War and Peace
a red noose around Sri Lanka’s neck
Mahinda Rajapaksa is calling for abandoning the current cease-fire and peace process. The opposite of cease-fire is, uh, fire and that’s where he and his extremist JVP/JHU allies are leading us. Ranil Wickremesinghe, on the other hand, negotiated the current cease fire and can carry the peace process forward. When you have a tiger by the tail you should be very careful before you make any sudden moves. When you’ve got the racist JVP and JHU pulling your red scarf in the opposite direction, it’s a recipe for disaster.
Ranil got the LTTE to agree to a solution within a united Sri Lanka, which was truly remarkable. Mahinda says that the cease-fire ‘complicated the problems’ but he should tell that the people on the ground. The banks aren’t exploding, there aren’t check points and people can almost go about their lives. Mahinda calls for abandoning peace and starting the peace process from scratch. I see no reason why Sri Lankans should abandon a peace supported by CBK, the SLFP and the international community. I see no reason to elect Mahinda, and every reason to elect Ranil.
Mahinda’s (Tunnel) Vision
First off, Mahinda has accomplished absolutely nothing in 37 years of public service, besides enriching himself and throwing some nice parties. His biography is similar to that of George W. Bush – wealthy political family, mastery of ‘looking’ common (be it cowboy hat or national dress), and a history of doing nothing real. This is what his online biography says:
Mahinda proved to be a remarkably successful Minister of Labour, despite suffering a major setback in being unable to bring his brainchild, the Worker’s Charter, into law… He also created the Vocational Training Authority to recognize the rising need of unemployed youth. He was equally dynamic Minister of Fisheries, initiating several important programmes such as housing programme for fishermen to improve the lives and livelihood of fisher-folk, and also strengthen the industrial base of the fisheries industry. Inland fisheries too, benefited from these reforms, with the national harvest almost doubling between 1994 and 2001. Infact he initiated the first ever University for Oceanography known as Sagara Vishwavidyalaya. Establishing a Coastal Guard Unit, a much needed security system for an Island nation was one of his remarkable steps taken as the Minister of Fisheries. In addition to the Portfolio of Fisheries, he also held the Portfolio of the Ports and Shipping for a short period of three months. Within this period he started and gazetted the much needed construction of Hambantota Harbour.
I’ll go into detail later, but for starters there is no Sri Lankan Coast guard, and there is no Hambantota Harbour. All Mahinda has done is gone to some ribbon cuttings and smiled for the photo-ops, cause that’s all he’s good at. He has no real accomplishments besides grinning and looking pretty. Which is to say, Mahinda Rajapaksa isn’t qualified to move the current peace process forward, let alone scrap the whole thing and start all over. Mahinda has never shown any interest in policy or real accomplishments, and he’s unlikely to start. He’ll show up for the photo-ops, but the real policy will be defined by the extremist JVP and JHU (mainly the former). Seeing as the JVP has called for simultaneously disbanding the army and abandoning the cease-fire, that’s a high road to a losing war.
So, as to Mahinda’ Vision, he has none besides his own reflection and he has neither the experience, skill nor independence to lead this country to peace.
Mahinda’s Way (Backwards)
Even though he calls for abrogating the painfully worked out consensus between the UNP and the UPFA on the ethnic problem and the agreement arrived at between the Government and the LTTE and the Oslo and Tokyo declaration. This process has guaranteed the unity, democratic character and territorial Integrity of Sri Lanka and created the framework of a solution acceptable to all communities of the country – and Mahinda will throw it away in exchange for… nothing. His Chintana calls for 3 months of talks between Members of Parliament, religious leaders and Tamil/Muslim representatives. *Mahinda wants to throw away 3 years of peace so he can have some meetings and photo-ops*. There is no alternative solution presented, we’re just expected to trust Mahinda to deliver peace like he delivered the Coast Guard and Hambantota Harbour.
Most audaciously, Mahinda says
In the course of the consultative process, I shall initiate direct talks with the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam. I also intend to meet their leader and other representatives for such discussions. At such talks, I shall present the concession reached to the LTTE
Mahinda thinks that the LTTE will simply accept whatever the JVP and JHU serve up and sign on the dotted line. What he displays is a sheer level of naivete and incompetence bred by a lack of real experience. That sort of immaturity leaves Sri Lanka wide-open to war. The LTTE has no reason to give up a negotiated solution for a unilateral decision, especially one largely drafted by the chauvanist JVP. Strategically, they would never agree and the only option would be war against the incompetent government that would propose such a thing. Ranil’s peace negotiations involved hard compromises and agreements – which Mahinda would throw away. He thinks that he can let go of the tiger’s tail and go for a better grip, but with his fumbling inexperience Sri Lanka will get nothing but bitten.
If you read his manifesto, it’s a bunch of hot air and empty words. What we have in hand is 3 years of cease-fire and a working (if neglected) peace-process. Mahinda wants to trade that for platitudes.
Ranil’s Real Alternative
Whereas Mahinda has accomplished nothing in his term as Prime Minister, Ranil Wickremesinghe negotiated the Peace Process which has held for 3 years, allowed Sri Lanka’s economy to grow, and allowed people to live and walk the streets without fear of terrorist attack or check points. Because the peace process has been wholly neglected by the current PM (Mahinda) and the UPFA the situation is still bad for people in the North, and the East is especially unstable. Rather than scrapping the gains we have made, a government under Ranil would build on the current peace process – which has broad UPFA and international support – and bring it to completion. That being a solution acceptable to all communities within the framework of a united Sri Lanka, as in the text of the Indo-Lanka accord. Ranil would resume the peace process which was so well drafted and managed that it has held even under the pressures of UPFA apathy and JVP extremism.
Rather than starting from scratch Ranil would:
# Recommence the Peace Process, under the cease-fire upheld by the Supreme Court
# Strengthen the Cease-Fire by restructuring the Monitoring Mission and strengthening the police to give them the tools to deal with the degenerating law and order in the North and East
# Stop the killings, like that of Lackshman Kadirgamar. The current government has invited these deaths by neglecting the peace for so long.
# Ensuring that peace dividends flow to the North and East by allowing humanitarian assistance to flow there through mechanisms like P-TOMS and a dedicated ministry for displaced persons.
# read more in Ranil’s People’s Agenda.
Furthermore, unlike the JVPs calls for disbanding the army, Ranil would modernize and strengthen it as well as retaining the international support that chokes the LTTE’s access to funds and arms. Because of his work and the courageous work of Lackshman Kadirgamar, among others, the LTTE is an international pariah. This, along with support of the army, strengthens the security of a united Sri Lanka. The JVP, however, hangs around Mahinda’s neck as a chauvinist/communist party with a history of terrorism. Their rhetoric and racism will make Prabhakaran look good, making Sri Lanka weaker in peace and ever weaker at war. Ranil has dragged Sri Lanka to the international high-ground and we should stay there. Whether for war or peace, it’s easier to fight downhill.
The way forward for Sri Lanka is to stick to the cease-fire, elect someone competent and finish the peace process that Ranil began in 2001. Ranil was carrying it forward until CBK staged her legal coup, stopping the peace process in its tracks. Now Mahinda and the JVP want to kill it entirely. They would trade a tiger in the hand for two in the bush. Mahinda invites war through platitudes and extremist alliances. Ranil can bring peace through experience and intra-party and international cooperation. What we need is a real and solid peace – not an empty photo-op. That’s why I’m voting for Ranil.
“Furthermore, unlike the JVPs calls for disbanding the army, Ranil would modernize and strengthen it ” you are kidding right? You might want to look up the Athurugiriya debacle under Ranils tenure, our single most effective military unit against the LTTE taken out by his administration (with possible collusion of his interior minister at the time). I’m no fan of the JVP or Mahinda but I’m no fan of Ranil either.
In terms of Ranil implementing the ceasefire lets not forget the LTTE has already declared a unilateral ceasefire, which Ranil simply reciprocated. His agreement was also fundamentally flawed in that it gave much too much leeway to the LTTE without asking for anything in return. e.g. the LTTE has access to all of SL for ‘political’ purposes while that same privilege is not extended to LTTE held areas.
