The State vs Capital

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These is a communist poster from China. They also lend themselves suprisingly well to sexual innuendo. Let’s pretend that the one on the left is a State solution, and the right is Capital (free market, democracy). I don’t think they meant it that way.

I am bored with the Private Universities thing, especially since I’ve seen exactly zero evidence from the other side. I suspect that people are more interested in the fighting and name-calling than the issues, but I’d like to explore what I see as the fundamental difference between the two sides:

I don’t believe in the government and I don’t believe in the tooth fairy. I believe in people, hard work, and choice. (indi.ca)

I do believe in the Government. I don’t believe in the parties who come and go, but I believe that it is vital for this country that the Government hold onto the most basic of public services. (Morquendi)

I’m going to go ahead and decidedly say that Higher Education isn’t a basic service (hence higher). Primary and Secondary fine, but higher education is literally that. There are no countries that provide universal Higher Education, and few that attempt it. I think the more central issue was brought up by ivap: “On the grey matter, does Indi see education as a means out of poverty for the poor?” The question isn’t about providing running water, this is about creating a more equal society. And yes, I do think education is a way out. I just believe in a fundamentally different way out. I believe in a Capitalist solution, and Morquendi et al believe in the State.

This is one of a 3 or 4 part series on the State vs Capitalism. I’m going to use Marx to structure this. That means that theoretical Communism is the goal state. I don’t agree with that completely, but if you’ll read below, pure communism is basically the equality we all want in the educational system. There are two ways to this equality, one is the Marxist stages of development – progressing through Capitalism. The other way is the Cold War experiment of making equality using the power of the State. I’m going to argue that the State solution has failed and will fail, and that Capitalism is the only way to equality. In short, this is a Marxist argument for Capitalism.

This Private Universities thing, boring as it may have become, is just one battle in a greater war. The Cold War. The Commie King is down, but its Third World Pawns are still running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Including here, in Sri Lanka. Still, from China to India they are gradually caving to Capitalism, and that’s good. Just to fuck with you I’ll argue this from a Marxist point of view.

My opponents in the Private Universities debate seem to operate from a core belief that the State can (and should) pull equality out of its ass. I (and Marx) argue that you can’t have equality without first going through the birthing pains of Capitalism. Mao, Pol Pot, and Kim Il Sung tried to pull equality out of their fat asses, but all they got was shit. No offense, but that’s all the free lunchers have to offer as well.

The Third World Experiment

In Sri Lanka and all over the Third World, you see the vestiges of State Communism. The particularly invasive strain that affected the Third World was the idea that the State can pull feudal countries, kicking and screaming, into a utopia of equality. People from China to India to Sri Lanka believed that the State could provide them with equality and that they could completely avoid the Capitalist stage of development. The State solution has been tried, and it has failed in the most bloody and destructive way possible.

The metaphor that I find useful for understanding the Cold War is the whole ‘worlds’ thing. Wikipedia has a good article on what they actually mean, and they do mean something. The terms First, Second, and Third World refer directly to the Cold War and divide the world along those lines. The First World is America, the Second World was the USSR and the Third World is the global south. The larger idealogical war was between the USSR and America, but the blood was spilled in the Third World. The Cold War was kinda of a misnomer cause the napalm in Vietnam and Korea was fucking hot.

Communism

To start, it helps to look at the goal state. In its purely theoretical form communism is,

As a theoretical social and economic system, communism would be a type of egalitarian society with no state, no privately owned means of production and no social class. In communism, all property is owned by the community as a whole, and all people have equal social and economic status. Theoretically, human need or advancement is not left unsatisfied because of poverty, and is rather solved through distribution of property as needed. This is thus often the system proposed to solve the problem of the poverty cycle. (Wikipedia)

That’s a good idea, I have no particular beef with that. Unfortunately, ‘distributing property as needed’ requires significant industrial and information infrastructure. When I say significant, I mean insane. When I say insane, I mean wait for Jesus. Modern computing paradigms can’t even process the equitable production and distribution within a small company, let alone a country. We need quantum or DNA computing and AI to even begin to think of managing such a task, not to mention the industrial capacity required. Marx wasn’t a dumbass and he anticipated that. Hence the stages. Das Kapital reads like source code, so here’s Wikipedia again:

Among other things, Marxism proposes the materialist conception of history; there are stages of economic development: slavery, feudalism, capitalism, and communism. These stages are advanced through a dialectical process, progressing society as history progresses. This progress is driven by class struggle. Communism is the final form of class society as it results in one class, or conversely, no classes, as those divisions cannot exist if only one exists (Wikipedia, Marxism)

Note that nowhere in there does Marx say “Go out and kill people and make things equal NOW!” He simply describes an orderly progression of history, where one stage emerges out of the other. This allows time for a succession of douchebags to build the infrastructure that can support a free and ‘equal’ society. Unfortunately, what most people heard was “Go out and kill people and make things equal NOW!”

State Communism (Delusional Feudalism)

I’ll reference Mao and not Lenin or Stalin cause I’d like to focus on Asia here. This is a paraphrase of Mao Tse-Tung’s speech On New Democracy, the blueprint for Ho Chi Minh’s Vietnam and Khmer Rouge Cambodia (though they didn’t read much). It is basically a blueprint for revolution in a colonial state. The source is the book ‘Pol Pot’ by Philip Short, author of ‘Mao: A Life’.

