.&#8221;</p>
<p>In case you missed it, The Benevolent Dictator is a Sri Lankan and a Tamil. &#8220;Subtle coercion&#8221;, my ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravana</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22117</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 05:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, that&#039;s a fantastic story. What&#039;s a revolverhead? Is it a part of the gun, or the guy that was brandishing it? If the latter, how badly did he hurt him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, that&#8217;s a fantastic story. What&#8217;s a revolverhead? Is it a part of the gun, or the guy that was brandishing it? If the latter, how badly did he hurt him?</p>
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		<title>By: Raquel</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22091</link>
		<dc:creator>Raquel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 00:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s true, no matter where you live, everyone is only looking out for themselves and any decisions  made are only for the benefit of that person. We are all ultimately selfish in that we only do what&#039;s in our own best interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true, no matter where you live, everyone is only looking out for themselves and any decisions  made are only for the benefit of that person. We are all ultimately selfish in that we only do what&#8217;s in our own best interest.</p>
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		<title>By: sittingnut</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22085</link>
		<dc:creator>sittingnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;nice&#039; little attempt at justification (or may be only rationalization ) of  ltte.

first, i for one cannot see how disproportionate and intentional killing of wrong ppl, mostly innocents can be rationalized as &#039;justice&#039; by anyone but the most blinkered. may be that is just me  ( even the godfather was proportionate he says after the quotation cited  to one of his underlings giving the job to carry out the &#039;justice&#039;,
&quot;i want reliable people; people that aren&#039;t gonna be carried away. i&#039;m mean, we&#039;re not murderers, despite of what this undertaker says.&quot; )

second, such rationalizations cut both ways. can you imagine what happens if some sinhaleses chauvinists try to mete out supposed &#039;justice&#039; (and as usually with with ltte to innocents)  under the perception that government does not. but ordinary sinhalese have learned it is not tamils but the ltte. a realization some ltte appeasers have yet to learn.

third, reality demonstrates this rationalization as false.
in reality vast majority of  ppl do operate within the system and are satisfied enough to work with in it. they do not go around taking law in to their own hand, killing ppl etc.. when a horrific crime happens it is front page news it is not routine.
in reality tamils do not live in constant fear of being lynched, as past 20 + years have shown sinhalese are not chauvinists ready at any moment to kill tamils (vast majority of ppl killed on those years in the south were sinhalese) in return for ltte horrors.( this is what ltte counts on when killing civilians or military. it hasn&#039;t worked nor will it work) . that assumption is wrong factually and morally.
it also ignore the reality that other minorities work within the system and they will continue to do so. so will tamils if given the chance. to accuse them of seeking ltte for &#039;justice&#039; is wrong. it is not different from janpathi&#039;s claim that tamils support terrorists. that assumption is also wrong factually and morally

it is however correct that ppl (not just tamils) live in fear. same fear that prevented tamils from voting, same fear that makes ppl hesitate when traveling to colombo. same fear that grips tamils when stopped at a necessary military checkpoint. fear created by terrorism.