Mahinda may be a jackass, but so is Ranil…lets have a third candidate, maybe Janaka Perera
Third parties are not a realistic option. The choice is either Ranil or Mahinda.
Ranil has negotiated a cease-fire, while Mahinda has nothing. He’s an empty suit surrounded by very scary friends. Ranil has ideas, competence, and experience in developing Sri Lanka. In ten years Sri Lanka will be a very different place depending on who is elected. This is not a choice between equal jack-asses. The choice is between moving Sri Lanka forward – with the peace process among other things – or moving back to pre-ceasefire and Srimavo-era socialism.
There is a very stark choice and writing both candidates off or voting for a 3rd party isn’t a realistic option. Either Mahinda or Ranil will be President. The question is who you’re with.
as for so called athurugiriya debacle, that and the killings of intelligence operatives have nothing in common. ‘our single most effective military unit against the ltte’ was not ‘taken out’.
in fact it’s good that all the warmongers and most of the socialists are in one camp united, because once they get defeated, which is almost certain the way things are going, such rhetoric will be confined to the real no hope extremists in the future and will not be espoused by any serious candidate like mahinda. it will also give ranil a lot freedom when negotiating peace with ltte.
btw your comparison of mahinda with bush is inaccurate, bush really did have some ‘real’ achievements as governor of texas. he also has the courage to act on his convictions, mahinda doesn’t have any convictions beyond some vague leftist notions.
still think the Bush comparison is accurate, Mahinda has ‘real’ achievements as Prime Minister, though he’s actually done nothing. True that he doesn’t have convictions beyond his dress code.
LMFAO.
“Mahinda Rajapaksa is calling for abandoning the current cease-fire and peace process”
Please let us know when and where? To my knowledge he has called for a revision only. Lot of parties, including men who lead the security forces have requested for this and I don’t see anything wrong with that. The CFA enforced currently was prepared not with the common agreement of all stakeholders and please remind yourself that Ranil’s CFA had been a secret document till it was signed.
“Ranil got the LTTE to agree to a solution within a united Sri Lanka, which was truly remarkable.”
Can you tell us when did LTTE agree to a unitary solution, please? LTTE leadership has categorically denied this claim by UNP not once but many time ( pls go through the LTTE peace secretariat site and Tamilnet) .
Are you aware of the conditions( which includes the condition that GOSL should accept North and East provinces are the traditional homeland of Tamils) under which LTTE agreed to a federal solution (I’m talking about so called Oslo agreement).
“The banks aren’t exploding, there aren’t check points and people can almost go about their lives.”
“The banks aren’t exploding” situation is not an achievement of Ranil. LTTE will never hit a public place to kill civilians not because they have realized it an unethical practice but to avoid international isolation. and here we are reaping the results of relaxation of the security measures. 64 ppl working for the army intelligence have been gunned down, some hundreds of ppl working for political groups who oppose LTTE have been gunned down…you can get the full list of attacked from SL army web site
“Whereas Mahinda has accomplished nothing in his term as Prime Minister, Ranil Wickremesinghe negotiated the Peace Process which has held for 3 years,”
LTTE had started observing a cease-fries agreement of their own even before Ranil became PM ( again check Tamil Net on this). This was mainly due the unfavorable conditions prevailing in international arena. Late Kadiragarmer had managed to convince the international community that LTTE is nothing but a group of terrorists and the international community’s stance on terrorism after the 9/11 incident was not in favors of LTTE. They had to sit down for talks…so they did. Ranil rescued them from this position and lifted them to the international stage. It’s like destroying or betraying the results achieved through some shear hard work on the diplomatic front by late Kadiragarmer
“Furthermore, unlike the JVPs calls for disbanding the army…”
Come on indi…I listened to that speech by Somawansa. He didn’t say anything like that…you are just repeating what UNP propagandists say…
Please don’t misunderstand…I’m not a fan of Mahinda.. I’m no fan of Ranil either…we know you have every right to post whatever you think since this is your blog…I enjoy what you write about other topics but your political commentaries shows nothing but your ignorance of the recent past of our country. I don’t blame for you that. It was only a few months ago you came here, I suppose.
Yeah, fresh off the boat. I’ve been here for a year, but feel free to attack me personally if it spares you some mental labor. Wetback, WOP and paraya are also useful insults for immigrants. I personally think wetback is the most illustrative, but paraya would be the most relevant here. You did have some actual points and I’ll address them.
May 2002: Opposition leader Mahinda Rajapakse attacks the ceasefire describing it as “one-sided†and favourable to the LTTE and vows to step up the campaign against it (see timeline below)
Chintana: ‘The cease-fire agreement entered into the by the UNF government with much haste and in a short-sighted manner without consultations further complicated the problem… if this unfortunate process continues’ … yadda yadda.
‘It is my intention to critically examine the merits and demerits of the steps taken so far to deal with this problem and take a fresh approach
Mahinda explictly thinks the current peace process is the wrong direction for the country to take. I don’t think it’s a dramatic interpretation to conclude that Mahinda would discontinue the cease-fire and take a ‘fresh’ approach. One most likely involving fresh blood. If you’d like to mainline the bullshit surrounding his words that’s your right as an all knowing son of the soil. The fate of the cease-fire is pretty clear.
Mmmmm, cease fries. No one is responsible for history, but some people reach milestones. Everyone stands on the shoulders of giants, but what matters is that Ranil inked and signed the cease-fire agreement. As they say in advertising, it’s not a sale until the money’s in the bank. Ranil consolidated the hard work of everyone involved, including CBK, and got it done.
What real solution do you stand for, or are you waiting for the next Bodhisattva before you deign to cast your vote? The country can go in two dramatically different directions and voters have to bite the bullet and choose.
16-18 September, 2002. Thailand talks.
“our demand for a homeland is not a demand for a separate stateâ€.
27 November 2002
Note: I never said ‘unitary’. That and ‘united’ aren’t exactly interchangeable, as Aththa points out below
I’m sure you have direct knowledge of the LTTE’s mindset, however the LTTE was bombing civilian targets like the, er, airport until 2001. After the Cease-Fire in 2002 those bombing stops, flights resumed, ports opened, the A9 opened, etc.
since I’m ignorant, let’s run through some an International Institute for Strategic Studies timeline (Omigod, they’re based in London! Paraya, paraya! ):
* Feb 2002 : Ranil signs cease-fire agreement
* March 2002: Monitoring Mission arrives
** Decommissioning of arms begins
** Ranil visits Jaffna, first visit by a PM in 20+ years
** Government opens 2 ports in Jaffna for intl shipping
* April 2002: Govt lifts 6 year bans on domestic flights to Jaffna
** Govt opens Kandy-Jaffna road after 12 years
* May 2002: First face-to-face talks between GOSL and LTTE in 7 years
* September 2002: LTTE abandons demand for seperate state (Thailand talks)
** LTTE and GOSL exchange prisoners of war
* November 2002: Wickremesinghe meets Balasingham, highest level meeting in 12 years
* Prabhakaran says that the LTTE is ready to drop its demand for independence
When it comes to delivering tangible results within a united Sri Lanka, Ranil and the United National Party have done it. I don’t think they’re the best solution, but they are leagues beyond Mahinda/JVP/JHU and the haters who snipe from the sideline without accepting the hard compromises that lead to peace.
However, if you simply want to write me off as a paraya, I understand. Round here it’s the standard excuse for lazy arguments.
The CFA, according to Gihan, was a meaningless and retrograde document. If yes, why does the President praise it in every speech? If yes, why are all the international gurantors and facilitators supporting it and asking all parties to respect it? If yes, why didn’t the investment flows increase after the ceasefire and not before? If yes, why was there no transport running between Jaffna/Kilinochchi and the South until after the CFA?
How realistic is the argument that a CFA had to have the agreement of ALL stakeholders? How did P-TOMS, a half-baked document if any, fare when that kind of consultation occurred? There is something called leadership, a quality manifested by Ranil in 2002 with the CFA and which brought concrete benefits to the people of Sri Lanka (unfortunately primarily to those in the South, not in the North because we were not clever enough to disburse the benefits quickly in the many months that preceded the first request for an interim authority).