Mao argued that revolution in colonies, or semi-colonial semi-feudal states, had to take place in two stages: first, a ‘democratic revolution’, carried out by an alliance of different classes – the peasants, who provided the main force, the workers and elements of the bourgeoisie; and only afterwards a ‘socialist revolution’. The two were fundamentally different and could not be collapsed into one.

The 1st stage would create ‘a state under the joint dictatorship of all the revolutionary classes’; the 2nd, a socialist state under ‘the dicatorship of the proleteriat’. In a world where socialism had become the dominant trend, it was no longer necessary, Mao said, to pass through the phase of bourgeois capitalism, as Marx had assumed. Instead the transition could be accomplished through the establishment of ‘a new democratic republic’, which would nationalise banks and major industrial and commercial enterprises… For students from colonised nations, this was an exhilarating prospect. It meant that there was a path to socialism which could elide [real word] western-style capitalism.

That’s an interesting idea, that you can completely skip a stage. Mao was proposing that a dictatorship could kick a country straight out of feudalism into communism. Now, if you refer back to the definition of communism there is no state. Communism is a stateless, classless society. What Mao (among others) proposed was a Proleteriat State. You have a state, and it’s ruled (in name) by one class. That is actually about as far from Communism as you can get. I think a better term would be ‘Delusional Feudalism’, but most people call this a Communist State. If you even skim Das Kapital it makes no fucking sense, but let’s see how that went… [to be continued]

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10 Comments »

2005-04-01 19:21:20

Nice work, now it’s getting interesting. Looking forward to the rest of it. Enjoy

 
2005-04-04 00:26:59

Are you calling me a Marxist? I’m flattered. You can talk about models and statistics and Marxism and Capitalism and lots of other things but you really have no clue about Sri Lanka or Sri Lankans or how things work here. I forgive you because you’ve never had the opportunity to get to know the ‘system’ here. For all of us here it’s a lived experience. We have grown up with the system and have a instinctive understanding of what means what. Not an academic interest like yours. Capitalism or Marxism or any other Ism will not work in Sri Lanka (As they have not worked in other countries. Everyone successful has found some middle ground). We’ve been struggling for many years to find that middle ground, and our own working system.

You, sadly, have not been a part of this process. So while your interest in Sri Lankan politics is encouraging, your assumption that you understand Sri Lanka or Sri Lankan politics is scary.

You could learn a lot about Marxism as a lived experience and Sri Lankan politics from your grandfather (who I think is a really cool guy).

 
2005-04-04 01:37:12

Morq seems to counter argument with personal attacks instinctively. In this case my arguments are invalid simply because I am me. He doesn’t offer any argument on points, Morquendi is simply right because he is Morquendi. To quote from a prior post on the subject:

“Morquendi has deemed all research on this topic “slanted” which leave us with… opinion. People with who don’t agree with Morquendi are “elitist assholes” which leaves us with… Morquendi’s opinion.”

I believe that there is a world beyond our immediate senses, and that we can use science, reason, and meditation to see the deeper reality. Morquendi believes that his opinion needs no justification, and he writes off the tools of reason and criticism as irrelevant. L’Etat c’est Morquendi.

 
2005-04-04 20:30:32

[...] homepage (Flash) here. I’ve been doing some reading on Pol Pot to continue the State Vs. Capital thing, but I actually had something of a personal life this weekend and I̵ [...]

 
Chandare
2005-04-04 21:49:06

Indi,
That’s Morquedi’s signature .If you cannot make a coherant argument attack the guy personaly (or simply start off attacking the guy before coming to any kind of argument).
The only other guy who used this kind of tactic(in Sri Lankan politics)was Rohana Wijeweera.He perfected the this art.It was called “Flat Niyaya” or “Flat Theory”(Flat in the sense that you destroy or flatten everything) .It was used in Universities (70s and 80s) and against his enemies in his own party(ask Victor Ivan,Sunanada Despariya and the rest of the alumni) ,SLFP,Comminist Party,Samasamaja Party and the rest of the “old” left effectively.
I have read some stuff in indi.ca.You understand the country better than most of the people.I’m impressed.I don’t think a guy who spent his childhood playing x-box and idealizes Tolkien(which is as un-Sri Lanakan as it can be!) could tell you that you don’t know the “system” here!

 
Divakar
2005-04-04 21:50:51

Morquendi, i have been following the edu debate for a while, and other than hot air you haven’t produced much evidence to support any of your opinions. Either you are too lazy to take the trouble of researching or you just havent learnt how to conduct a reasoned debate. I sincerely hope you are not an indictment of the Sri Lankan education system. Don’t take it too hard mate, it can still be remedied–pick up a book sometime and read. Cheers!

divakar

 
Chandare
2005-04-04 22:09:23

I have to add one thing to my earlier post.I think Morquendi will be OK when he grows up.He just needs to learn how to make an argument like an adult.thats all.

 
2005-04-05 11:33:45

[...] self, cause I’m not. I’ve been doing some reading on Pol Pot to continue the State Vs. Capital thing, but I actually had something of a personal life this weekend and I̵ [...]

 
2005-04-23 15:53:34

[...] have a instinctive understanding of what means what. Not an academic interest like yours. (Comment) This course is a detailed study of ignorance. It starts from the assumption that Sri [...]

 
2005-10-14 21:16:59

[...] You can talk about models and statistics and Marxism and Capitalism and lots of other things but you really have no clue about Sri Lanka or Sri Lankans or how things work here. I forgive you because you’ve never had the opportunity to get to know the ‘system’ here. For all of us here it’s a lived experience. We have grown up with the system and have a instinctive understanding of what means what. (Cold War Battle) [...]

 
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