sooner we get rid of the actual and very real cause of it the better (through negotiations or by force as the case and resources and circumstances allow ).
what we should not do is appease terrorism. or even justify or rationalize it. that kind of thing may help some ppl sleep better thinking that they are doing the right thing by appeasing it, but it does not help those who live in fear of it in the real world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;nice&#8217; little attempt at justification (or may be only rationalization ) of  ltte.</p>
<p>first, i for one cannot see how disproportionate and intentional killing of wrong ppl, mostly innocents can be rationalized as &#8216;justice&#8217; by anyone but the most blinkered. may be that is just me  ( even the godfather was proportionate he says after the quotation cited  to one of his underlings giving the job to carry out the &#8216;justice&#8217;,<br />
&#8220;i want reliable people; people that aren&#8217;t gonna be carried away. i&#8217;m mean, we&#8217;re not murderers, despite of what this undertaker says.&#8221; )</p>
<p>second, such rationalizations cut both ways. can you imagine what happens if some sinhaleses chauvinists try to mete out supposed &#8216;justice&#8217; (and as usually with with ltte to innocents)  under the perception that government does not. but ordinary sinhalese have learned it is not tamils but the ltte. a realization some ltte appeasers have yet to learn.</p>
<p>third, reality demonstrates this rationalization as false.<br />
in reality vast majority of  ppl do operate within the system and are satisfied enough to work with in it. they do not go around taking law in to their own hand, killing ppl etc.. when a horrific crime happens it is front page news it is not routine.<br />
in reality tamils do not live in constant fear of being lynched, as past 20 + years have shown sinhalese are not chauvinists ready at any moment to kill tamils (vast majority of ppl killed on those years in the south were sinhalese) in return for ltte horrors.( this is what ltte counts on when killing civilians or military. it hasn&#8217;t worked nor will it work) . that assumption is wrong factually and morally.<br />
it also ignore the reality that other minorities work within the system and they will continue to do so. so will tamils if given the chance. to accuse them of seeking ltte for &#8216;justice&#8217; is wrong. it is not different from janpathi&#8217;s claim that tamils support terrorists. that assumption is also wrong factually and morally</p>
<p>it is however correct that ppl (not just tamils) live in fear. same fear that prevented tamils from voting, same fear that makes ppl hesitate when traveling to colombo. same fear that grips tamils when stopped at a necessary military checkpoint. fear created by terrorism.</p>
<p>sooner we get rid of the actual and very real cause of it the better (through negotiations or by force as the case and resources and circumstances allow ).<br />
what we should not do is appease terrorism. or even justify or rationalize it. that kind of thing may help some ppl sleep better thinking that they are doing the right thing by appeasing it, but it does not help those who live in fear of it in the real world.</p>
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		<title>By: David Blacker</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22083</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another gun story (not trying to prove a point or anything, but just to mention that owning and using are two different things): 

I was back from the NE and at the regimental base, waiting for my medical leave to come through. Guy in my battalion got back from Colombo and told us a story. He was a senior sergeant at the time, had just completed an extended tour with SF, and was now on the CO&#039;s bodyguard, so he was allowed to carry a pistol at all times. Said he was in the White Horse (the old one, on Chatham Street), having a drink on a Friday. There were a bunch of twenty-somethings in a cubicle (six or seven, men and women), being noisy. One of the guys pulls out some sort of little revolver and starts showing it around and trying to impress the chicks. Sarge has been well into the Mendis and pulls, walks over, and shoots revolverhead. Cops and MPs pile in, but sarge says the victim was waving a gun around and he thought he was going to shoot. Bartender backs him up. They let him go, don&#039;t even confiscate the pistol. Bar manager gives him a bottle of JW Black and tells him never to come back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another gun story (not trying to prove a point or anything, but just to mention that owning and using are two different things): </p>
<p>I was back from the NE and at the regimental base, waiting for my medical leave to come through. Guy in my battalion got back from Colombo and told us a story. He was a senior sergeant at the time, had just completed an extended tour with SF, and was now on the CO&#8217;s bodyguard, so he was allowed to carry a pistol at all times. Said he was in the White Horse (the old one, on Chatham Street), having a drink on a Friday. There were a bunch of twenty-somethings in a cubicle (six or seven, men and women), being noisy. One of the guys pulls out some sort of little revolver and starts showing it around and trying to impress the chicks. Sarge has been well into the Mendis and pulls, walks over, and shoots revolverhead. Cops and MPs pile in, but sarge says the victim was waving a gun around and he thought he was going to shoot. Bartender backs him up. They let him go, don&#8217;t even confiscate the pistol. Bar manager gives him a bottle of JW Black and tells him never to come back.</p>
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		<title>By: SpectralCentroid</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22081</link>
		<dc:creator>SpectralCentroid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a horrible story on Ravana&#039;s colleague. However its sad to note that realistically, even if one owned a gun, half the time it won&#039;t be useful for actual defence or for preventing the original offence from happening unless they carry it around ALL the time. For instance this collegue; its highly possible that even if he owned a gun, he wouldn&#039;t have it strapped on when he&#039;s out washing the car. The other sad reality is that its almost impossible to have complete security regardless of what country you are in, who governs you or how efficient the law enforcement is.