It is the tragedy of Sri Lanka that people recall recent history so badly and remember the ancient past so well. Those who remember that six weak kings named Mahinda who ruled this land so ineffectively cannot remember the roads that were closed, starting from the bloodsoaked A9 on which so many innocent soldiers were sacrificed by a government to which Mahinda the Seventh belonged (and is responsible for by the doctrine of collective cabinet responsibility) to Bauddhaloka Mavatha and all of Galle Road in front of Temple Trees after 6 PM. How many of these fans of unitary Sri Lanka even dared to visit Trinco or even Ampara, but rushed to Arugam Bay and Nilaveli after the ceasefire? If the ceasefire had no meaning could this radical change in behavior be explained?
Unitary Sri Lanka. This is a misbegotten term that was introduced to this country by the odd couple of the grand daughter of the one of the betrayers of the Kandyan Kingdom, who signed the Kandyan Convention in Tamil (Mrs B) and the great cosmopolitan leftist Dr Colvin R de Silva in 1972. The 1948 Constitution did not include this term. And what these parlor lawyers forget is that a constitution is not what is written on paper, but what the Supreme (or Constitutional) Court says it is. In a unitary state, the central government can make decisions on all subjects unconstrained by other levels of government. Leaving aside the historic 4/3 decision on the 13th amendment, let’s look at the more recent SC decision to rule the Water Sector Reforms Bill unconstitutional on the ground that it infringed the powers of the local governments and provincial governments. Conclusion: Sri Lanka is at present not an unitary state.
So what is Mahinda the Seventh’s non-negotiable position on the ending of the war? A Constitution that concentrates even more power in the central government than the present Constitution. So let’s get this straight. A functioning and undefeated miliary force that has beaten the crap out of the Sri Lankan forces at Pooneryn, Mulativu, Elephant Pass, etc. is supposed to agree to a solution that given their people and region even less rights than they now have?
This is the assumption in the manifesto of Mahinda the Seventh. I conclude, with Indi, that MVII is indeed calling for the abandonment of the peace process. Of course those with more Nana (intelligence), Guna (Moral values) and Edithara (Courage) than us, as MVII self defines himself in his pretty boy posters are free to disagree.
Before Dr Colvin went bad, his party (the LSSP) said that we can have two languages and one country or one language and two countries (the old lefty boys said the right things especially when they were in opposition). Now the choice is a federal system with serious devolution of power (beyond the 13th Amendment) and a UNITED Sri Lanka; or joining India as two states; or becoming a Liberia/Somalia. Let’s be realistic, not romantic. At this point, that means voting to keep the red noose away from the neck of Sri Lanka.
I have no intention of attacking you at personal level…why should I? And I didn’t mean to call you “a paraya”. But if you feel like one of them I can’t help.
Coming back to CFA…as I said many, including security forces, want CFA to be reviewed/amended. Tigers have gunned down more than 400 people during last year. This includes a few dozen of army intelligent cops…so tell me what type of cease-fire we are observing…how about hundreds of child abductions by LTTE after the CFA? These activities restricted to tiger controlled areas before the CFA now happening everywhere it seems…
What can we do to prevent these tiger activities? Complain to SLMM which once recommended arranging an exclusive zone in northern waters and told international community that there is a third force in action in northern waters when LTTE attacked a Chinese vessel?
We should be grateful to the men who lead the forces in North for not surrendering to pressure exerted by Ranil to give up HSZs ( removal of HSZ is one of the conditions included in CFA). Otherwise tigers would have taken Jaffna back under their control by now…
You and your “International Institute for Strategic Studies” ( LTTE supporters have set up hundreds of organizations, institutes, which have similar names, in North America and Europe and you could refer to their web sites as well..)
Let’s talk abt a few of the milestones…
Decommissioning of arms begins – yes this is how Ranil let LTTE to gun down all its opponents…just check EPDP site you can get more info
Ranil visits Jaffna, first visit by a PM in 20+ years – great Ranil was able to visit Jaffna but niw Ananda Sangaree cannot visit his own home town…simple truth is anyone can visit not only Jaffna even Killinochi provided that you surrender to LTTE. I wonder why Ranil restricted his recent visit to Jaffa to Palali HSZ if he has so much confidence…
April 2002: Govt lifts 6 year bans on domestic flights to Jaffna – what an achievement…let’s add some more…now LTTE has their own plains and two runways ( one in Iranamadu and another in Sampur built after the CFA.) Before the CFA Sri Lankan Air force had detected and destroyed a half-built runaway in Iranamadu. But now nothing can be done to stop LTTE from building their infrastructure because CFA stop us from doing anything. Also remind yourself that even SLMM was not allowed to inspect these developments in tiger controlled area. The Sunday Times defense reporter reported many times how Ranil and his men continued to play deaf ear to updates from military intelligence on these developments…
“What real solution do you stand for, or are you waiting for the next Bodhisattva before you deign to cast your vote? The country can go in two dramatically different directions and voters have to bite the bullet and choose.
Ignorance is not the problem with our ppl. Absolute loyalty is the key issue here. UNP supporters will never ever point figure at their leadership. SLFP supporters will never criticize their leaders…I would like to call this situation as “Political Color Blindness”. I don’t want to align myself with any of these parties…that’s why o wrote
“Please don’t misunderstand…I’m not a fan of Mahinda.. I’m no fan of Ranil either…”
I wouldn’t hesitate to give credit to Ranil for things he has done for this country. For an example Education Ministry was free from corruption to a great extent during his term as the education minister. That is something I know for sure…He should be praised for that. But I regret I cannot say the same about his 2nd term as PM. His cabinet ministers were engaged in all sorts of things and he failed to take action against any of them…
Asking Mahinda “what did you do during last 37 years of his career? ” is a meaningless one if not a stupid one. Ranil served this country as PM twice. Second time he had almost all the powers of an executive PM to serve the country ( till CBK decided to strip him off). Before that he had freedom to do anything he wants under JR and Premadasa. But Mahinda never had such opportunity. SLFP is not a party lets anyone, other than its leadership, to take control over anything. CBK never allowed Mahinda to do anything…when he tried to amend the labor laws CBK not only stopped him doing that but removed him from his office as the labor minister. CBK was not in Sri Lanka when Tsunami hit our cost-line. Mahinda tried to handle the situation but CBK took everything under control as soon as she landed here.( the entire operation room was shifted from PM’s office and located in president’s office). We all know what happened after that….
Talking about investment…yes we see a growth in economy after the signing of CFA. Credit should go to Ranil ! At the same time we should ask ourselves the question “at what cost we get this economic stability?” if we should sacrifice the sovereignty of the country to keep the growth rate over 5 percent then what shall we do?
I listened to full speech of Ranil delivered to the military in Palali base soon after the CFA was signed. There he specifically said “I don’t accept homeland concept”. But as you have quoted above, his government accepted this false claim of Tamil homeland in Oslo declaration. So on what rounds I should believe his words?
CBK haling Ranil is not a surprise to me…and I don’t want to comment on her…Grab a copy of “Weekend Standard” and read the editorial !
dude… don’t even bother man… not here…
There are two roads we can head on:
1. A breakdown in the CFA and a return to war. A flashback to the economy of 2000/2001- spiralling budget deficit, falling investment, falling rupee, skyrocketing inflation. In short economic meltdown. War is an expensive luxury we can no longer afford. We fight at the cost of losing everything else. A war in the north will lead to a revolution in the South-which will be instigated and driven by the JVP. This is what they are really after, a communist state ala North Korea. Pls visit their websites and see for yourself.
We can then proudly take our place amongst the ranks of failed states and Banana Republics.
Forthose (kotakdeniya etc) who labour under the myth of a quick clean kill, military history is not on their side. The only victories in guerilla warfare have been won when the population at large was won over and they betrayed the leadership. If the population is with the guerilla’s such as in Israel, Iraq, or any other interminable conflict, a small force can keep a much superior enemy at bay. An army trying to put down a guerilla war finds itself in a position where it cannot distinguish between the civilian population and the guerilla’s. Every act of reprisal by a conventional army will hit a few civilians and swell the ranks of its opponents.
2. Build from the existing CFA into a more permanent position. This will allow economic activity, both North and South to develop and provide an alternative for frustrated people who would otherwise turn to war.
Mahinda lacks the capacity to deliver on (2). He claims he is for peace (just as CBK did so in 1994) but he simply lacks the capacity to deliver.
The CFA has brought about a relative drop in killings for 4 years. No major battles have been fought since 2001. The UPFA seized power in 2003 claiming to want to revise the CFA but did nothing-because they could not come up with anything better. While the constituent parties of the UPFA bickered over who was in charge and what policies to follow, peace was allowed to wither on the vine.
If the JVP left the government because they could not agree to the PTOMS-a means of distributing tsunami relief, what hope that they will agree to any kind of meaningful concessions?
A visit to the JVP website will tell you what their solution for the war is. It is a document written in 1985 by Rohana Wijeweera. In short, they think a communist revolution is the answer.
Ive been following this discussion upclose…
Its was very intriguing what indi has to say to some of the questions gihan has pointed out.
Since indi is very consernd about which side of the boat you are in..
I would say since there are No other alternatives I would go ahead with Ranil for this one.
Ranil has acheived some significant milestones in the peace process and He has actually contributed to the economy too.
because i can remeber in 2001 how our economy was under the disaterous SLFP government.
Chandrika is the worst leader we ever had I would say when it comes to economy and money matters..
and in second thoughts the worst overall too.
BUT all these blamings or criticism to chandrika SHOULD NOT MASK what bad Ranil has done too….
Indi :-
1 – Just tell me ( since you have completely ignored this question when gihan pointed out..)
Do you accept and Are you aware of the conditions( which includes the condition that GOSL should accept North and East provinces are the traditional homeland of Tamils) under which LTTE agreed to a federal solution (I’m talking about so called Oslo agreement).
Give me a Clear answer.. on this Did or Didnt Ranil Wicramasinghe Agreed on this?
If Not where has he stated that He does NOT agree on this?
and Indi , I would Love to Know your personal view about these Traditional Homeland Factor too…
please, I would like clear and Accurate facts.. if you can please dig in to history too.
Because I beleive your Blog is a very powerfull medium of communication of so called POSH people/ High level society in sri lanka.. Cuz I have personally seen how your work and writing and I realy admirw your work man..
But facts are facts.. I want a clear openion or a View from you..
2 – In my personal openion no matter who come in to the power, there should be A review of the “Cease Fire Agreement”.
Because we have to see ourselves and show international media,what CFA has done to the country and what we should do in order to secure this process effectively and accurately.
and Indi I think what mahinda is implyin the same thing. NOT dismantaling the CFA. but reviewing..
Your instance of mahinda saying his gonna screw up CFA is a Pretty much outdated statement..
he wasnt even named Presidential candidate then in 2002. ( your replyto gihan http://indi.ca/2005/11/war-and-peace/#comment-18431 )
He is a Dumb ass who just wanted to be the King under any circumtances. but in this case I think his stand is not what you think.
3 – Indi , please show me when n what venue , Mr Welupille Pirabaharan a.k.a Prabakaran has stated that he is leaving this homeland theories and seperate land stuff behind ??
yeah yeah , Mr Smiley face Tamil chelvum must have stated that somewhere hehe…
I love the buggers smile personally but you see there is an Old indian saying though Tigers change there places they never chage there Spots in body.. So you have to be factual my freind when it comes to puting out some bizzare and mindblowing / thrilling statement like ” Prabakaran drops the ideas of seperacism and Home land”!!
TRULY THRILLING.. But never happend my freind.. I sometimes fear Never will too.
4 – Man… I dunno whether you have been in Sri lanka in 2001..
In 2001 SL was in a total mess.. terrorism in USA has really affected LTTE Big time and truly that was the idea of there sudden ” Cease fire” initiative .. As far as i can see.
5 – man.. you are really happy about NO BOMBS situation arnt you? Of course man..
there CANT BE bombs.. hehe..here is a CEASE FIRE remember?
Funny comparing Bombs and Killings when a Cease fire is implemented !!
But hey in secod thoughts, uh.. we cant talk about Cease fire which applies to LTTE..
cuz they are free to kill and Mr Ranil W was staring at all of these too remeber..
He never did anything to stop these killings..
If he did indi PLEASE POINT ME OUT WHERE , WHEN HE HAS TOLD LTTE TO STOP KILLINGs under the CEASE FIRE!
well oh yes , I can remember his Defence minister stating that Its Not upto them to protect or save those who are getting killed by LTTE since , those who are dying are paid to do the task and the risk of getting killed is inevitable!!!
Yeah right!! WHAT IS YOUR Openion??
6 – LASTLY , Indi I would like to ask What do you think abot LRRP or Millenium city Incident ?
Our dear Mr Parakramabahu a.k.a Ranil was sooooo silent whn that happend..
No edia , human rights , civil movements said a WOrd about those brave soldiers who got killd since the lack of intelligence of Defence protocols and stretegies under Mr Ranils Government..
We as a Nation should be ashamed of how that whole incident happend.
what the hec Ranil did anyway to conceal those soldiers or Infromation which was getting leakd to public media and LTTE in general???
Its truly pathetic how he reacted in that situation..
man you didnt answern this question when it was RAISED by gihan..
Now Im asking you.. In short ..
Do you think How UNP GOVERNMET BEHAVED WAS RIGHT IN THIS INCIDENT ?
If Not , how can we trust a Guy like Ranil W this time ??
Indi , Man its not just saying bravely Which side you are In.. Its stupid to put on comments like that..
Real bravery would be to see whats realy the case in both these dumb ass politicians.
Hey I wouldnt even Dream of voting the dirty dumb ass Mahinda.. Cuz Hes just a Donkey thats what he is..
A Donk who wanna be the King anywy…
But,
By saying Oh Yes to Ranil are you implying that You agree with all the Shit he did ???
You say a third Choice is not an Realistic option!! so are you saying that we should forget all the Dumb crap sometimes Ranil did with the CFA and peace and Vote him thinking He wouldnt Do any of those stuff again??
why Not I just Screw my vote , since Both are likely Idiots anyway, though Ranil is somewhat Intelligent and vigilant than Mahinda??
Please Answer all my questions man.. DONT SKIP ANY Isuues I have Raised..
By answering these you will help me to decide which side to go for and also would give me an Insight of how you see these incidents in general..
Cheers!!
Ive been following this discussion upclose…
Its was very intriguing what indi has to say to some of the questions gihan has pointed out.
Since indi is very consernd about which side of the boat you are in..
I would say since there are No other alternatives I would go ahead with Ranil for this one.
Ranil has acheived some significant milestones in the peace process and He has actually contributed to the economy too.
because i can remeber in 2001 how our economy was under the disaterous SLFP government.
Chandrika is the worst leader we ever had I would say when it comes to economy and money matters..
and in second thoughts the worst overall too.
BUT all these blamings or criticism to chandrika SHOULD NOT MASK what bad Ranil has done too….
Indi :-
1 – Just tell me ( since you have completely ignored this question when gihan pointed out..)
Do you accept and Are you aware of the conditions( which includes the condition that GOSL should accept North and East provinces are the traditional homeland of Tamils) under which LTTE agreed to a federal solution (I’m talking about so called Oslo agreement).
Give me a Clear answer.. on this Did or Didnt Ranil Wicramasinghe Agreed on this?
If Not where has he stated that He does NOT agree on this?
and Indi , I would Love to Know your personal view about these Traditional Homeland Factor too…
please, I would like clear and Accurate facts.. if you can please dig in to history too.
Because I beleive your Blog is a very powerfull medium of communication of so called POSH people/ High level society in sri lanka.. Cuz I have personally seen how your work and writing and I realy admirw your work man..
But facts are facts.. I want a clear openion or a View from you..
2 – In my personal openion no matter who come in to the power, there should be A review of the “Cease Fire Agreement”.
Because we have to see ourselves and show international media,what CFA has done to the country and what we should do in order to secure this process effectively and accurately.
and Indi I think what mahinda is implyin the same thing. NOT dismantaling the CFA. but reviewing..
Your instance of mahinda saying his gonna screw up CFA is a Pretty much outdated statement..
he wasnt even named Presidential candidate then in 2002. ( your replyto gihan http://indi.ca/2005/11/war-and-peace/#comment-18431 )
He is a Dumb ass who just wanted to be the King under any circumtances. but in this case I think his stand is not what you think.