Vices of a community will eat up its members whether they like it or not, as long as they choose/are forced to be part of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a horrible story on Ravana&#8217;s colleague. However its sad to note that realistically, even if one owned a gun, half the time it won&#8217;t be useful for actual defence or for preventing the original offence from happening unless they carry it around ALL the time. For instance this collegue; its highly possible that even if he owned a gun, he wouldn&#8217;t have it strapped on when he&#8217;s out washing the car. The other sad reality is that its almost impossible to have complete security regardless of what country you are in, who governs you or how efficient the law enforcement is.</p>
<p>Vices of a community will eat up its members whether they like it or not, as long as they choose/are forced to be part of it.</p>
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		<title>By: aadhavan</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22079</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya, I&#039;ve read that report and the subsequent statement issued by Human Rights Watch where they watered down some of the claims they made in the initial report. In the instant case of Priya, I fail to see anything blatantly illegal about the requests for money. No threats, no force. However, I know the LTTE do resort to what you would call extortion, thugh not overseas. My own family members (grandparents) went through immense difficulty, far greater than Priya, because they refused to pay the LTTE&#039;s taxes. I asked my relatives overseas about this Human Rights Watch Report. Some of them actively contribute to the LTTE, some grudgingly contribute to avoid the nuisance of having people pester you to give money and others flatly refuse. All of them said that those who don&#039;t give are visited often and reminded of their &#039;obligations&#039;. All of them said that they hadn&#039;t heard of threats of violence or force used to extort money. So there is subtle coercion going on. That&#039;s for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya, I&#8217;ve read that report and the subsequent statement issued by Human Rights Watch where they watered down some of the claims they made in the initial report. In the instant case of Priya, I fail to see anything blatantly illegal about the requests for money. No threats, no force. However, I know the LTTE do resort to what you would call extortion, thugh not overseas. My own family members (grandparents) went through immense difficulty, far greater than Priya, because they refused to pay the LTTE&#8217;s taxes. I asked my relatives overseas about this Human Rights Watch Report. Some of them actively contribute to the LTTE, some grudgingly contribute to avoid the nuisance of having people pester you to give money and others flatly refuse. All of them said that those who don&#8217;t give are visited often and reminded of their &#8216;obligations&#8217;. All of them said that they hadn&#8217;t heard of threats of violence or force used to extort money. So there is subtle coercion going on. That&#8217;s for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Sophist</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22074</link>
		<dc:creator>Sophist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rationalise that one Aadhavan. How does the Tamil community respond unofficially to this sort of extortion? Is Priya in the minority...or is Priya a majority?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rationalise that one Aadhavan. How does the Tamil community respond unofficially to this sort of extortion? Is Priya in the minority&#8230;or is Priya a majority?</p>
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		<title>By: Ravana</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22068</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...but on an individual level the LTTE do deliver results. People do honor their checks and if Tamils are attacked (by someone else) the LTTE can respond.&quot;

I was unaware that the LTTE sort out cheques, and they will respond to the grievance of even an individual Tamil. Are you sure about this, or were you being metaphorical?

The LTTE is like the Mafia in the fact that it relies on Italian civilians for it&#039;s own protection the way that the LTTE do. However, unlike the Mafia, they don&#039;t end up getting their own people killed as result of this action. 

And, just like the Mafia&#039;s protection money racket, they extort money from their own people, and terrorize them. Here is a very Mafia-story-like account from the Human Rights Watch&#039;s report which was published recently (which subsequently led to the EU ban).  