3 – Indi , please show me when n what venue , Mr Welupille Pirabaharan a.k.a Prabakaran has stated that he is leaving this homeland theories and seperate land stuff behind ??
yeah yeah , Mr Smiley face Tamil chelvum must have stated that somewhere hehe…
I love the buggers smile personally but you see there is an Old indian saying though Tigers change there places they never chage there Spots in body.. So you have to be factual my freind when it comes to puting out some bizzare and mindblowing / thrilling statement like ” Prabakaran drops the ideas of seperacism and Home land”!!
TRULY THRILLING.. But never happend my freind.. I sometimes fear Never will too.
4 – Man… I dunno whether you have been in Sri lanka in 2001..
In 2001 SL was in a total mess.. terrorism in USA has really affected LTTE Big time and truly that was the idea of there sudden ” Cease fire” initiative .. As far as i can see.
5 – man.. you are really happy about NO BOMBS situation arnt you? Of course man..
there CANT BE bombs.. hehe..here is a CEASE FIRE remember?
Funny comparing Bombs and Killings when a Cease fire is implemented !!
But hey in secod thoughts, uh.. we cant talk about Cease fire which applies to LTTE..
cuz they are free to kill and Mr Ranil W was staring at all of these too remeber..
He never did anything to stop these killings..
If he did indi PLEASE POINT ME OUT WHERE , WHEN HE HAS TOLD LTTE TO STOP KILLINGs under the CEASE FIRE!
well oh yes , I can remember his Defence minister stating that Its Not upto them to protect or save those who are getting killed by LTTE since , those who are dying are paid to do the task and the risk of getting killed is inevitable!!!
Yeah right!! WHAT IS YOUR Openion??
6 – LASTLY , Indi I would like to ask What do you think abot LRRP or Millenium city Incident ?
Our dear Mr Parakramabahu a.k.a Ranil was sooooo silent whn that happend..
No edia , human rights , civil movements said a WOrd about those brave soldiers who got killd since the lack of intelligence of Defence protocols and stretegies under Mr Ranils Government..
We as a Nation should be ashamed of how that whole incident happend.
what the hec Ranil did anyway to conceal those soldiers or Infromation which was getting leakd to public media and LTTE in general???
Its truly pathetic how he reacted in that situation..
man you didnt answern this question when it was RAISED by gihan..
Now Im asking you.. In short ..
Do you think How UNP GOVERNMET BEHAVED WAS RIGHT IN THIS INCIDENT ?
If Not , how can we trust a Guy like Ranil W this time ??
Indi , Man its not just saying bravely Which side you are In.. Its stupid to put on comments like that..
Real bravery would be to see whats realy the case in both these dumb ass politicians.
Hey I wouldnt even Dream of voting the dirty dumb ass Mahinda.. Cuz Hes just a Donkey thats what he is..
A Donk who wanna be the King anywy…
But,
By saying Oh Yes to Ranil are you implying that You agree with all the Shit he did ???
You say a third Choice is not an Realistic option!! so are you saying that we should forget all the Dumb crap sometimes Ranil did with the CFA and peace and Vote him thinking He wouldnt Do any of those stuff again??
why Not I just Screw my vote , since Both are likely Idiots anyway, though Ranil is somewhat Intelligent and vigilant than Mahinda??
Please Answer all my questions man.. DONT SKIP ANY Isuues I have Raised..
By answering these you will help me to decide which side to go for and also would give me an Insight of how you see these incidents in general..
Cheers!!
Ive been following this discussion upclose…
Its was very intriguing what indi has to say to some of the questions gihan has pointed out.
Since indi is very consernd about which side of the boat you are in..
I would say since there are No other alternatives I would go ahead with Ranil for this one.
Ranil has acheived some significant milestones in the peace process and He has actually contributed to the economy too.
because i can remeber in 2001 how our economy was under the disaterous SLFP government.
Chandrika is the worst leader we ever had I would say when it comes to economy and money matters..
and in second thoughts the worst overall too.
BUT all these blamings or criticism to chandrika SHOULD NOT MASK what bad Ranil has done too….
Indi :-
1 – Just tell me ( since you have completely ignored this question when gihan pointed out..)
Do you accept and Are you aware of the conditions( which includes the condition that GOSL should accept North and East provinces are the traditional homeland of Tamils) under which LTTE agreed to a federal solution (I’m talking about so called Oslo agreement).
Give me a Clear answer.. on this Did or Didnt Ranil Wicramasinghe Agreed on this?
If Not where has he stated that He does NOT agree on this?
and Indi , I would Love to Know your personal view about these Traditional Homeland Factor too…
please, I would like clear and Accurate facts.. if you can please dig in to history too.
Because I beleive your Blog is a very powerfull medium of communication of so called POSH people/ High level society in sri lanka.. Cuz I have personally seen how your work and writing and I realy admirw your work man..
But facts are facts.. I want a clear openion or a View from you..
2 – In my personal openion no matter who come in to the power, there should be A review of the “Cease Fire Agreement”.
Because we have to see ourselves and show international media,what CFA has done to the country and what we should do in order to secure this process effectively and accurately.
and Indi I think what mahinda is implyin the same thing. NOT dismantaling the CFA. but reviewing..
Your instance of mahinda saying his gonna screw up CFA is a Pretty much outdated statement..
he wasnt even named Presidential candidate then in 2002. ( your replyto gihan http://indi.ca/2005/11/war-and-peace/#comment-18431 )
He is a Dumb ass who just wanted to be the King under any circumtances. but in this case I think his stand is not what you think.
3 – Indi , please show me when n what venue , Mr Welupille Pirabaharan a.k.a Prabakaran has stated that he is leaving this homeland theories and seperate land stuff behind ??
yeah yeah , Mr Smiley face Tamil chelvum must have stated that somewhere hehe…
I love the buggers smile personally but you see there is an Old indian saying though Tigers change there places they never chage there Spots in body.. So you have to be factual my freind when it comes to puting out some bizzare and mindblowing / thrilling statement like ” Prabakaran drops the ideas of seperacism and Home land”!!
TRULY THRILLING.. But never happend my freind.. I sometimes fear Never will too.
4 – Man… I dunno whether you have been in Sri lanka in 2001..
In 2001 SL was in a total mess.. terrorism in USA has really affected LTTE Big time and truly that was the idea of there sudden ” Cease fire” initiative .. As far as i can see.
5 – man.. you are really happy about NO BOMBS situation arnt you? Of course man..
there CANT BE bombs.. hehe..here is a CEASE FIRE remember?
Funny comparing Bombs and Killings when a Cease fire is implemented !!
But hey in secod thoughts, uh.. we cant talk about Cease fire which applies to LTTE..
cuz they are free to kill and Mr Ranil W was staring at all of these too remeber..
He never did anything to stop these killings..
If he did indi PLEASE POINT ME OUT WHERE , WHEN HE HAS TOLD LTTE TO STOP KILLINGs under the CEASE FIRE!
well oh yes , I can remember his Defence minister stating that Its Not upto them to protect or save those who are getting killed by LTTE since , those who are dying are paid to do the task and the risk of getting killed is inevitable!!!
Yeah right!! WHAT IS YOUR Openion??
6 – LASTLY , Indi I would like to ask What do you think abot LRRP or Millenium city Incident ?
Our dear Mr Parakramabahu a.k.a Ranil was sooooo silent whn that happend..
No edia , human rights , civil movements said a WOrd about those brave soldiers who got killd since the lack of intelligence of Defence protocols and stretegies under Mr Ranils Government..
We as a Nation should be ashamed of how that whole incident happend.
what the hec Ranil did anyway to conceal those soldiers or Infromation which was getting leakd to public media and LTTE in general???
Its truly pathetic how he reacted in that situation..
man you didnt answern this question when it was RAISED by gihan..
Now Im asking you.. In short ..
Do you think How UNP GOVERNMET BEHAVED WAS RIGHT IN THIS INCIDENT ?
If Not , how can we trust a Guy like Ranil W this time ??
Indi , Man its not just saying bravely Which side you are In.. Its stupid to put on comments like that..
Real bravery would be to see whats realy the case in both these dumb ass politicians.
Hey I wouldnt even Dream of voting the dirty dumb ass Mahinda.. Cuz Hes just a Donkey thats what he is..
A Donk who wanna be the King anywy…
But,
By saying Oh Yes to Ranil are you implying that You agree with all the Shit he did ???
You say a third Choice is not an Realistic option!! so are you saying that we should forget all the Dumb crap sometimes Ranil did with the CFA and peace and Vote him thinking He wouldnt Do any of those stuff again??
why Not I just Screw my vote , since Both are likely Idiots anyway, though Ranil is somewhat Intelligent and vigilant than Mahinda??
Please Answer all my questions man.. DONT SKIP ANY Isuues I have Raised..
By answering these you will help me to decide which side to go for and also would give me an Insight of how you see these incidents in general..
Cheers!!
Indi…
This is what Anton Balasingham says about the so called “Oslo Declaration” which Ranil describes as one of the greatest achievement his government.
“In a critical analysis of the Norwegian facilitated peace process in his new book ‘War and Peace,’ the LTTE’s theoretician, Mr. Anton Balasingham, calls into question the concept of the ‘Oslo Declaration.’ Mr. Balasingham points out that there was no specific proclamation titled the ‘Oslo Declaration’ on which many claims of the Tigers unconditional abandonment of the right to secession – i.e. external self-determination – are based.
The Liberation Tigers’ decision to explore federalism on the principle of internal self-determination, as a solution to Sri Lanka’s ethnic conflict, does not entail an unconditional abandonment of the Tamils’ right to external self-determination and secession, Mr. Balasingham says.”
Balasingham questions ‘Oslo Declaration’ in new book – TamilNet, October 26, 2004
In my opinion, only a fool will boast of any agreement with LTTE. LTTE never respected any of the agreements they entered into with any party…
I don’t have divine powers to tell you what our jungle king Praphakaran is going to do. I only can consider his past and come to the best possible conclusion.
Some people who took part in previous peace attempts, like S L Gunasekera, have written extensively on their efforts to break a deal with LTTE and they have elaborated why they failed. These men refused to bend before the unfair, unethical demands put forwarded by LTTE. They were not guided by the false concept of “peace at any cost”…they were not ready to betray the sovereignty of the country to keep their political careers alive…Ranil is different from them…no wonder he was successful :)
A good question to ask might be what is the real cost of war and who is paying the price of war?
I don’t want to pay high direct and indirect taxes, one third of whicg goes direct into funding a war.
I don’t want to get blow up walking around on the street because there is a war on.
I don’t want the hassle of being stopped at check points in the interests of security. I don’t like having half the roads in Colombo closed because of security.
I don’t like the breakdown of law and order (30,000+ army deserters in the criminal underworld are taking crime to new heights) , the lack of opportunities (fewer jobs, lower pay) that go with a sluggish economy.
Even I don’t want these things…at the same time I don’t want an assurance from anyone that above things won’t happen, if I’m supposed to compromise the sovereignty of the country in exchange…
Any idiot knows implications of war…but what can we do if we are force to fight one? Would you let anyone to intimidate your wife/mother in front of your eyes just because you want to avoid a conflict with a thug?
“I don’t like the breakdown of law and order (30,000+ army deserters in the criminal underworld are taking crime to new heights), the lack of opportunities (fewer jobs, lower pay) that go with a sluggish economy.”
Then there is no reason for you to accept the surrender of democratic will of the nation to a group of terrorists…
P.S
During the world war II, most of the big cities in Europe were totally destroyed by Hitlor’s army. But there were few cities which avoided this situation. Those cites were under rulers who had the same ideas you have…they surrendered the people under their rule to Hitlers’ force and live continued to live a good life with all the luxuries for five years till allied forces recapture these cites and hang them…
Gihan, you should join the army. We need more people willing to fight like you.
What Mr. Point is referring to is the greatest weapon we have against the Tigers – economic growth. As people all over Sri Lanka grow more accustomed to travel and trade and a better standard of living then the LTTE has less base to recruit from. The Cold War was won in the same way, not with bombs, but with the gradual economic breakdown of a totalitarian state.
The LTTE has already been weakened by the cease fire in that years of statis have exposed internal cracks and the Karuna faction broke off. It also makes it much harder for them to resume terrorism, because they would be breaking the peace and the international community would shit on them. We have them between a rock and a hard-place, but too many Sri Lankans like Gihan get all emotional without thinking about how to actually win this war. They’ve got the fighting part down, they’re just lacking any exit strategy.
The only way you can fight a guerilla group is using guerilla tactics. You and I both know the government is not in a position to use guerilla tactic. No end can be achieved through war, unless you can win the war. And after almost 20 years, under different leadership styles if we couldn’t win it, what fragment of your imagination helps you think that we can in the next 20 years?
If any idiot knows the implications of war, why can’t these same idiots understand the fact, that if you do something when you’re forced that you are the weaker one?
Here’s another one to chew on…..do you fight the thug who intimidated your wife/mother in front of your eyes and run the risk of injuring or killing all three or do you stop the war which put that thug there in the first place???? Go figure!!!
Indi…
Im Waiting for my answers..
Indi……….
She’s waiting………..
Asnahivar, I have neither the time nor obligation to answer every question on this blog.
I don’t even have the time to read everything here, and your comment is rather lengthy. As far as I can tell questions 1 and 3 can be answered by reading the cease-fire agreement and 2 can be answered by reading’s Ranil’s Manifesto. Numbers 4 and 5 aren’t questions, as far as I can’t tell. Finally, the spacing and CAPITAL LETTERS in 6 made my head hurt and I stopped reading it.
The CFA, for all the criticism heaped on it, has brought about
1. a fragile lull in t he fighting. Low level conflicts, sporadic and scattered are taking place, but relative calm compared to the battles before.
2. Some restoration of state authority in the North & East.
Does this sound absurd? Think of what the reality of the ground situation was in 2000/2001.
Did’nt the LTTE have effective control of the North and a pretty strong grip in the East?
Wern’t they running a good part of the adminsitration, from the police, to a court system to some sort of banks as well as a number of other services that come under the purview of the central government? What they had was a de-facto state in the North and were on the road to that in the East.
The Central Governemnt maintained that they controlled the unitary state of Sri Lanka but Central Government authority was either non-existant or weak. Effective state control stopped in the Wanni jungles. The LTTE did not have a state that was recognised by anybody, but they effectively ran much of the show.
I think, apart from anything else, the CFA has helped restore some of the state’s authority in areas controlled by the LTTE.
i think ppl who criticize the cfa should clearly state what they want as a alternative and how they are going to achieve that alternative.
wow, copy and pasting other people’s articles, fart jokes, and randomly calling a Reverend a paedophile. Way to take the discussion up a notch.
“Gihan, you should join the army. We need more people willing to fight like you.”
Worth dying for the county than lying on behalf the leader I prefer…
People like you are a big mystery to me…I think, I’ve been very lucky to have a few Tamiland Muslim friends around me and you guys seem to be worried about their rights than they do…Yesterday, while having dinner, one of them commented on the same ad of JHU, you criticized in one of your postings. He said “sad but that ad depict the reality”…LTTE is already fighting for a separate sate…CWC want separate Tamil areas in upcountry (please refer to the agreement between UNP and CWC. TamilNet has it)… Hakeem wants a Mulism autonomy and Ranil accepted him (please refer to the speeches give by Ranil during his visit to East)…you guys don’t find anything wrong with their racist demands but never hesitate to label anyone criticize these demands as extremists…for me this is nothing but hypocrisy
Waita go Gihan!!!
Bravo!!!
its always the case when ever someone/sinhalese guy talks about soverinity of the country that these Free Media initiators comes up with the EXTREMESITS tag..
But funny , they cant even give a proper answer to most important questions/ Betrayals like “Millenium City incident” But they become daring and very insightfull when it comes to market UNP or whatever party their cheering for..
To me this is Filthy, Filthy Indirect Marketing , wht else..
Its a Shame they cant see whos who and its hilarious how they keep there Mouths Shut when real sepercism issues like CWC, HAKEEM, CHANDRASEKARAM & Mano ganeshans DEMANDINGS…
I wonder what our dear indi have to say about these…
p.s – oh yeas indi if you can also shareyour valuable insights on the “Millenium city” incident . I shall be greatfull. Hehe…
Hail Mr Wicramasingha!!!!