Full report avalaible at:
http://hrw.org/reports/2006/ltte0306/ltte0306web.pdf


PRIYA&#039;S STORY.
Priya (not her real name) left Sri Lanka in the early 1990s and now lives in the Toronto area. In mid-2005, she made her first visit back to Sri Lanka in more than ten years, traveling by road from Colombo to visit a parent and siblings in the North. She told Human Rights Watch:

At the checkpoint, they told me that each family had to get a pass and pay 1,000 rupees. I was told that was the rule. Then once you get to [town], within three days you have to go to the LTTE office and give all your details there. I paid the 1,000 rupees and gave my name and passport number.

On the second day, I went to the [LTTE] office. They asked how long I had been living abroad and if I had contributed any money while abroad. I said I hadnâ€™t. I told them I was living on welfare and had children. I said it was very difficult, so I didnâ€™t give money. 

The LTTE told me, â€œWhen you go back, you should give money. You should help our struggle. It is your obligation to help us.â€ I agreed that when I got back I would give money month to month. I felt I had to agree, because I was in their territory. I was afraid that if I refused, they would demand the money then. They asked for $50 per month. I said I couldnâ€™t afford $50, but would pay $30. They finally agreed on $40 a month and said I should pay it to the World Tamil Movement.

They asked me to fill out a form and sign it. It included my home address, name, and the amount I had agreed to pay. When I was there [at the office], for most people, they were demanding money right then, but in my case, they said paying later would be okay. Maybe it was the way I was talking to them.103

Priya said that at the time, she felt she had little choice but to report to the LTTE office and sign the pledge. â€œIf I didnâ€™t go to the office, they would have come to look for me. At the checkpoint they asked me where I would stay. If I had argued with them and refused to give the money, I might have had problems.â€ 

After signing the pledge, the LTTE office put a seal on the pass she had received at the border checkpoint and instructed her to present it when she left LTTE-controlled territory to return to Colombo. 

After returning to Toronto, Priya said that representatives from the World Tamil Movement started calling her within a week. â€œThey left three or four messages, but I didnâ€™t pick up the phone. If my children answered, they told them I was at work.â€ 

Shortly afterward, a man came to Priyaâ€™s home. Priya said, â€œHe had all the information, including my passport number. He said, â€˜Iâ€™m from the World Tamil Movement. You said in Sri Lanka that you would give money. I am here to collect it.â€™ He had a printout and I could see other peoplesâ€™ names. It had my name and childrenâ€™s names, my passport number, and my address.â€ 

Priya told the man that she had managed to make the trip to Sri Lanka by taking out a loan, and that she could not afford to pay any more. â€œHe said, â€˜People who only make $6 or $7 an hour are giving, so you have to give the money.â€™ I tried to argue with him and ask him to come back after a few months. I told him I couldnâ€™t afford it. He said, â€˜All these people who are much worse off than you are giving, so you have to give.â€™â€ 

Eventually, Priya agreed to pay the amount she had pledged. When she spoke to Human Rights Watch several months later, she indicated that she was thinking of stopping the payments, but was afraid that if she stopped paying, â€œthey would probably come and harass me, and come and constantly knock on my door.â€ She was also concerned that if she did not keep up the payments, she would not be able to return again to Sri Lanka to see her family. â€œIf I donâ€™t pay the money, next time I go, they will demand the entire [accumulated] amount. I canâ€™t afford to pay that much.â€ 

When speaking to Human Rights Watch, Priya became visibly upset. She indicated that one of the reasons why she did not want to give money to the LTTE was because of their practice of recruiting children as soldiers.

My brotherâ€™s children are in the Vanni. The LTTE is collecting money here and using the money to train children to fight and die with the [Tiger] army. The people who collect the money here are living a very good life and drive a nice car. They donâ€™t seem to care that it is the children there who are forced to fight and die. My children are here. I will never let them join or fight or die. Nor would any other Tamils in Canada let their children fight and die. But there are children there who are being used as fighters. How can they accept that? I worry about my nephews and nieces.104&quot;

Priyaâ€™s experience is not unique.