Seriously.
Gihan, ever seen a bitch trying to catch its’ own tail?
One thing shamefully we as Sri Lankans lack is direction. What do you expect, after all Vijaya landed here by mistake!! The pity is that the so called rich history of 2500 or so years has not really changed much. Talk about majority, talk about sovereignty (and…..eeerrrr…Millennium city?!!!) but do you know what to do if they were given to you on a platter with a fuckin’ Christmas bow tied around it? Name two places where a Tamil was not beaten until he bled from his ears in Colombo when Sri Lanka was a so called sovereign state. Who the fuck drove the Tamils to the point where they had no choice but to fight back? Prabhakaran did not get up one fine morning after a fucking hangover and say I am going to start a fucking separatist war!!!!! Bugger it, who the fuck cares about history anyway?
Gihan, ever seen a bitch trying to catch its’ own tail?
No…I don’t associate with them …
“Who the fuck drove the Tamils to the point where they had no choice but to fight back? “
Good Question…here is the answer…
SWRD Bandaranayke, the father of CBK & Anura B who now desperately campaign for Ranil…, J R Jayawardana… uncle of Ranil and the father of evil-political culture we experience today ( I wonder the Ranil , the prince of peace, was doing when UNP politicians were on rampage July,1983…)
Mr Ado Loku mahaththaya…
then whats your Intelligent comment about LTTE killings ha? or are they Consequences of War??
how can you be sooo lame in coming up with dese hilarious,dumb and false dude*****????
If you dont know here are the facts…
LTTE are the ones under the humble leadership of mr Velupille prabakaran aka The Goog tiger Puppy STARTED THE ETHNIC WAR if not the conflict BY KILLING 15 POLICE OFFICERS in 1983..
and heres How they attcked the First Villege comprised of Sinhala and Muslim Majority…
“Amnesty International reports how an LTTE soldier describes one of his attacks on villagers, “When recounting one attack, he described how he had held a child by the legs and bashed its head against a wall and how he enjoyed hearing the mother’s screaming.” -[12]”
this was taken from Wikipedia.. Go and Have a look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_Tigers_of_Tamil_Eelam you ignorent bastards..
This is fucking hilarious.. everything sinhalese or even Muslims do to protect their own kind is EXTREMISM!!!
whatever LTTE does or whatever LTTE blasts is OKAY!!! since its err…. Liberationsim???????
This is Pathetic…
I think its somewhat true abt that thing they say, Beware of the East Tiger Terrorism… Not the North..
beacause these comments like neglecting sovereignty are sone bullshit that these F****s Spread around..
Remember… This country belongs to all three Races.. whether they Tamil ,muslim or sinhala, it doesnt matter..
One fucking good example is Colombo City of its own…
we have had No issues among these three races for a decade.. they live in peace and harmony..
The ignortent bastards should Know that The Majority of tamils Live in East!!!
then for whom this New LTTE lands for???
Huh…
There is NO ethnic Conflict. Not NOW. There Were due to very sad incidents..
But these people has lived among each other and have understood their mistakes..
thats why they live in perfect harmont for 15 years..
No body can say there is No harmont among these races.. If they are its just a Insult for all three Races.
Now There is Only a TERRORIST issue.
TERRORISM which kills countries most needed sons and daughters and which seeks a seperate Piece of land to Riot..
an EXTREMIST and BLOOD Thursty Terrorism.. Thats whats Up.
Please Do Not Talk as you are blind to see the Truth…
For Fucks Sake…
I cant publish my post… error. Help!!!
you actually published it 4 times. Think it may be a local problem, seems to work OK from here. You may have to wait when you post. I’m using a variety of filters to keep out comment spam.
Gihan, just asked whether you’ve seen a bitch trying to catch its’ own tail, didn’t ask you whether you associate them…but I’m happy you clarified that!!!
Happy to know that we agree on something finally. It was S.W.R.D but what’s with the associations with Ranil stuff??? “Father of CBK & Anura B who now desperately campaign for Ranil…, J R Jayawardana… uncle of Ranilâ€. Then what about Mahi(nda)s’ father who actually supported SWRD & Sirimavo? Dude, if you are going to slander Ranil, please, for the love of Christ have something that at least sticks!!!
And Thaththa, it is apparent that you have the memory span of a goldfish. Never did I say that what the LTTE is doing is right. So here on, like a good little boy try to understand the argument before you post oki?
On Prabhakarans’ humble leadership, suggest you read “Inside an Elusive Mind : Prabhakaran: The First Profile of the World’s Most Ruthless Guerrilla Leader/M.R. Narayan Swamy. Then we shall discuss on Prabhakarans leadership style.
YES, there is a difference between Sinhalalese protecting what’s theirs’ and Tamils’ protecting what’s’ theirs’. The sad part is that dumb fucks like you don’t understand it. How have we as the majority “protected our own� By killing, looting and rapeing (1983)? As the majority we have a responsibility towards the minorities the day you understand this, you will never want to belong to an ethnic majority again coz the social burden is too fucking much.
“There is NO ethnic Conflict. Not NOW. There Were due to very sad incidents..
But these people has lived among each other and have understood their mistakes..
thats why they live in perfect harmont for 15 years..†…….eeeerrrr……I assume that you are talking about Mauritius and not Sri Lanka.
WHO’S YOUR DADDY NOW????
Indi, think this guy has a crush on you.
3PO is obsessed with this Gomis character, and calling everybody a pedophile. He’s spamming the blog with repeat comments (same comment on multiple posts) and I don’t have time to moderate them. I’ve just set my Spam Filter to moderate him automatically. It’s way off topic and if he wants to slander people he can feel free, on his own blog.
CFA will destroy the country- TULF Leader
http://www.theacademic.org/
Following is a part of the articles on media briefing of leftist parties held yesterday…(sri lankan elections). This what Prof. Tissa Vitharana had to say
“The other point is if one were to look at the entire history of the UNP it has always been against minorities. In 1949 it was the UNP that deprived the plantation workers of Indian origin of their civic rights and made them stateless people.
“It was in 1956 that S. W. R. D. Bandaranaike after he came to power and sought to work out a solution with Federal Party leader S. J. V. Chelvanayagam that people in the UNP canvassed out a racist campaign to prevent that agreement being reached so that he had to throw it away.
“Similarly if you look at 1977, UNP government from 1977, 79, 81 it attacked the Tamil people particularly the plantation people as well as those in the towns.
“In 1983 it was so bad that we had the Black July period which led to the break-out of war.
“Then once again when President Chandrika Kumaratunga presented the devolution package to Parliament in 2000, the UNP tore apart the draft and burnt it. That is the history of the UNP.
“If one were to analyse the 2001-2004 period the conditions were created whereby racial and even religious antagonism was increased. The UNP permitted religious organisations to go ahead and carry out conversions against the wishes of the people, which resulted in attacks on certain religious places of worship. ”
And following is a part of the letter sent to Ranil as an reply to a letter sent to Dr. Michael Fernando, Lecturer, Aesthetic Studies Faculty,University of Peradeniya
“I experienced the atmosphere that prevailed then not as a young man but as an adult. I will never forget the terrifying events I faced then. The government that came to power in 1977 was baptized with blood and fire. Your government commenced operations by attacking not only political rivals but also innocent Tamils…. The hoodlums led by as minister of your government criminally sabotaged District Development Council elections in Jaffna.
Your cabinet colleagues accompanied by gangs of thugs reached Jaffna by a special train from the North Western Province (Wayamba) and set fire to the priceless Jaffna Library after beating innocent Tamil civilians. A local poet described this crime as “murdering the Buddha.â€
In 1983 May some of your cabinet colleagues launched another anti-Tamil operation at the Peradeniya University. All Tamil students and lecturers were assaulted and chased away from the campus grounds. Your party friends in Peradeniya burnt the report of the Commission of Inquiry into this incident as it contained the names of the culprits.
After these sporadic incidents your government launched the full-scale anti-Tamil operation of July 1983. Since my vocabulary is not rich enough to describe this massacre and since this incident brought the entire nation into international disrepute, I need not comment on this any further. Not stopping there, the UNP made the very same crime – its own creation – an excuse to ban the JVP and imprison other leftwing leaders, thereby paving the way for an unprecedented reign of terror in the country.