Full report avalaible at:
http://hrw.org/reports/2006/ltte0306/ltte0306web.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;but on an individual level the LTTE do deliver results. People do honor their checks and if Tamils are attacked (by someone else) the LTTE can respond.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was unaware that the LTTE sort out cheques, and they will respond to the grievance of even an individual Tamil. Are you sure about this, or were you being metaphorical?</p>
<p>The LTTE is like the Mafia in the fact that it relies on Italian civilians for it&#8217;s own protection the way that the LTTE do. However, unlike the Mafia, they don&#8217;t end up getting their own people killed as result of this action. </p>
<p>And, just like the Mafia&#8217;s protection money racket, they extort money from their own people, and terrorize them. Here is a very Mafia-story-like account from the Human Rights Watch&#8217;s report which was published recently (which subsequently led to the EU ban).  </p>
<p>Full report avalaible at:<br />
<a href="http://hrw.org/reports/2006/ltte0306/ltte0306web.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://hrw.org/reports/2006/ltte0306/ltte0306web.pdf</a></p>
<p>PRIYA&#8217;S STORY.<br />
Priya (not her real name) left Sri Lanka in the early 1990s and now lives in the Toronto area. In mid-2005, she made her first visit back to Sri Lanka in more than ten years, traveling by road from Colombo to visit a parent and siblings in the North. She told Human Rights Watch:</p>
<p>At the checkpoint, they told me that each family had to get a pass and pay 1,000 rupees. I was told that was the rule. Then once you get to [town], within three days you have to go to the LTTE office and give all your details there. I paid the 1,000 rupees and gave my name and passport number.</p>
<p>On the second day, I went to the [LTTE] office. They asked how long I had been living abroad and if I had contributed any money while abroad. I said I hadnâ€™t. I told them I was living on welfare and had children. I said it was very difficult, so I didnâ€™t give money. </p>
<p>The LTTE told me, â€œWhen you go back, you should give money. You should help our struggle. It is your obligation to help us.â€ I agreed that when I got back I would give money month to month. I felt I had to agree, because I was in their territory. I was afraid that if I refused, they would demand the money then. They asked for $50 per month. I said I couldnâ€™t afford $50, but would pay $30. They finally agreed on $40 a month and said I should pay it to the World Tamil Movement.</p>
<p>They asked me to fill out a form and sign it. It included my home address, name, and the amount I had agreed to pay. When I was there [at the office], for most people, they were demanding money right then, but in my case, they said paying later would be okay. Maybe it was the way I was talking to them.103</p>
<p>Priya said that at the time, she felt she had little choice but to report to the LTTE office and sign the pledge. â€œIf I didnâ€™t go to the office, they would have come to look for me. At the checkpoint they asked me where I would stay. If I had argued with them and refused to give the money, I might have had problems.â€ </p>
<p>After signing the pledge, the LTTE office put a seal on the pass she had received at the border checkpoint and instructed her to present it when she left LTTE-controlled territory to return to Colombo. </p>
<p>After returning to Toronto, Priya said that representatives from the World Tamil Movement started calling her within a week. â€œThey left three or four messages, but I didnâ€™t pick up the phone. If my children answered, they told them I was at work.â€ </p>
<p>Shortly afterward, a man came to Priyaâ€™s home. Priya said, â€œHe had all the information, including my passport number. He said, â€˜Iâ€™m from the World Tamil Movement. You said in Sri Lanka that you would give money. I am here to collect it.â€™ He had a printout and I could see other peoplesâ€™ names. It had my name and childrenâ€™s names, my passport number, and my address.â€ </p>
<p>Priya told the man that she had managed to make the trip to Sri Lanka by taking out a loan, and that she could not afford to pay any more. â€œHe said, â€˜People who only make $6 or $7 an hour are giving, so you have to give the money.â€™ I tried to argue with him and ask him to come back after a few months. I told him I couldnâ€™t afford it. He said, â€˜All these people who are much worse off than you are giving, so you have to give.â€™â€ </p>