( for the full article http://www.asiantribune.com/show_news.php?id=16108)
These two provide you a detailed answer to your question – ““Who the fuck drove the Tamils to the point where they had no choice but to fight back? “
I regret that I don’t have enough time to complete a lengthy reply to you…(I’m down with work/studies)
But let me comment on your last comment…the reason why I mentioned SWRD is he politicized the aspirations of the Sinhala Buddhists and that lead minority communities to see them as a force against them…The Tamil separatist movement had already begun its operation long before SWRD became an influential figure…
The roots of this movements, however, can be traced back to the first decade of the 20th century…(Please refer to Communal Politics ( Jane Russel ), A history of Sri Lanka ( K M D Silva), Major Currents in Sri Lankan History ( G C Mendis) The political biography of Chelwanayagam ( A J Wilson) ) …Some of the measures taken by SWRD helped a lot the leaders of this Tamil separatist movement to drag the common Tamil people in an ugly confict…(and Sir John Kothalawala, the UNP candidate defeated in that decisive election, had promised to implement the same measure if he elected)
J R should be blamed for blocking the steps taken to resolve the issue by his opponents (for the sake of power) and violating every principle of democratic governing…he forced the moderate Tamils to take refuge in the extremist camp…and that’s why Ranil is doing now…while marginalizing the Tamils leaders already in the democratic stream he appease Tiger and their proxies…
The Democratic Party (albeit split) supported slavery in the US. Funny how things change.
We’re not voting for JR or history here, the choice is Ranil or Mahinda.
Sri Lanka is in a war that it cannot win outright or quickly. It is a long drawn out process, skirmishes started in the early 1970′s (not 1983) we are talking 30 years of fighting upto the CFA, expect another 30+ if we go back to war.
To fight on means money, big money.
We have a budget deficit that is too large, public borrowings that are too large to afford it. This is what happened in 1999/2000 when the government last went to war:
1. Military expenditure went from Rs.52bn to Rs.83bn
2. Public borrowings went upto 100% of GDP.
3. Budget deficit went to about 9-10%
4. Foreign currentcy reserves dropped to 3 weeks imports.
5. Stability of the the rupee could not be maintained, the currency dropped from Rs.70=US$ to Rs. 93.
6. Economic growth became negative 1.5%.
Luckily, before things could get any worse the government fell.
We are runningtoday because of the repair work done by the UNP (starting with the CFA) and the flow of funds followingthe tsunami. The CFA brought about a resurgence in confidence, tourism and investment.
Because the CFA has held, investment has continued, albeit at a slower pace. Agricultural production is up significantly-(40% in paddyI believe) because there is production in th e N&E-these are the things (along with expansion in the liberalised sectors – telecoms are growing at 13%+) that are keeping GDP up.
There can be no security without economic security. Economic collapse can be catastrophic and lead to anarchy inthe South, not onlly would the North & East be lost but the South would hardly qualify as a Nation State either. In other words, a perfect environment for revolution, which is what the JVP really wants.
Mahinda, completely ignorant of economics, is hoping to grab power hanging on the tail of the JVP, not realising that he is playing straight into their hands.
If Mahinda wins he will take us to where Zimbabwe is now- the second most prosperous country in Africa at independence in 1980, a food exporter to the continent now facing starvation and collapse.
The CFA by the UNP has only lead to killings of Tamils. What about that?
all those who criticize the cfa please say what’s your alternative and how you are going to achieve that alternative.
i have asked that here before see above so far no response.
the silly sinhala buddhists extremest losers here seem to think that to engage in an argument means to libel others with non existent accusations. if you think i am wrong to accuse you of extremism i will stop, but if you ppl are not extremists that will make all sinhala buddhists silly losers like you.
as opposed to you, Mr. “one who believes in free will” , who thinks anyone with a different opinion is an extremist loser???… hmmm…
Where is the evidence that the ceasefire has weakened the LTTE, could you please point me towards some news items that corroborate this?
From what I’ve read it appears the LTTE has managed to infiltrate Colombo, assassinate its rivals and opponents with impunity, strengthen its parallel administration AND acquire an air wing, not exactly signs of weakness.
Prabha is unlikely to choose a negotiated settlement simply because that would mean his end as a leader and the absolute power he enjoys now. In the last 20 years of the conflict, our leaders have come and gone, but Prabha has remained constant, and he is unlikely to give that up.
What would probably work is continuing to marginalize the LTTE by capturing the hearts and minds of the Tamil population of the N/E. Whether that is possible with the quality of governance either of the two presidential candidates offers is another question. This is also made more difficult by the Diaspora and those in Sri Lanka who think to sing the praises of the LTTE is the ‘in thing’ to do now.
In the end it would probably take a military solution to finish Prabha and his cohorts off simply because as Chamberlain discovered it is impossible to negotiate with evil. Hopefully by the time that becomes necessary the LTTE would have become such a marginalized outfit, the common Tamil, Sinhala and Muslim people in the N/E would not have to suffer.
The main example is Karuna and the LTTE’s loss of control in the East. In times of peace the internal fissures within the LTTE opened and they lost like half their territory.
You can use the Nazi example, but the Soviet one might be more relevant. In that case the West basically smoked out the Communists by raising living conditions until the system collapsed.
I still find it unclear how a military solution is going to work given that the Sri Lankan army was getting its ass kicked. As Jack Point says above,
daham didn’t you leave the same comment on my blog on 11th ?
i won’t do a cut and paste job like you, so you may read my reply if yo want there.
Dude, your IP is Australian, you’re surrounded by Christians – Errr are you sure , secular fort holding thanks.
Overhere most of our bigots come from queensland, it’s Pauline Hanson land.
BTW, you can always lodge a complaint here or here. I’ll be an interesting test of the laws. Though as a social liberal I discourage it.
yeah, he’s from Milton, Queensland. Weird. Not to pick on Australia though.
i said the silly sinhala buddhists extremest losers here seem to think that to engage in an argument means to libel others with non existent accusations.- so if that makes me bigot i am a bigot.
Sinhala Christian extremists like you, sittingnut, are the real losers i am not a christian btw. anyway if sinhala christians are the losers why be so afraid of them? anybody reading comments by you or others like you would have concluded that sri lanka is run by sinhala christians.
Thanks for that lame comment, bigot.
So lame sittingnut
man, just my luck, that you didn’t miss me in this rather crowded thread! :-)
first, i do not think anyone with a different opinion is an extremist loser . for instance i don’t think you are one(so far :-)).
second, perhaps you missed the words ‘silly sinhala buddhists’ and ‘here’ in my comment qualifying ‘ extremist losers’.
third, some of those ppl i was referring to posted comments that were deleted. so i think you lack the proper context.
It was to help humanity that the Buddha founded the Order. He intended it to be a voluntary association of dedicated persons who would devote themselves to the task of making the process of wayfaring through life easier for such among their fellow beings as were weak, helpless and stricken. It is another matter that the order never quite became what it was meant to be. The Bhikkhus (homeless ones) very soon became Priests, living in temples built like palaces. Today the lazy and ceremonious Church, split into Nikayas based on caste divisions, maintains its place in society, not by tendering to the sick, the poor and the helpless but by placing a Messianic halo above the Buddha-myth, and by chanting faint Pali gathas to the cold, fruitless moon – J.R. Jayawardene, Sri Lanka’s President 1977-1987, A Life of Service 1942
All you dumb ass mother fuckers are misled by the so called Bhikkus of these days. Anybody knowing enough about what Buddha preached will figure out that Buddhism will be one of the earliest faiths to be wiped off. That’s cos it was never meant to be a religion. I just hope that uneducated pieces of horse-shit like you figure out the difference between what real Buddhism is and what power-hungry bhikkus preach before it’s too late.
Indi..
Im intruiged by the way you find out about the IP adress.
I would like to know how do you do it…
Thanks!
all this controversy seem to drive up the traffic here. over 1000 visitor in each of the last two days! (while the kottu’s data has not changed, mind you)
hashir you(and anybody) can check the stats and ip addresses (of last 100 visitors) by clicking the stat link above.
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