<p>Eventually, Priya agreed to pay the amount she had pledged. When she spoke to Human Rights Watch several months later, she indicated that she was thinking of stopping the payments, but was afraid that if she stopped paying, â€œthey would probably come and harass me, and come and constantly knock on my door.â€ She was also concerned that if she did not keep up the payments, she would not be able to return again to Sri Lanka to see her family. â€œIf I donâ€™t pay the money, next time I go, they will demand the entire [accumulated] amount. I canâ€™t afford to pay that much.â€ </p>
<p>When speaking to Human Rights Watch, Priya became visibly upset. She indicated that one of the reasons why she did not want to give money to the LTTE was because of their practice of recruiting children as soldiers.</p>
<p>My brotherâ€™s children are in the Vanni. The LTTE is collecting money here and using the money to train children to fight and die with the [Tiger] army. The people who collect the money here are living a very good life and drive a nice car. They donâ€™t seem to care that it is the children there who are forced to fight and die. My children are here. I will never let them join or fight or die. Nor would any other Tamils in Canada let their children fight and die. But there are children there who are being used as fighters. How can they accept that? I worry about my nephews and nieces.104&#8243;</p>
<p>Priyaâ€™s experience is not unique.</p>
<p>Full report avalaible at:<br />
<a href="http://hrw.org/reports/2006/ltte0306/ltte0306web.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://hrw.org/reports/2006/ltte0306/ltte0306web.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nidahas &#187; General Killed</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22067</link>
		<dc:creator>Nidahas &#187; General Killed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Indi has a brilliant post that sums up the situation in this country (and elsewhere) really well:  Until Tamil individuals can obtain real security, the LTTE fills a necessary void. Same as the Mafia did for ethnic Italians, or Hamas does for Palestinians, or warlords in Somalia. If you call them they get stuff done. Unfortunately everyone calls them and all of a sudden you get all kinds of horrible stuff done with no how or why. Plus they&#8217;re run by bloodthirsty and corrupt assholes with their own agenda. However, in your moment of individual pain, nobody cares. That&#8217;s the tragedy of the commons. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Indi has a brilliant post that sums up the situation in this country (and elsewhere) really well:  Until Tamil individuals can obtain real security, the LTTE fills a necessary void. Same as the Mafia did for ethnic Italians, or Hamas does for Palestinians, or warlords in Somalia. If you call them they get stuff done. Unfortunately everyone calls them and all of a sudden you get all kinds of horrible stuff done with no how or why. Plus they&#8217;re run by bloodthirsty and corrupt assholes with their own agenda. However, in your moment of individual pain, nobody cares. That&#8217;s the tragedy of the commons. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22062</link>
		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flag gun.... 

I believe Mi6 will be around soon enough... your ability to hide your identity is amazing...

BTW are you in SL or Aussie?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flag gun&#8230;. </p>
<p>I believe Mi6 will be around soon enough&#8230; your ability to hide your identity is amazing&#8230;</p>
<p>BTW are you in SL or Aussie?</p>
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		<title>By: Nige</title>
		<link>http://indi.ca/2006/06/common-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-22061</link>
		<dc:creator>Nige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it is time for us to take action into our own hands. Get a gun and blow all these fools away. There is absolutely no law or protection despite the amount of taxes we pay to the government, the police are there only to irritate and be a pain in the arse. And with the reinactment of the State regulated media law god knows how many crimes commited by ministers and their sons will be swept under the carpet, away from public eyes. So yeah lets get a gun and go on a community cleansing spree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it is time for us to take action into our own hands. Get a gun and blow all these fools away. There is absolutely no law or protection despite the amount of taxes we pay to the government, the police are there only to irritate and be a pain in the arse. And with the reinactment of the State regulated media law god knows how many crimes commited by ministers and their sons will be swept under the carpet, away from public eyes. So yeah lets get a gun and go on a community cleansing spree.</p>
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